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[The_Mather1]

Thank you.

 

I now start construction of five manufactoring stations above both Dakara and Chulak, they will be equipped with rings, five medium-sized PEP turrets and shields, they are also fitted to take ZPMs as an alternate powersource to their naquadah-enchanced nuclear generators.

[Wisp]

My ships take 50K each

 

So? If I had a ship that cost 100k it doesn't mean I should have huge production capabilities.

 

No, but it would mean that you would build stations which could build at that rate. For example you would not open a shop selling 500 meter long tapestries if your production capacity was 1 old lady with some knitting needles. The stations are designed to be the focal point of the whole planet's industrial might. Like Kent is the focal point of the whole of the Systems industrial might.

The entire Tefarn system is going to production, and it always has. The only reason I colonized was to make a ship production juggernaut system. My point was though that if I wanted to build a huge ship, it wouldn't mean I automatically have huge manufacturing capacities.

 

I am sacrificing 200K to start the project.

 

In order to get up to the point where you'd get that much you'd probably need to sacrifice more than that. Where is that 200k coming from anyway? What's your current points per turn?

 

Not really...For instance to build a machine, or rather the pieces for a machine, takes much less time and effort than if you tried to make a machine from scratch...

Anyway current output is 50K per turn.

That's ridiculous. The current production of everyone else combined is probably less than 50k. 50k per turn is 25 ultra battleships.

I am scarfing two planets,

 

And? Thousands of millions of tons of resources won't get it done much faster.

 

Yes... that makes perfect sense. I see now how me having the resources, the manpower and the time would lead to me not producing anything.

Look. Quark Fusion kicks out massive amounts of Strange Matter in accordance with the laws of Thermodynamics. This strange matter is harnessed and turned into something useful, Strange Tantalum in molds. So producing things made from Strange Tantalum is relatively straight forwards.

Again, you're missing my point. Piling billions of tons of resources won't make something go faster past a certain point. A worker wouldn't be able to nail one board to another any faster if he had a thousand more boards behind him than if he had none.

 

My empire is spread over 4 systems

 

So? Mine is over 4 as well. Dusty's is over like 14.

I have just over 12 million people working on the 20 stations. Given that they are doing relatively little else, except building homes and such, which should be largely finished by now, (I think that 105,120,000,000 man hours(52,560,000,000 with sleep, eating and ect) is enough to build 20 stations)

The 40m people or so in the Tefarn system all are doing something related to ship production. We need to all follow the same guidelines for production here, that's the entire point of the PP system.

 

Stations only produce 3K each until 12 days later.

 

3k over what time period? Even if it was over 12 years that's still too much, each standard station produces 200 per year.

 

No...Your stations produce 200 per year. Mine produce a decent amount(3K per year). They are tooled to produce 1 type of ship and 2 types of lasers... They are focal points for the entire planet's output. Kent is a focal point for the entire systems output.

200 per year is already a bit excessive, in my opinion. But the entire point of the PP system is so that we are all following the same guidelines, so that way people's ship production is reasonable, and not just randomly made up. You can't just make each of your stations worth 15 times more than everyone else's. The basis of the point system is:

Station=200 points/year

New station=4000 points to build.

With a few exceptions (ie: Kent could be worth more, but not by an outrageous amount)

 

 

I am perfectly happy to scale the numbers down because it makes no difference to me. 250 PP and each Caravel costs 50 PP means exactly the same to me...

Here's what matters to me: What is each Caravel really worth? Right now, by putting them at 50k each, that's saying they are equal to 25 ultra battleships in combat.

[archimage_a]

Well they effectively are, since they stop almost all weapons being fired. They can't blow stuff up but they can make it impossible for other people to blow stuff up. After the 12th this will also apply to lasers so they will be stalemate ships.

[Wisp]

How would they stop lasers? And I'm pretty sure 25 ultra battleships firing at full would easily get by one Caravel's defenses, I don't see how it could stop thousands of railguns, missiles, lasers, and other weapons all firing at once.

[Retech]

I was just wondering. Couldn't someone just go around a caravel? It seems to me that if it can't do anything, then you might as well fly around it.

 

Ten production stations (more like assembly stations) have been completed on New Erikio. They combine parts together that have been created at other factories. The good thing is that they do not require as much research as other stations. However, the downside is that they only produce 100 PP a year (since they are on land) and they cannot construct super battleships, as they are to large to lift into orbit.

 

That will be the extent of my production stations, as it was a hurried project and my economy probaly couldn't keep producing so many production stations at such a rate. These production stations will be concentrating on creating parts for a space production system (a normal one). The first space production station will be completed on the 6th of December.

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How would they stop lasers? And I'm pretty sure 25 ultra battleships firing at full would easily get by one Caravel's defenses, I don't see how it could stop thousands of railguns, missiles, lasers, and other weapons all firing at once.

Sand Casters. How many lasers it can stop depends on my research(since its a new/old concept to me(Known about for ages but never looked into)

As long as the number of projectiles does not exceed 1,500 per three second interval a caravel can dispatch 99% of them(Obviously this is at capacity so there will be some misses, anything under 1,400 is pretty much definitely gonna get stopped.)

Since Ross gave me a crash course in AI all my ships have threat management software so anything that does get though will be the weakest possible thing.

 

I was just wondering. Couldn't someone just go around a caravel? It seems to me that if it can't do anything, then you might as well fly around it.

Indeed you could. Since I have had to split into Fighter and Capital classes, rather than just Caravels with their 1 big laser or 1500 PDLs my fleet needs a little bit of a rethink, but once I produce some more Capital classes they will just work in tandem under the DOCKING procedure.

[Wisp]

How would they stop lasers? And I'm pretty sure 25 ultra battleships firing at full would easily get by one Caravel's defenses, I don't see how it could stop thousands of railguns, missiles, lasers, and other weapons all firing at once.

Sand Casters. How many lasers it can stop depends on my research(since its a new/old concept to me(Known about for ages but never looked into)

As long as the number of projectiles does not exceed 1,500 per three second interval a caravel can dispatch 99% of them(Obviously this is at capacity so there will be some misses, anything under 1,400 is pretty much definitely gonna get stopped.)

Since Ross gave me a crash course in AI all my ships have threat management software so anything that does get though will be the weakest possible thing.

 

I was just wondering. Couldn't someone just go around a caravel? It seems to me that if it can't do anything, then you might as well fly around it.

Indeed you could. Since I have had to split into Fighter and Capital classes, rather than just Caravels with their 1 big laser or 1500 PDLs my fleet needs a little bit of a rethink, but once I produce some more Capital classes they will just work in tandem under the DOCKING procedure.

Can you explain the sand casting thing?

[Retech]

I'm pretty sure my super battleships could fire upwards of 1,500 projectiles every 3 seconds. Unfortunately, they're matter, so they can't affect it. :)

 

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Dusty, I am keeping track of the total amount of material I get, then have some of it shipped to you. Makes it easier for me. :)

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http://traveller.wikia.com/wiki/Sandcaster

http://members.cox.net/carlino/sandcaster.htm

 

In simplest terms it throws sand at the laser beams, meaning only the initial bolt (if any) gets though, the rest is consumed in converting the sand to glass and then diffusing the remaining energy though the glass, which shatters into billions of tiny pieces and serve no other purpose.

 

Obviously I am running into the light-speed problem hence why I am still looking into researching it.

 

I'm pretty sure my super battleships could fire upwards of 1,500 projectiles every 3 seconds.

Possibly. But that would be quite matter intensive. Since you are looking at about 1 Kg per projectile, at least...So effectively firing a tonne and a half of matter at me.

[Retech]

My missles (the Class Z ones) work sorta in the same fashion. Except that instead of sand, it's pieces of iridium coating flying everywhere and bursting into flame. :thumbsup:

 

No light speed problem as the coating bursts into flame naturally.

[Nero]

Dusty, I'd like to borrow (I'd pay you of course) 6 of your mining ships (the ones that have the electromagnets for moving asteroids) to move Ogrekus into the orbit of Harakkis.

As long as you don't tamper with the devices sure.

[Wisp]

Perhaps you throw up a cloud of sand or whatever before entering combat. Course, that would also mess up your lasers and tracking devices. I dunno.

 

Oh, any more news about the aliens?

[Retech]

Well they're probaly going to destroy my homeplanet. :(

 

 

At least I had evacuated some of the people. Do you think a battlestation and a small fleet can stop them?

[Nero]

Lol no

[archimage_a]

Do you think a battlestation and a small fleet can stop them?

As a player: No.

As a moderator: Can't say.

 

Perhaps you throw up a cloud of sand or whatever before entering combat. Course, that would also mess up your lasers and tracking devices. I dunno.

Nah, I shall work on it.

 

Oh, any more news about the aliens?

Still heading towards Sephar. Still heading towards Alpha Centuri and Still heading to Reccea Demicus.

No one has made contact with them except the System of Free Worlds, The Litch, Brazil and Kirby(Sorry, not sure on the race)

[Retech]

Can you tell us about the history of their race? I think it would add more depth to the RPG element of this game. :thumbsup:

[archimage_a]

If you want to find out their history then you need to roleplay to discover it. Its not like you can just go into your local library and find out what they are.

[Wisp]

Only thing I'm worried about is Alpha Centauri's close proximity to earth.

 

My current fleet at Alpha Centauri is:

50 Escorts

3 Ultra Heavy

6 Super Heavy

17 Heavy Battleships

5 Battleships

10,000 Fighters (Formerly 5,000 but when Fleet 2 left with refugees the fighters were transferred to Fleet 3)

[Retech]

I request that I have 10 of the caravels that you leased to me. You know that I rightfully paid for them, and I allowed you to man your caravels as it was a matter of security to you. You have used it against me, and I request that you lease them once again.

[archimage_a]

We are at peace with the Urk-Orz(kind of...they arn't attacking me :grin: ). Why would I threaten that?

[Retech]

Well I'm sure the Urz wouldn't mind if you said so. :)

[archimage_a]

Probably, but why take the chance...I have nothing to lose if you disappear. :rolleyes:

[Wisp]

Well, we're working on developing a weapon specifically designed for combating the ork-utz. More info soon.

[Retech]

You have nothing to lose if I disappear, but you do have something to gain if you command the Urz-Ork to attack me.

[archimage_a]

Yes. An enemy.

Also to note is that, although almost undetectable given the angle, it looks like a separate fleet(from the fleet heading to Alpha Centuri) is heading to Sinabo.