Controlled XP

[Toomuchclass]

Does controlled xp take longer?

 

I know this is just a basic question, but I was wondering if I should do controlled or just train each level by itself.

[mughinn]

IMO its longer training, if you do the maths you lose 0.1 xp per hit(not a lot though)

[tintdawg]

but over time that adds up, you are better off training each one separately

[Toomuchclass]

Okay. That answers my question.

 

Thanks you two.

[Shepherdman7]

I totally disagree with your first two responders. I'd train whip on controlled all the way. That's what I'm doing now (I didn't at first).

 

 

 

The ability to use a defender with the whip makes this the best.

[TubbyMcFee]

I totally disagree with your first two responders. I'd train whip on controlled all the way. That's what I'm doing now (I didn't at first).

 

 

 

The ability to use a defender with the whip makes this the best.

 

 

 

Agreed. That's what i do. Not only will your skills level at a more general time with eachother, but the whip and rune def combo is great!

[Kiriyama]

You take more time with controlled overall.

 

 

 

For every 10 points of damage, you lose 1exp.

 

 

 

Saradomin Sword is a good strength training weapon, and is accurate enough to get almost the same rate as Whip + Defender.

 

 

 

EDIT: If we take it as roughly 40m exp for 99 Attack/Str/Def then by using controlled, you've lose about 1m exp, correct?

[Shepherdman7]

You take more time with controlled overall.

 

 

 

For every 10 points of damage, you lose 1exp.

 

 

 

Saradomin Sword is a good strength training weapon, and is accurate enough to get almost the same rate as Whip + Defender.

 

 

 

EDIT: If we take it as roughly 40m exp for 99 Attack/Str/Def then by using controlled, you've lose about 1m exp, correct?

 

Concerning the edit, you also have to take into account that the person will have hit more often and harder with the defender, though, more than making up for 1 mill exp...

[Tafkan]

Saradomin Sword is a good strength training weapon, and is accurate enough to get almost the same rate as Whip + Defender.

 

But Saradomin Sword is 8.5M while whip+defender is just 2.6 and a few hours or killing cyclopes. SS might be far superior for training strength, but the cost makes it a bit less accessible for some... (like myself for example :()

[Kiriyama]

Okay, the best rate is what? Roughly 100k per hour?

 

 

 

Unless controlled magically saves you 10 hours, then it's useless. However, since that rate at max stats, controlled has to save more time. Which it won't.

 

 

 

And if you can't afford a Saradomin Sword, do what we used to do. Use a goddamn Dragon Scimitar, it's not that much worse.

[All_Is_Great]

I don't think controlled is good, I'd advise you to keep your attack/str several levels above Def.

[Inuashakent]

IMO its longer training, if you do the maths you lose 0.1 xp per hit(not a lot though)

 

Hmm? What if you hit something in multiples of 3? Wouldn't you gain 4x xp in attack, strength, and defense, and not 3.99x?

[transcript80]

I agree with Inuashakent. You might loose a few xp here and there (since you won't always hit multiples of 3) but I think in the end it is faster training on controlled.

[Inuashakent]

I agree with Inashuakent. You might loose a few xp here and there (since you won't always hit multiples of 3) but I think in the end it is faster training on controlled.

 

Yep. Im pretty sure the whip gives over .16% more xp than the SS. (.25% xp lost for controlled but multiples of 3 happens 1/3 of the time, = 50/3%)

[LegsOSkill]

I preferred controlled when I trained combat before, I liked getting 3 - 4 levels at the same time. :) Granted it takes longer, I still liked it. :thumbup:

[The_dmt1234]

controlled is more accurate and defencive than strength and hits more than accurate and defensive so wouldn't that make up for the lost exp? then you would bank less etc.

[LegsOSkill]

controlled is more accurate and defencive than strength and hits more than accurate and defensive so wouldn't that make up for the lost exp? then you would bank less etc.

 

 

 

Mhmm.

 

 

 

May I ask why you're buying so many Iron/Steel Nails, btw? :-k

[The_dmt1234]

sorry but i'm only allowed to answer one question per person per day and you just asked yours.

[Randox]

Controlled works if you hate the scim and can't buy an SS. I used to train like this, but the agony of the speed was pretty bad. I had it so that my str and att skills were within a couple hundred xp of eachother, and my def level was one lower. Granted, it spared me the pain of training def (since the added def bonus seems to make everything hit me more while nukeing any chance of an accuracy or damage bonus), and even with an SS I don't like str training (probably because I feel dumb if I wear my black elite, and I rediscovered my rune def being superior than a d sq against ankous). As a result my nicely balenced skills are now 80/79/78/79 (I think) for str/att/def/hit.

 

 

 

There is a reason other than lost xp to not train controlled. If your stats are all at the same xp, then it takes 3 times longer to level on controlled (all skills gain the same xp rate as HP). The advanatage of doing them one at a time is that as you level each skill, it makes you better in combat in some way and presumably helps you level up your next stat a bit faster. I figure over time, this actualy does add up.

[Gonalo40]

Controlled works if you hate the scim and can't buy an SS. I used to train like this, but the agony of the speed was pretty bad. I had it so that my str and att skills were within a couple hundred xp of eachother, and my def level was one lower. Granted, it spared me the pain of training def (since the added def bonus seems to make everything hit me more while nukeing any chance of an accuracy or damage bonus), and even with an SS I don't like str training (probably because I feel dumb if I wear my black elite, and I rediscovered my rune def being superior than a d sq against ankous). As a result my nicely balenced skills are now 80/79/78/79 (I think) for str/att/def/hit.

 

 

 

There is a reason other than lost xp to not train controlled. If your stats are all at the same xp, then it takes 3 times longer to level on controlled (all skills gain the same xp rate as HP). The advanatage of doing them one at a time is that as you level each skill, it makes you better in combat in some way and presumably helps you level up your next stat a bit faster. I figure over time, this actualy does add up.

 

 

 

lol your kidding right? there is no difference if your training the combat skill seperately or all at once. you DONT save time, no you even waste it... Its PROVEN that whip + defender/whip + dfs/whip + wooden-shield IS better than SS, thats because ss has the same stats and speeds like whip.

 

I know people who have alot of spare money prefer it because its sooo fancy and expensive..

 

the xp lost is a rumor, i dont think its true.

 

 

 

And i cant understand those peoples training def 99, with att/str 70, it WILL take longer then training on controlled.. (at least go for 90+ man)

 

 

 

The only reason why most of the scapers prefer training their combat levels seperately is because their greedy for shiny levels and 99s, i can understand this though, who doesnt want it, but training seperately is NOT faster.

[Dexek]

[hide=]

Controlled works if you hate the scim and can't buy an SS. I used to train like this, but the agony of the speed was pretty bad. I had it so that my str and att skills were within a couple hundred xp of eachother, and my def level was one lower. Granted, it spared me the pain of training def (since the added def bonus seems to make everything hit me more while nukeing any chance of an accuracy or damage bonus), and even with an SS I don't like str training (probably because I feel dumb if I wear my black elite, and I rediscovered my rune def being superior than a d sq against ankous). As a result my nicely balenced skills are now 80/79/78/79 (I think) for str/att/def/hit.

 

 

 

There is a reason other than lost xp to not train controlled. If your stats are all at the same xp, then it takes 3 times longer to level on controlled (all skills gain the same xp rate as HP). The advanatage of doing them one at a time is that as you level each skill, it makes you better in combat in some way and presumably helps you level up your next stat a bit faster. I figure over time, this actualy does add up.

 

 

 

lol your kidding right? there is no difference if your training the combat skill seperately or all at once. you DONT save time, no you even waste it... Its PROVEN that whip + defender/whip + dfs/whip + wooden-shield IS better than SS, thats because ss has the same stats and speeds like whip.

 

I know people who have alot of spare money prefer it because its sooo fancy and expensive..

 

the xp lost is a rumor, i dont think its true.

 

 

 

And i cant understand those peoples training def 99, with att/str 70, it WILL take longer then training on controlled.. (at least go for 90+ man)

 

 

 

The only reason why most of the scapers prefer training their combat levels seperately is because their greedy for shiny levels and 99s, i can understand this though, who doesnt want it, but training seperately is NOT faster.

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So you don't believe that if you were powertraining on a monster that rarely if at all damaged you, that having your attack & strength higher than your defence would not be a faster method of experience? You could be increasing your accuracy and strength allowing for more experience per hour. You could then move to defence after and be gaining faster experience than you would have if your stats were equal on controlled. I don't think it's too complicated, but depends on what the OP means by "training".

[Shepherdman7]

[hide=]

Controlled works if you hate the scim and can't buy an SS. I used to train like this, but the agony of the speed was pretty bad. I had it so that my str and att skills were within a couple hundred xp of eachother, and my def level was one lower. Granted, it spared me the pain of training def (since the added def bonus seems to make everything hit me more while nukeing any chance of an accuracy or damage bonus), and even with an SS I don't like str training (probably because I feel dumb if I wear my black elite, and I rediscovered my rune def being superior than a d sq against ankous). As a result my nicely balenced skills are now 80/79/78/79 (I think) for str/att/def/hit.

 

 

 

There is a reason other than lost xp to not train controlled. If your stats are all at the same xp, then it takes 3 times longer to level on controlled (all skills gain the same xp rate as HP). The advanatage of doing them one at a time is that as you level each skill, it makes you better in combat in some way and presumably helps you level up your next stat a bit faster. I figure over time, this actualy does add up.

 

 

 

lol your kidding right? there is no difference if your training the combat skill seperately or all at once. you DONT save time, no you even waste it... Its PROVEN that whip + defender/whip + dfs/whip + wooden-shield IS better than SS, thats because ss has the same stats and speeds like whip.

 

I know people who have alot of spare money prefer it because its sooo fancy and expensive..

 

the xp lost is a rumor, i dont think its true.

 

 

 

And i cant understand those peoples training def 99, with att/str 70, it WILL take longer then training on controlled.. (at least go for 90+ man)

 

 

 

The only reason why most of the scapers prefer training their combat levels seperately is because their greedy for shiny levels and 99s, i can understand this though, who doesnt want it, but training seperately is NOT faster.

[/hide]

 

 

 

So you don't believe that if you were powertraining on a monster that rarely if at all damaged you, that having your attack & strength higher than your defence would not be a faster method of experience? You could be increasing your accuracy and strength allowing for more experience per hour. You could then move to defence after and be gaining faster experience than you would have if your stats were equal on controlled. I don't think it's too complicated, but depends on what the OP means by "training".

 

This could have substance to it, but only if you are training on a low-level monster with no ability to hit you and no defense. Honestly, though, anything like that drops rubbish and isn't worth killing. Money made killing other things makes up the time you spent getting nothing but levels, and the people getting money won't be that far behind.

[All_Is_Great]

[hide=]

Controlled works if you hate the scim and can't buy an SS. I used to train like this, but the agony of the speed was pretty bad. I had it so that my str and att skills were within a couple hundred xp of eachother, and my def level was one lower. Granted, it spared me the pain of training def (since the added def bonus seems to make everything hit me more while nukeing any chance of an accuracy or damage bonus), and even with an SS I don't like str training (probably because I feel dumb if I wear my black elite, and I rediscovered my rune def being superior than a d sq against ankous). As a result my nicely balenced skills are now 80/79/78/79 (I think) for str/att/def/hit.

 

 

 

There is a reason other than lost xp to not train controlled. If your stats are all at the same xp, then it takes 3 times longer to level on controlled (all skills gain the same xp rate as HP). The advanatage of doing them one at a time is that as you level each skill, it makes you better in combat in some way and presumably helps you level up your next stat a bit faster. I figure over time, this actualy does add up.

 

 

 

lol your kidding right? there is no difference if your training the combat skill seperately or all at once. you DONT save time, no you even waste it... Its PROVEN that whip + defender/whip + dfs/whip + wooden-shield IS better than SS, thats because ss has the same stats and speeds like whip.

 

I know people who have alot of spare money prefer it because its sooo fancy and expensive..

 

the xp lost is a rumor, i dont think its true.

 

 

 

And i cant understand those peoples training def 99, with att/str 70, it WILL take longer then training on controlled.. (at least go for 90+ man)

 

 

 

The only reason why most of the scapers prefer training their combat levels seperately is because their greedy for shiny levels and 99s, i can understand this though, who doesnt want it, but training seperately is NOT faster.

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Calling people who doesnt train controlled "greedy" isn't right. There are other reasons: like being able to pvp better, tank better, etc.

 

 

 

The speed totally depends on the monster your training on, and if you need a high def to train on a monster, it probably isnt worth it anyways. Let's look at the most popular training places today:

 

 

 

flesh crawlers, barely hit anything on anyone that has 30+ def.

 

armoured zombies, I never tried these, but from my understanding, you use the altar upstairs?

 

ape atoll monkey, again, with the use of prayer, makes def useless.

 

Chinning, use of prayer again

 

yaks, no need for def here.

[J35u5_M4]

1 Hit on controlled gives you 1,333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333.... XP to each melee, while focused on one style it gives you 4. So you're actually getting 3,99999999999999999999999999999. XP using controlled, as we can see the loss is minimal and you save the pain of using ss/d scim

[JHalpert]

I brought up this question on another topic a while back.

 

 

 

[hide=I wrote]Another question I have that seems to apply to the topic is about controlled vs. focused. Is the number 1.33 an exact number or rounded to the hundredth (is 1.33 meant to mean 1 1/3)? If it is the exact number, then training focused would give a small amount more xp in the long run (focused would give 4 xp when total xp gained for the same hit with focused would be 3.99). For someone training 30m xp that could become significant. Is this making any sense or am I just being stupid?[/hide]

 

[hide=g4ses wrote]Well, I think that 1.33 is meant to be 1 1/3, so that they're exactly equal.

 

 

 

Either way, even though I train controlled, might it be better to train attack or strength, then the other of those two, and finally defense? I mean, higher attack and strength levels would equal slightly faster defense training. Has this been tested?[/hide]

 

 

 

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