Pray pots...

[JoeDaStudd]

I always have 10+ ranarr seeds in the bank so this is actually making me a lot of money right now. Each herb trip is netting me a nice profit (even with the costs of the seeds at 50k its a 100k+ profit).

 

Its like most buy outs, its only bad if you can't create the item yourself. Take the bunyip pouch buyout that happened, I simply created a few hundred pouches and made a killing.

 

 

 

Roll with the punches they'll drop like crazy soon enough.

 

 

 

Yes its annoying, but I'm glad its on a item that most players can create.

 

 

 

But the fact that players that are hardcore GWD/ any other boss monster slayers will have to gather ingredients by themselves....

 

 

 

It will really p*ss those people off. Snape grass is easy to collect, but ranarrs.....

 

Farm ranarrs or MTK herbs.

 

I get about 26 ranarrs per farming trip (I should really do My Arm) thats about 20 prayer pots in less then a 5 minute run.

 

At bandos or zammy you'll use 2 to 4 prayer pots per hour (if your using more then your doing something wrong) or bosses well it depends on the boss. But you'd need to use more then 20 (4) p pots per 75 minutes before there hard to come by.

[All_Is_Great]

I always have 10+ ranarr seeds in the bank so this is actually making me a lot of money right now. Each herb trip is netting me a nice profit (even with the costs of the seeds at 50k its a 100k+ profit).

 

Its like most buy outs, its only bad if you can't create the item yourself. Take the bunyip pouch buyout that happened, I simply created a few hundred pouches and made a killing.

 

 

 

Roll with the punches they'll drop like crazy soon enough.

 

 

 

Yes its annoying, but I'm glad its on a item that most players can create.

 

 

 

But the fact that players that are hardcore GWD/ any other boss monster slayers will have to gather ingredients by themselves....

 

 

 

It will really p*ss those people off. Snape grass is easy to collect, but ranarrs.....

 

Farm ranarrs or MTK herbs.

 

I get about 26 ranarrs per farming trip (I should really do My Arm) thats about 20 prayer pots in less then a 5 minute run.

 

At bandos or zammy you'll use 2 to 4 prayer pots per hour (if your using more then your doing something wrong) or bosses well it depends on the boss. But you'd need to use more then 20 (4) p pots per 75 minutes before there hard to come by.

 

 

 

The fact is they have to wait 2 hours. I don't think many hardcore boss hunters would want to wait 2 hours AFTER they have everything else needed. The waiting is what is killing them.

[funnisam]

Chessy's clan are manipulating dharok's helms right now.

[JoeDaStudd]

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I always have 10+ ranarr seeds in the bank so this is actually making me a lot of money right now. Each herb trip is netting me a nice profit (even with the costs of the seeds at 50k its a 100k+ profit).

 

Its like most buy outs, its only bad if you can't create the item yourself. Take the bunyip pouch buyout that happened, I simply created a few hundred pouches and made a killing.

 

 

 

Roll with the punches they'll drop like crazy soon enough.

 

 

 

Yes its annoying, but I'm glad its on a item that most players can create.

 

 

 

But the fact that players that are hardcore GWD/ any other boss monster slayers will have to gather ingredients by themselves....

 

 

 

It will really p*ss those people off. Snape grass is easy to collect, but ranarrs.....

 

Farm ranarrs or MTK herbs.

 

I get about 26 ranarrs per farming trip (I should really do My Arm) thats about 20 prayer pots in less then a 5 minute run.

 

At bandos or zammy you'll use 2 to 4 prayer pots per hour (if your using more then your doing something wrong) or bosses well it depends on the boss. But you'd need to use more then 20 (4) p pots per 75 minutes before there hard to come by.

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The fact is they have to wait 2 hours. I don't think many hardcore boss hunters would want to wait 2 hours AFTER they have everything else needed. The waiting is what is killing them.

 

Anyone who is boss hunting is either doing it for fun or for money. If its for fun it can wait and if its for money then they should already be planting either ranarrs or snapdragons on the side.

 

If your a pro (as in professional) monster hunter you'll always keep enough supplies for atleast 3 trips in your bank (personally I normally have atleast 20 super restores, 60 brews, 20 prayer pots, 20 super sets and so on, at any one moment in time). That way you can speed up trips (faster banking and can sell group members supplies to start trips quicker) and don't waste time GE'ing all the time.

 

 

 

o and FYI 75 minutes is only 1 hour 15 minutes.

 

 

 

People know merchanting clans manipulate pretty much every item, but people still fail to stock up when items they need are low and hold back when the items are high.

[beaver]

that's cool i have 530 prayer pots in bank waiting for price increase and it's finaly here :)

[All_Is_Great]

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I always have 10+ ranarr seeds in the bank so this is actually making me a lot of money right now. Each herb trip is netting me a nice profit (even with the costs of the seeds at 50k its a 100k+ profit).

 

Its like most buy outs, its only bad if you can't create the item yourself. Take the bunyip pouch buyout that happened, I simply created a few hundred pouches and made a killing.

 

 

 

Roll with the punches they'll drop like crazy soon enough.

 

 

 

Yes its annoying, but I'm glad its on a item that most players can create.

 

 

 

But the fact that players that are hardcore GWD/ any other boss monster slayers will have to gather ingredients by themselves....

 

 

 

It will really p*ss those people off. Snape grass is easy to collect, but ranarrs.....

 

Farm ranarrs or MTK herbs.

 

I get about 26 ranarrs per farming trip (I should really do My Arm) thats about 20 prayer pots in less then a 5 minute run.

 

At bandos or zammy you'll use 2 to 4 prayer pots per hour (if your using more then your doing something wrong) or bosses well it depends on the boss. But you'd need to use more then 20 (4) p pots per 75 minutes before there hard to come by.

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The fact is they have to wait 2 hours. I don't think many hardcore boss hunters would want to wait 2 hours AFTER they have everything else needed. The waiting is what is killing them.

 

Anyone who is boss hunting is either doing it for fun or for money. If its for fun it can wait and if its for money then they should already be planting either ranarrs or snapdragons on the side.

 

If your a pro (as in professional) monster hunter you'll always keep enough supplies for atleast 3 trips in your bank (personally I normally have atleast 20 super restores, 60 brews, 20 prayer pots, 20 super sets and so on, at any one moment in time). That way you can speed up trips (faster banking and can sell group members supplies to start trips quicker) and don't waste time GE'ing all the time.

 

 

 

o and FYI 75 minutes is only 1 hour 15 minutes.

 

 

 

People know merchanting clans manipulate pretty much every item, but people still fail to stock up when items they need are low and hold back when the items are high.

 

 

 

Maybe I shouldn't have said hardcore slayers, because it seems reasonable that they keep backup supplies. But what about those other casual slayers? Surely not EVERYONE has backups in their bank, that's why I'm saying these merch clans have gone too far.

 

 

 

Oh, and FYI :roll: , herbs (and all other crops) grow in cycles. Each plant has 4 or 5 cycles, and each cycle has a timer. For example, let's say the timer for a herb is 15 minutes, and say you plant the seed JUST AFTER the cycle has started. That means it will take 10-15 minutes for the herb to grow to the next stage. Sometimes, when doing a herb run, your timing is off, and you plant 2 in one cycle and 3 in the other. The timing is almost NEVER exactly 1 hour 15 minutes. It's more around 1 hour 30 minutes to 2 hours. Most people time their herb runes to that time. And I was using 2 hours because I have used 1.5 hours before, but 2 of my herbs weren't grown.

[depresins]

I find it hilarious. All these people going on and on about people being idiots for not playing the game efficiently or for being DIYers are now suddenly [bleep]ing that a material that should be able to produce themselves can't be bought for a low enough price.

 

 

 

Sweet times, sweet times.

[Cabbage_Boii]

The thing is that Jagex should just set the price themselves and not let it be manipulated by clans.

 

 

 

well that would just be absolutely terrible, thats the whole rant of the ge and jagex trying to set their own prices...

 

 

 

ppots and restore pots are VERY annoying not to be able to buy, farming is a very conveinient way to get the pots cheaper but it is harder to farm them than it is to put an offer inat the GE :wall:

[AlexDT]

I find it hilarious. All these people going on and on about people being idiots for not playing the game efficiently or for being DIYers are now suddenly [bleep] that a material that should be able to produce themselves can't be bought for a low enough price.

 

 

 

Sweet times, sweet times.

 

And then there are people like me, who don't really care how other people play the game, but are also inconvenienced by the selfish merchanters. Heck, the only reason the pro-efficiency people are at a disadvantage is because a group of people is abusing a system in a way Jagex did not properly plan for. Perhaps I'm not cynical enough to develop contingencies for such situations. But then again, I'm about as cynical as they come, so that can't be it.

 

 

 

Oh, also, I don't think you fully understand the problem. It's not that the prayer potions are too expensive, it's that they cannot be bought, even at max price. They are being completely bought up. So are ranarr seeds, so having a decent farming level won't do much good either.

[DoomedMages]

I agree, it's getting increasingly annoying. I'm not overly bothered about the price rising, just the difficulty in buying the stupid things.

 

 

 

Yes i'm referring to prayer potions. :)

[depresins]

I find it hilarious. All these people going on and on about people being idiots for not playing the game efficiently or for being DIYers are now suddenly [bleep] that a material that should be able to produce themselves can't be bought for a low enough price.

 

 

 

Sweet times, sweet times.

 

And then there are people like me, who don't really care how other people play the game, but are also inconvenienced by the selfish merchanters. Heck, the only reason the pro-efficiency people are at a disadvantage is because a group of people is abusing a system in a way Jagex did not properly plan for. Perhaps I'm not cynical enough to develop contingencies for such situations. But then again, I'm about as cynical as they come, so that can't be it.

 

 

 

Oh, also, I don't think you fully understand the problem. It's not that the prayer potions are too expensive, it's that they cannot be bought, even at max price. They are being completely bought up. So are ranarr seeds, so having a decent farming level won't do much good either.

 

 

 

I do understand the "problem". They CAN be bought rather easily. If you choose to stick with the GE, good luck. A quick view on RSOF shows more than a few people selling prayer pots. Step into the GE on most worlds, you'll see somebody selling prayer pots.

 

 

 

Jagex has always stressed the benefits of a balanced character. Go out and collect seeds, then collect snape grass, then blow vials, fill them with water and make prayer potions. Just because you can't obtain them exactly the way you want to, don't whinge that they are unobtainable.

[Fey_Warrior]

I recommend players check the GE again...

 

 

 

A friend and I checked what's they're selling at... and I've had one listed at max price for over an hour now. They're no longer selling at maximum price in the GE, but for around 15,813 GP... and possibly may start selling at market price (GE) and lower.

 

 

 

It may be that the so-called 'merchant clan' leaders have dumped early already, and the rest have only just caught on...so it seems unlikely, if the buy-out-all pattern doesn't resume, the 'predicted price' was not only a myth or overly confident but possibly a blatant lie to the members of these groups.

[Zachneap]

It appears smokin mils has stopped merching ppots due to complaints. They seem to now be dumping.

[Clay_More12]

I think Jagex will change Grand Exchange abit due to the merchers, I got a feeling.. :?

[Jehosaphat]

It appears smokin mils has stopped merching ppots due to complaints. They seem to now be dumping.

 

 

 

Yep. So wait a couple days, buy them at a low point, wait a couple more, then sell them after they shoot back up. Merch clans always create market instability....

 

 

 

Market instability = good for those who merch honestly (not these stupid clans) and those who get drops of those items.

 

 

 

"Merch" clans = bad.

 

 

 

In my mind, a true merchant clan would be a bunch of people speculating and advising each other on lots of different items that might rise, fall, etc. Not this "everyone mass-buy XXX item and get rich!"

 

 

 

And real merchant clans wouldn't have those stupid autotypers in the GE on every world either.... -.-

[Sir_Kurity]

Yes but some very rich private merchanting clans clans who all trust each other and are very rich, can manipulate the market and make everyone gain a profit.

[Zachneap]

what is that supposed to mean?

[depresins]

I managed to sell quite a few hundred for 18k each, so I'm fairly happy.

[Karvinen]

Shortages are caused by the price limits, not by price manipulators. If there was no limits, there would be no shortages, as the price will always rise to the equilibrium point immediately. When price increases, the supply will increase too. If the price is restricted from rising, it restricts the supply from rising too -> shortage.

 

 

 

Non-restricted prices:

 

 

 

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(too low price limit)

 

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(too high price limit)

 

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No, the fact your missing is this: merching clans continue to buy ppots at MAX price, this causes two things, 1. drives prices up non-stop, 2. buys out the supply for other people (though there will be ppots for others to buy, MOST of the supply is bought out by these clans).

 

 

 

Merch clans make prices rise, but they don't cause shortages.

 

 

 

Price limitation is the only thing that can cause shortages in RS. Without price limits, prices would rise freely, which would cause lots of players start making and selling prayer potions, balancing the price and feeding the demand. With these price limits, the supply rises slower than the demand, and the result is shortage.