Obama's First Year

[obfuscator]

The problem with America is that the president's term is far too short... the public wants everything that is wrong with America to be completely fixed in four years, and if they don't get it, Obama won't win the next election. Who the hell can fix a country in four years?

 

In my opinion, terms should be lifelong and end only by impeachment. The constant switching of agendas is just such a waste of precious time.

 

But then again, it doesn't really matter, because the world is ending in 2012 anyway.

So we can have one person in the most powerful position in the world for 50+ years? Not so democratic if you ask me.

 

I don't expect things to be "fixed", he made promises that he hasn't kept. He's certainly taken steps to keep the majority of them but the radical change, the hope he promised is thus far absent.

[mlclm]

As much as I love hatin on Bush, I don't think anyone's giving him enough credit. Yes, he started a war, but only after we were severely attacked. Americans wanted blood, and he gave it to them. We're just a bit overwhelmed with it at the moment.

You have to be kidding me.

... What?

[Giordano]

He's good at inspirational speeches, and that's about it.

Are you sure about that? "I plan to uh, make the new uh, bill pass through the uhhh, Congress. Uhh."

Actually, I hate when politicians give speeches. It sounds like my English class reading out loud.

 

He did not start a war so he at least did it better than his predecessor

It seems our standards for success have been lowered dramatically.

:lol:

 

Obama has done nothing yet, as in, he hasn't done horrible nor great things. Right down smack in the middle.

[polyvoree]

Being English, I do sort of worry for what Obama has planned, seeing as he is the president of the most powerful country in the world. I found this video interesting.

 

Those who really care, should watch ALL of it.

 

[Wisp]

As much as I love hatin on Bush, I don't think anyone's giving him enough credit. Yes, he started a war, but only after we were severely attacked. Americans wanted blood, and he gave it to them. We're just a bit overwhelmed with it at the moment.

You have to be kidding me.

... What?

We weren't severely attacked. Some terrorists flew a plane into a building. No country invaded. The number of civilians killed, not to mention soldiers as a result of the afghanistan war alone (not counting iraq, because there are no links between 9/11 and iraq really) has hugely exceeded the number of people killed on 9.11.

[champion]

Being English, I do sort of worry for what Obama has planned, seeing as he is the president of the most powerful country in the world. I found this video interesting.

 

Those who really care, should watch ALL of it.

 

Oh Jesus Christ. I didn't think the video was that bad until the narrator starts yelling at you about an hour in saying you should let everyone know that Obama is a betrayer and a liar and a Judas goat who is trying to bring in the one world government. [bleep]ing conspiracy theorists.

[Lenin64]

I think he's started in on the big stuff-like health care-too early. He should have made some little improvements first to placate the guys that are saying he's done jack instead of going in whole-hog immediately.

[1_man_army]

I disagree Lenin, it's always better to get the unpopular stuff out of the way early. That way you can get it done and get it off the agenda and out of the public eye long before the next election.

[stonewall337]

Plans for socialized medicine=bad

 

Children being taught to sing songs praising him in school=bad

 

Being a narcissist =bad

 

Is sort of wierd I was just watching the Daily show with Jon Steward, I guess you watch fox news?

 

I don't watch TV at all.

 

The difference the person who posted that item on anonymous is that this is SOCIALISM. Look it up, as he obviously doesn't know what it means. The Post Office isn't a socialist organization. Socialized medicine would damage greatly the insurance market.

 

It is impossible, really, to debate without defining terms. This is what socialism means,

 

Main Entry: so·cial·ism

Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\

Function: noun

Date: 1837

1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

 

Look at this please.

 

http://www.lc.org/media/9980/attachments/healthcare_comprehensive_chart_110409.pdf

 

Being English, I do sort of worry for what Obama has planned, seeing as he is the president of the most powerful country in the world. I found this video interesting.

 

Those who really care, should watch ALL of it.

 

Oh Jesus Christ. I didn't think the video was that bad until the narrator starts yelling at you about an hour in saying you should let everyone know that Obama is a betrayer and a liar and a Judas goat who is trying to bring in the one world government. [bleep]ing conspiracy theorists.

 

 

Funny. Obama was just talking about a "new world order" which included references to a worldwide government. Don't mock people, instead combat with logic, a skill not taught in schools obviously.

[stonewall337]

Being English, I do sort of worry for what Obama has planned, seeing as he is the president of the most powerful country in the world. I found this video interesting.

 

Those who really care, should watch ALL of it.

 

Oh Jesus Christ. I didn't think the video was that bad until the narrator starts yelling at you about an hour in saying you should let everyone know that Obama is a betrayer and a liar and a Judas goat who is trying to bring in the one world government. [bleep]ing conspiracy theorists.

 

Funny. Obama was just talking about a "new world order" which included references to a worldwide government. Don't mock people, instead combat with logic, a skill not taught in schools obviously.

 

 

Also, Obama won a Nobel Peace Prized based on 11 days worth of work in the White House. The nominations were due at that time. WTH?

 

As well, what is the White House doing telling Fox News to lay off? That is scary stuff. The 1st amendment wasn't designed to protect polite speech.

[Lenticular_J]

We weren't severely attacked. Some terrorists flew a plane into a building. No country invaded. The number of civilians killed, not to mention soldiers as a result of the afghanistan war alone (not counting iraq, because there are no links between 9/11 and iraq really) has hugely exceeded the number of people killed on 9.11.

War casualties always exceed casualties from whatever started the war. Duke Ferdinand was one man - his dying led to the deaths of tens of millions.

 

More than 3,000 deaths in a few hours, in what was and still often is considered the most powerful and secure nation in the world - and the destruction of the largest towers in our largest city - that's quite a severe attack.

[stonewall337]

We weren't severely attacked. Some terrorists flew a plane into a building. No country invaded. The number of civilians killed, not to mention soldiers as a result of the afghanistan war alone (not counting iraq, because there are no links between 9/11 and iraq really) has hugely exceeded the number of people killed on 9.11.

War casualties always exceed casualties from whatever started the war. Duke Ferdinand was one man - his dying led to the deaths of tens of millions.

 

More than 3,000 deaths in a few hours, in what was and still often is considered the most powerful and secure nation in the world - and the destruction of the largest towers in our largest city - that's quite a severe attack.

 

 

Bush was not a great president, sorry. He was socialistic, although not as much as Obama. He was not a fiscal conservative. And we should get out of Iraq. Don't put him on a pedestal. I will admit, 9-11-01 was a terrible day, and I will also admit it was a major attack, as was December 7th, 1941.

 

A country must defend itself, or else it won't last long. And I know forgot what I was about to say.

[RSBDavid]

He is a good public speaker, wants change, came during an economic hardship. Hmmmmmmmm ... which German dictator does this remind me of?

 

I do not approve of him. I am not racist in any way so don't assume that is why. One thing I don't like is how the democrats have the majority in the house. They have 257 seats, which is around 39 more than needed to control the house. This means Obama can easily pass certain bills.

[Lenticular_J]

We weren't severely attacked. Some terrorists flew a plane into a building. No country invaded. The number of civilians killed, not to mention soldiers as a result of the afghanistan war alone (not counting iraq, because there are no links between 9/11 and iraq really) has hugely exceeded the number of people killed on 9.11.

War casualties always exceed casualties from whatever started the war. Duke Ferdinand was one man - his dying led to the deaths of tens of millions.

 

More than 3,000 deaths in a few hours, in what was and still often is considered the most powerful and secure nation in the world - and the destruction of the largest towers in our largest city - that's quite a severe attack.

 

 

Bush was not a great president, sorry. He was socialistic, although not as much as Obama. He was not a fiscal conservative. And we should get out of Iraq. Don't put him on a pedestal. I will admit, 9-11-01 was a terrible day, and I will also admit it was a major attack, as was December 7th, 1941.

 

A country must defend itself, or else it won't last long. And I know forgot what I was about to say.

Please, point out where I said Bush was a great president. Please. Also, please tell me what the [bleep] you're going on about?

[Skull]

I'm pretty sure this stonewall guy is a troll.

[indy500fan]

You lost me at the Post Office isn't a socialist organization. If you think that and then post the first definition which proves the USPS is socialist and still think it isn't then you are just an idiot.

 

The problem here is also that you automatically think something socialist is bad. There are a few programs that have to be socialist in nature, because they can't be fair when run by individuals. For example courts (ie socialized adjudication of legal disputes) have to be government run, if they were run by corporations then they would inevitable support whoever gives them the most money. The police (ie socialized personal security forces) have to be government run because corruption would be too easy of private security. The military (ie socialized national security forces) have to be run by the government because you really wouldn't want a corporation having full control of the military.

 

Then there are programs that work better as socialized programs. First is the one you claimed wasn't, the United States Postal Service (ie socialized mail service). The problem with it now is that it is no longer needed nearly as much. It runs at a loss because the law says that it has to deliver mail everyday the person gets mail. Mail is extremely inefficient means of conveying information. But when it was necessary before the Internet it was a way to get mail from any part of the country to any other part, without having to deal with multiple companies and multiple fees. Another program that is better government run is roads. With the few exceptions of toll roads you can drive anywhere in the country on the same road network, not having to stop every ten minutes to pay a fee to go another few miles than another company owns. Then there is also no incentive to bother paving side roads, since the people have no other options they simply have to deal with it.

 

So yeah, socialism isn't bad, it can even work better than capitalism in some cases. Socialized medicine I agree with you, there is no reason for that. I do however think that socialized health insurance is needed.

[champion]

Being English, I do sort of worry for what Obama has planned, seeing as he is the president of the most powerful country in the world. I found this video interesting.

 

Those who really care, should watch ALL of it.

 

Oh Jesus Christ. I didn't think the video was that bad until the narrator starts yelling at you about an hour in saying you should let everyone know that Obama is a betrayer and a liar and a Judas goat who is trying to bring in the one world government. [bleep]ing conspiracy theorists.

 

 

Funny. Obama was just talking about a "new world order" which included references to a worldwide government. Don't mock people, instead combat with logic, a skill not taught in schools obviously.

Alright. Barack Obama is not a liar, a betrayer, a Judas goat, or someone who is trying to bring in a one world government. Is that logical enough for you? I am sure you'll go ahead and show me one time where something he said would happen wouldn't happen yet or something, thus making him a liar.

[indy500fan]

He is a good public speaker, wants change, came during an economic hardship. Hmmmmmmmm ... which German dictator does this remind me of?

 

I do not approve of him. I am not racist in any way so don't assume that is why. One thing I don't like is how the democrats have the majority in the house. They have 257 seats, which is around 39 more than needed to control the house. This means Obama can easily pass certain bills.

 

What the [bleep] have you been smoking? Are you seriously saying that Obama can easily pass bills because Democrats have a majority in the House? Just look at the health care debacle for all the proof you need against that. The few things that he could push through really quick were actually bills dealing with the stimulus plan at the beginning of his presidency. One of those he actually got through as a Senator before he became president (but after the election), all those were only because of the financial crisis.

 

Since then 90% of Republicans decided that they were now fiscally conservative (even though they didn't give a [bleep] about that the previous 8 years) and pretty much want to kill every bill that he wants to go through, and the idiot Democrats try all day to concede and get votes across the aisle and in the end become as useless as the Republicans (because in the end the Democrats generally just want to talk a lot to get support but not do anything that could jeopardize getting those centrists)

[mlclm]

We weren't severely attacked. Some terrorists flew a plane into a building. No country invaded. The number of civilians killed, not to mention soldiers as a result of the afghanistan war alone (not counting iraq, because there are no links between 9/11 and iraq really) has hugely exceeded the number of people killed on 9.11.

War casualties always exceed casualties from whatever started the war. Duke Ferdinand was one man - his dying led to the deaths of tens of millions.

 

More than 3,000 deaths in a few hours, in what was and still often is considered the most powerful and secure nation in the world - and the destruction of the largest towers in our largest city - that's quite a severe attack.

 

 

Bush was not a great president, sorry. He was socialistic, although not as much as Obama. He was not a fiscal conservative. And we should get out of Iraq. Don't put him on a pedestal. I will admit, 9-11-01 was a terrible day, and I will also admit it was a major attack, as was December 7th, 1941.

 

A country must defend itself, or else it won't last long. And I know forgot what I was about to say.

Neither of us were arguing that Bush was an awesome president. I just don't think it's fair that people are blaming him for a war that happened during his presidency. Most make it seem like he woke up one day and decided to troll the [bleep] out of the world.

[indy500fan]

Neither of us were arguing that Bush was an awesome president. I just don't think it's fair that people are blaming him for a war that happened during his presidency. Most make it seem like he woke up one day and decided to troll the [bleep] out of the world.

 

You could legitimately argue for or against the Afghanistan war, however blaming him for the war in Iraq is completely justifiable. There was absolutely no reason for that one (other than keeping the USD hegemony of course).

[Harakiri]

At least Bush followed through with his promises, Obama has been nothing but a media [bleep], every day I see a picture of his face on my newspaper or on the internet or on the television. He has done nothing worthwhile for the country. I liked the guy at first, thought he could change the country for the better, but he has done nothing but hog the media. OMG, OBAMA BUYS A BURGER WITH SPICY MUSTARD!!! OMG, IT'S SASHA'S BIRTHDAY!

 

Who the hell cares? Hopefully their will be a bit more work happening in the Oval Office during the next three years.

Whose fault is that, then: Media or Obama?

 

Your posts always make me laugh haha.

 

It is the medias fault, but it is also partly Obama's. Did we ever see Bush give his NBA playoff predictions? No! And whether it is the medias fault or not, I am sick of seeing him and his family everywhere. Apparently nobody notices how much he has done for the country (zip), they just care that it's a black guy in the white house (even though he is technically mixed, but apparently black genes overpower white ones) and he is apparently some sort of movie star who everyone must follow around. I can't stand seeing his face anymore, I have seen his face more in a year then the faces of my Mom and Dad in fifteen years.

[stonewall337]

You lost me at the Post Office isn't a socialist organization. If you think that and then post the first definition which proves the USPS is socialist and still think it isn't then you are just an idiot.

 

The problem here is also that you automatically think something socialist is bad. There are a few programs that have to be socialist in nature, because they can't be fair when run by individuals. For example courts (ie socialized adjudication of legal disputes) have to be government run, if they were run by corporations then they would inevitable support whoever gives them the most money. The police (ie socialized personal security forces) have to be government run because corruption would be too easy of private security. The military (ie socialized national security forces) have to be run by the government because you really wouldn't want a corporation having full control of the military.

 

Then there are programs that work better as socialized programs. First is the one you claimed wasn't, the United States Postal Service (ie socialized mail service). The problem with it now is that it is no longer needed nearly as much. It runs at a loss because the law says that it has to deliver mail everyday the person gets mail. Mail is extremely inefficient means of conveying information. But when it was necessary before the Internet it was a way to get mail from any part of the country to any other part, without having to deal with multiple companies and multiple fees. Another program that is better government run is roads. With the few exceptions of toll roads you can drive anywhere in the country on the same road network, not having to stop every ten minutes to pay a fee to go another few miles than another company owns. Then there is also no incentive to bother paving side roads, since the people have no other options they simply have to deal with it.

 

So yeah, socialism isn't bad, it can even work better than capitalism in some cases. Socialized medicine I agree with you, there is no reason for that. I do however think that socialized health insurance is needed.

 

The difference is that there are other organizations outside the USPS to deliver mail. Thus the whole mail industry isn't controlled by the government.

 

I'm pretty sure this stonewall guy is a troll.

 

Typical. You can't combat other's arguments, so you insult them.

 

To lent, you come off as a Bush admirer. Stop ad homining.

Edited November 6, 2009 by Kcdragon8116
Merged the posts.

[Skull]

I'm pretty sure this stonewall guy is a troll.

 

Typical. You can't combat other's arguments, so you insult them.

I wasn't aware that I was arguing with you.

[indy500fan]

The difference is that there are other organizations outside the USPS to deliver mail. Thus the whole mail industry isn't controlled by the government.

 

And the whole private security industry isn't controlled by the government (there are tons of private body guards and corporate security), and the whole national security industry isn't controlled by the government (Blackwater mercenaries).

[Lenticular_J]

To lent, you come off as a Bush admirer. Stop ad homining.

The irony of that statement is hilarious. You might want to look up the definition of ad hominem argument instead of just using it as a big word.