Ancient God

[1230abcz]

Ancient God refers to a God that was "created" after aliens visited our planet thousands of years ago. Ancient man wrote about these aliens, referring to them what we know today as God, Angles, and Demons. This entire theory was born from the brain-child of one man: Erich von Däniken, in his novel Chariot of the Gods?.

 

Now, this is all highly controversial, and when I heard the initial theory I was like "ah hell nah mah brotha." But like all theories, this one happens to be backed by a fair bit of "proof." The proof that's mentioned in this book doesn't imply anything, but it takes a different perspective on things.

 

 

Before I wow you all with my exemplary prose, I'll take you back to a time you all remember... The 6th grade. I'm going to assume you've all passed the 6th grade, and if not, lol at you.

 

I'm sure you've all heard of the Great Pyramid of Giza, and, once again, if you haven't, I'll pray for you. <-- Lulz, funny, since we're talking about God. <-- I'll go cry in a corner now... Anyway, you probably remember how the Great Pyramid of Giza was built -- why, a lot of servants that were paid with bread and beer of course. But, think about this, how did slaves build such a monument in only 22 years? Each block weighs many tons, and, logistically speaking, each block would have to have been cut, transported, and set in place (by a ramp that had to have been 2 miles long to reach the top of the pyramid while going around the base) every 9 seconds. That piece of information is not a lie; if the Great Pyramid of Giza was built in 22 years, that's how much effort it would have taken the workers. Anyone with an IQ of over 60 would realize that moving blocks weighing several tons every 9 seconds is absolutely impossible. But that is not all there is, people. Considering the size of the GREAT Pyramid of Giza, how did people light the inside of the pyramid? Sunlight can't bend around hundreds of corners into the depths of the pyramid, where there are literally thousands of feet of perfectly carved granite and writing. Light from directed mirrors of modern technology dissipates after a few turns. Then how did the ancients light their massive tunnel systems? Well, the only explanation is manufactured light -- you know, the light bulb. You might ask yourself then, how did the Egyptians achieve such a feat?

 

Another piece of information can be seen from the ruins of Puma Punku. In those ruins, there are hundreds of megalithic boulders, weighing several hundred tons, all carved with exactly the same patterns. But stone carving was a common human feat in the olden days, right? Right; that fact is accepted of course, but how did people who had no developed form of writing carve granite and dyarite (the second hardest stone other than diamond) with mere chisels? Also, these aren't your normal, everyday cuts. Some of these carvings are only a few millimeters in depth and span entire lengths of the rock without ever changing in their depth or precision. The only way to cut the second hardest stone in the world is by using diamond tipped technology, which probably wasn't available at your local Home Depot a few thousand years ago.

 

Yet another piece of evidence comes from the late 1500's, when a British sailor mapped the Americas, Antarctica, and the western portions of Africa and Europe. The most astonishing part of this map is that it not only displays extremely accurate detail (showing rivers in the deep forests of Brazil and every single island east of the Americas before they were even discovered), but it shows Antarctica as it was several million years ago when it had no ice covering. The only way we know this is because we have ground penetrating radar and satellite imaging, but then how did a man from the 1500's chart such a land mass down the the tiniest details millions of years after it had existed?

 

 

All of these and more are all listed in the book by Von Daniken.

 

My question to everyone is, what do you all think about all of this? Is God really just a bunch of aliens from the sky who came to visit us a few thousand years ago? And if so, where are they now? UFO's maybe? All of this is just speculation, but very interesting speculation at that.

 

So please, discuss away at your leisure.

[stevepole]

I think this is just another case of "Because we can't explain this it must have been aliens."

[1230abcz]

Yea, that's my main argument, but even so, it's a pretty childish one. There aren't many ways around the "evidence," which is very cleanly laid out in the novel. The most damning evidence is the one about the pyramids. It was built in 22 years because there's a Pharaoh buried in that thing, and unless Pharaohs live a few thousand years long (multiply 9 seconds per block by a few hundred to get a reasonable time limit to build the pyramid), I don't see how it's possible.

[Lenticular_J]

The pharoahs ruled an insane empire that placed no value on lives of slaves. Even on plantations in the South in the 1800s, slaves were kept alive if at all possible. In ancient Egypt, who gave a [bleep] - there were always more slaves. So why not work them to death?

 

22 years is plenty of time.

[Greatsilverwyrm]

Go go argument from ignorance!

[Wisp]

Let's start things off.

A block every 9 seconds? No, there were around 2.3 million blocks. That means a block every 5 minutes. Considering there were thousands of slaves working that seems possible.

How did they light their tunnels? Gee, I dunno, how did anyone back in the day see when it was dark. I don't think fire was really beyond the ancient Egyptians. Or it could have been carved before being put into place. But you know, a torch isn't too complicated.

 

For the blocks, I dunno. But saying it's aliens is pretty stupid.

 

For the map:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_map#South_America

 

And it was a turkish map, not british.

[Abc1230]

tl;dr

 

I just wanted to say that I have no idea who the author of this thread is and that we are in no way related.

[Jeffwilson99]

Go go argument from ignorance!

 

Haha I was this justing this... Had a philosophy exam on stuff including fallacies yesterday...

 

"When you hear the sound of hooves in the night, think horses, not zebras"

[Giordano]

The idea of humans mistaking aliens for Gods is a sound one. It makes much more sense than the current religion crap.

 

The buildings are irrelevant though; I only see this theory as Godly aliens, not their landmarks.

[Saru Inc]

I think this is just another case of "Because we can't explain this it must have been aliens."

 

 

 

Lol'd

 

 

 

Umm just so you know... THe Ancient Egyptians had the same Mental Capacity as we do. (or at least close) So.... It shouldn't have been that hard. I saw a history channel thingie where they explained it.

[Furah]

Yet another piece of evidence comes from the late 1500's, when a British sailor mapped the Americas, Antarctica, and the western portions of Africa and Europe. The most astonishing part of this map is that it not only displays extremely accurate detail (showing rivers in the deep forests of Brazil and every single island east of the Americas before they were even discovered), but it shows Antarctica as it was several million years ago when it had no ice covering. The only way we know this is because we have ground penetrating radar and satellite imaging, but then how did a man from the 1500's chart such a land mass down the the tiniest details millions of years after it had existed?

I guess he has shown us that our methods at dating things really suck. :mellow:

 

Another piece of information can be seen from the ruins of Puma Punku. In those ruins, there are hundreds of megalithic boulders, weighing several hundred tons, all carved with exactly the same patterns. But stone carving was a common human feat in the olden days, right? Right; that fact is accepted of course, but how did people who had no developed form of writing carve granite and dyarite (the second hardest stone other than diamond) with mere chisels? Also, these aren't your normal, everyday cuts. Some of these carvings are only a few millimeters in depth and span entire lengths of the rock without ever changing in their depth or precision. The only way to cut the second hardest stone in the world is by using diamond tipped technology, which probably wasn't available at your local Home Depot a few thousand years ago.

Clearly they had some method of doing so. People never give the credit for these civilisations deserve. It would take the same time these days to make the pyramids as it took the Egyptians thousands of years ago, so I think it's safe to say that these people had their nice carving system down pat.

[Alg]

Umm just so you know... THe Ancient Egyptians had the same Mental Capacity as we do. (or at least close) So.... It shouldn't have been that hard. I saw a history channel thingie where they explained it.

I saw the entire premise of the OP in a history channel special. Featuring interviews with the book's author.

Though the idea of aliens as Gods actually makes sense. Superpowered being that brings down knowledge? Just make it look human so that it doesn't scare the [cabbage] out of you and your friends.

[RpgGamer]

Of course Aliends created human society.

Explain Stone Hendge.

Explain the Easter Island Heads.

Explain why the Aztecs and the Egyptians had so many arcitectual similarities, without ever saying a word to each other.

Explain the bermuda triangle.

Explain why the Aztec calendar was so fraking incredible.

Explain hoe the Egyptians managed to model their pyramids in the exact propotion to Orion's Belt, down to the angle.

 

The only explanation: Aliens.

[Alg]

Maybe even some kind of Canticle for Leibowitz kind of thing, humans with space travel escape the end of Earth and repopulate elsewhere with nothing but knowledge.

 

... I liked that book

[XdomX]

Go go argument from ignorance!

Christ won't save you from our alien overlords.

[1230abcz]

The pharoahs ruled an insane empire that placed no value on lives of slaves. Even on plantations in the South in the 1800s, slaves were kept alive if at all possible. In ancient Egypt, who gave a [bleep] - there were always more slaves. So why not work them to death?

 

22 years is plenty of time.

 

22 years is plenty of time, yes, for a pyramid a fraction of its size. You've yet you explain how someone can transport a block weighing 3 tons across a 2 mile ramp in such a small amount of time. And they weren't actually slaves, just workers who were paid with food. They were still probably worked to death.

 

 

Go go argument from ignorance!

 

Go go Power Rangers!

 

Let's start things off.

A block every 9 seconds? No, there were around 2.3 million blocks. That means a block every 5 minutes. Considering there were thousands of slaves working that seems possible.

How did they light their tunnels? Gee, I dunno, how did anyone back in the day see when it was dark. I don't think fire was really beyond the ancient Egyptians. Or it could have been carved before being put into place. But you know, a torch isn't too complicated.

 

For the blocks, I dunno. But saying it's aliens is pretty stupid.

 

For the map:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_map#South_America

 

And it was a turkish map, not british.

 

My mishap, I was referring to all three pyramids in my main post, sorry. As for the map thing, I also meant to say Europe... Didn't proof read for info very much.

 

But anyway, 5 minutes per block considering the time needed to cut it into a very accurate rectangle, transport it, and move it up a ramp over a mile long... Modern technologists have said this is entirely impossible, even in present times. Also, the light thing: there's not enough oxygen to support a substantial flame for more than a few seconds before it burns off most of the oxygen in the area.

 

I will agree that saying it's because of aliens is a bit childish, but, currently, there are no competing theories as to how it was done -- except for magic.

 

 

tl;dr

 

I just wanted to say that I have no idea who the author of this thread is and that we are in no way related.

 

I thought we had something special, and now you're going around saying we're not related in anyway?! How could you?!! You know what? We're over! Just don't even talk to me! I knew this was a bad idea from the start!!! *breaks down*

 

Yet another piece of evidence comes from the late 1500's, when a British sailor mapped the Americas, Antarctica, and the western portions of Africa and Europe. The most astonishing part of this map is that it not only displays extremely accurate detail (showing rivers in the deep forests of Brazil and every single island east of the Americas before they were even discovered), but it shows Antarctica as it was several million years ago when it had no ice covering. The only way we know this is because we have ground penetrating radar and satellite imaging, but then how did a man from the 1500's chart such a land mass down the the tiniest details millions of years after it had existed?

I guess he has shown us that our methods at dating things really suck. :mellow:

 

Another piece of information can be seen from the ruins of Puma Punku. In those ruins, there are hundreds of megalithic boulders, weighing several hundred tons, all carved with exactly the same patterns. But stone carving was a common human feat in the olden days, right? Right; that fact is accepted of course, but how did people who had no developed form of writing carve granite and dyarite (the second hardest stone other than diamond) with mere chisels? Also, these aren't your normal, everyday cuts. Some of these carvings are only a few millimeters in depth and span entire lengths of the rock without ever changing in their depth or precision. The only way to cut the second hardest stone in the world is by using diamond tipped technology, which probably wasn't available at your local Home Depot a few thousand years ago.

Clearly they had some method of doing so. People never give the credit for these civilisations deserve. It would take the same time these days to make the pyramids as it took the Egyptians thousands of years ago, so I think it's safe to say that these people had their nice carving system down pat.

 

 

Lol, I don't think we're off by a few million years. Ice cores have been taken that shows the air inside the ice to be dated back millions of years. But other than that, I'll agree with the point on credit being given to ancient civilizations. I just pointed out that piece of info because I was kind of perplexed as to how anyone without modern tools could cut something almost as hard as diamond with rocks and to such amazing precision. I still don't see how it can be done without literally months of constant grinding with small tools.

[Nero]

Of course Aliends created human society.

Explain Stone Hendge.

Explain the Easter Island Heads.

Explain why the Aztecs and the Egyptians had so many arcitectual similarities, without ever saying a word to each other.

Explain the bermuda triangle.

Explain why the Aztec calendar was so fraking incredible.

Explain hoe the Egyptians managed to model their pyramids in the exact propotion to Orion's Belt, down to the angle.

 

The only explanation: Aliens.

 

Stonehenge: Blocks were transported from ships over water, then wheeled there over chopped down trees

Easter Island Heads: Rocks that were placed there and then carved

Aztech/Egypt architectural similarities: Because we're an uncreative race when it comes to designing things that can't kill stuff.

Bermuda Triangle: Large frequency of storms, as well as I think it was giant gas bubbles that form due to the shifting plates below

Aztech calendar: Well, they were pretty bored since they didn't really have crusades to go on, so I guess they had to do something worthwhile with their time.

Pyramid layout: Oh please. These people weren't apes, it's not like math was beyond their capacity.

[1230abcz]

Sorry for the double post, bad at these forums.

 

Umm just so you know... THe Ancient Egyptians had the same Mental Capacity as we do. (or at least close) So.... It shouldn't have been that hard. I saw a history channel thingie where they explained it.

I saw the entire premise of the OP in a history channel special. Featuring interviews with the book's author.

Though the idea of aliens as Gods actually makes sense. Superpowered being that brings down knowledge? Just make it look human so that it doesn't scare the [cabbage] out of you and your friends.

 

The idea makes sense, but it's not entirely rational. I still wont believe it with further proof.

 

I saw the History Channel thing too, but the book is far more interesting. I ordered it a few months ago, and apparently it was sitting under my name in Barnes and Noble the entire time.

 

 

Of course Aliends created human society.

Explain Stone Hendge.

Explain the Easter Island Heads.

Explain why the Aztecs and the Egyptians had so many arcitectual similarities, without ever saying a word to each other.

Explain the bermuda triangle.

Explain why the Aztec calendar was so fraking incredible.

Explain hoe the Egyptians managed to model their pyramids in the exact propotion to Orion's Belt, down to the angle.

 

The only explanation: Aliens.

 

Lol, or magic. I'll believe magic over aliens any day.

 

 

Go go argument from ignorance!

Christ won't save you from our alien overlords.

 

 

Only Chuck Norris can save us from the alien invaders, and even then, who'll save us from Chuck Norris?

[indy500fan]

I stopped reading at the 9 seconds per stone being impossible. First of all, that doesn't even sound like the right number taking into account over 20 years of work and around 2.3 million stones. Secondly, that's only doing one stone at a time, and they had thousands of people doing this. They aren't all going to be working on the same stone.

[1230abcz]

Of course Aliends created human society.

Explain Stone Hendge.

Explain the Easter Island Heads.

Explain why the Aztecs and the Egyptians had so many arcitectual similarities, without ever saying a word to each other.

Explain the bermuda triangle.

Explain why the Aztec calendar was so fraking incredible.

Explain hoe the Egyptians managed to model their pyramids in the exact propotion to Orion's Belt, down to the angle.

 

The only explanation: Aliens.

 

Stonehenge: Blocks were transported from ships over water, then wheeled there over chopped down trees

Easter Island Heads: Rocks that were placed there and then carved

Aztech/Egypt architectural similarities: Because we're an uncreative race when it comes to designing things that can't kill stuff.

Bermuda Triangle: Large frequency of storms, as well as I think it was giant gas bubbles that form due to the shifting plates below

Aztech calendar: Well, they were pretty bored since they didn't really have crusades to go on, so I guess they had to do something worthwhile with their time.

Pyramid layout: Oh please. These people weren't apes, it's not like math was beyond their capacity.

 

 

+1. Win.

 

 

Lol, those are the obvious explanations... But what about the not so obvious ones...? God came down and gave man magical powers to build those things to piss off everyone else in the future who still don't know how they built those things. It all makes so much god damn sense I just don't even know what to do anymore.

[Nero]

Of course Aliends created human society.

Explain Stone Hendge.

Explain the Easter Island Heads.

Explain why the Aztecs and the Egyptians had so many arcitectual similarities, without ever saying a word to each other.

Explain the bermuda triangle.

Explain why the Aztec calendar was so fraking incredible.

Explain hoe the Egyptians managed to model their pyramids in the exact propotion to Orion's Belt, down to the angle.

 

The only explanation: Aliens.

 

Stonehenge: Blocks were transported from ships over water, then wheeled there over chopped down trees

Easter Island Heads: Rocks that were placed there and then carved

Aztech/Egypt architectural similarities: Because we're an uncreative race when it comes to designing things that can't kill stuff.

Bermuda Triangle: Large frequency of storms, as well as I think it was giant gas bubbles that form due to the shifting plates below

Aztech calendar: Well, they were pretty bored since they didn't really have crusades to go on, so I guess they had to do something worthwhile with their time.

Pyramid layout: Oh please. These people weren't apes, it's not like math was beyond their capacity.

 

 

+1. Win.

 

 

Lol, those are the obvious explanations... But what about the not so obvious ones...? God came down and gave man magical powers to build those things to piss off everyone else in the future who still don't know how they built those things. It all makes so much god damn sense I just don't even know what to do anymore.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

[1230abcz]

Of course Aliends created human society.

Explain Stone Hendge.

Explain the Easter Island Heads.

Explain why the Aztecs and the Egyptians had so many arcitectual similarities, without ever saying a word to each other.

Explain the bermuda triangle.

Explain why the Aztec calendar was so fraking incredible.

Explain hoe the Egyptians managed to model their pyramids in the exact propotion to Orion's Belt, down to the angle.

 

The only explanation: Aliens.

 

Stonehenge: Blocks were transported from ships over water, then wheeled there over chopped down trees

Easter Island Heads: Rocks that were placed there and then carved

Aztech/Egypt architectural similarities: Because we're an uncreative race when it comes to designing things that can't kill stuff.

Bermuda Triangle: Large frequency of storms, as well as I think it was giant gas bubbles that form due to the shifting plates below

Aztech calendar: Well, they were pretty bored since they didn't really have crusades to go on, so I guess they had to do something worthwhile with their time.

Pyramid layout: Oh please. These people weren't apes, it's not like math was beyond their capacity.

 

 

+1. Win.

 

 

Lol, those are the obvious explanations... But what about the not so obvious ones...? God came down and gave man magical powers to build those things to piss off everyone else in the future who still don't know how they built those things. It all makes so much god damn sense I just don't even know what to do anymore.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

 

 

Lol, I saw "razor" in your link. Don't give me that simplicity [cabbage]. It's all about sticking by the most elaborate theory you can think of and making people believe it.

[warri0r45]

Lol, I saw "razor" in your link. Don't give me that simplicity [cabbage]. It's all about sticking by the most elaborate theory you can think of and making people believe it.

 

You're not being serious, right?

[Saru Inc]

For the longest time I thought it was spelled Octum's Razer.... Lold.

 

 

1230Abc, it's usually true the simplest is the most viable option. I mean we could say the Egyptians used teleporters and incantations to move the blocks, or 45k slaves and ramps \pulleys and levers.

[i_love_burritos]

Just pointing out, that the pyramids weren't build by slaves, or any form of induced labour.

 

Egyptians built the pyramids, normal citizens. Common labourers.