Ancient God

[Bauke]

Just pointing out, that the pyramids weren't build by slaves, or any form of induced labour.

 

Egyptians built the pyramids, normal citizens. Common labourers.

Normal citizens.. which were used as slaves. The workers that had to built the inside of the pyramid and knew the layout of the pyramid were actually trapped inside, so that they couldn't ever tell anyone else about the way the pyramid was layed out inside. Just to give an example. It wasn't exactly a normal work environment.

 

As for the topic start, I wish people would stop making up stories. Religion is bad enough as it is. We don't need more fairy tales.

[i_love_burritos]

Just pointing out, that the pyramids weren't build by slaves, or any form of induced labour.

 

Egyptians built the pyramids, normal citizens. Common labourers.

Normal citizens.. which were used as slaves.

 

Remember that the Nile Flood cycle lasted from mid September to February, with harvesting taking place in Mesra. Which left lotsa' free time for these people.

 

Not to mention they were paid, accomodated, fed and rested. Everyone worked. Bakers, carpenters, farmers, tailors.

 

Which means you are W.R.O.N.G.

 

I suggest you read "G". That one should clear up the notion of "trapped inside, forever, haunted". You're the one perpetuating these simple minded fairy tales.

 

Keep reading. Keep reading.

[Bauke]

That doesn't mean there were no slaves involved. You fail to mention that, although your sources even state that there were probably slaves involved. One of them even states that there were "undoubtedly" slaves involved.

 

Keep reading, yeah.

[Lenin64]

Yet another piece of evidence comes from the late 1500's, when a British sailor mapped the Americas, Antarctica, and the western portions of Africa and Europe. The most astonishing part of this map is that it not only displays extremely accurate detail (showing rivers in the deep forests of Brazil and every single island east of the Americas before they were even discovered), but it shows Antarctica as it was several million years ago when it had no ice covering. The only way we know this is because we have ground penetrating radar and satellite imaging, but then how did a man from the 1500's chart such a land mass down the the tiniest details millions of years after it had existed?

For this, I point you towards H.P. Lovecraft's "At the Mountains of Madness". It makes just as much sense as the rest of this thread.

[warren211]

I think we're underestimating human intelligence by a lot here. It seems like just because these things seem improbable for ancient peoples, that would mean that outside forces had to help them. We all know Egypt and Greece were beasts at expanding knowledge of medicine, math, science, geometry, architecture... who said they had to be the only smart ones? We need to give these ancient tribes more credit for their advancements instead of belittling their achievements and calling it alien work. These people were a LOT smarter than we are today, because they had to discover new things and set the pathway for future educational advancements. All we do is read what the textbooks tell us about how they did it and practice using it. Sure, i'll admit science and medicine have come a long way since then, but as for everything else it seems that the only newer discoveries and revelations are just simplified or expanded versions of what we already learned from the ancient peoples.

[Perakp]

Actually it wasn't the aliens, but us humans, as we traveled back to the past with our timemachine, and helped them build the pyramids etc.

[mlclm]

Does anyone else have a problem with an alien race that was so accomplished in space travel that they could travel to other systems, and they came here to move rocks?

[RpgGamer]

Of course Aliends created human society.

Explain Stone Hendge.

Explain the Easter Island Heads.

Explain why the Aztecs and the Egyptians had so many arcitectual similarities, without ever saying a word to each other.

Explain the bermuda triangle.

Explain why the Aztec calendar was so fraking incredible.

Explain hoe the Egyptians managed to model their pyramids in the exact propotion to Orion's Belt, down to the angle.

 

The only explanation: Aliens.

 

Stonehenge: Blocks were transported from ships over water, then wheeled there over chopped down trees

Easter Island Heads: Rocks that were placed there and then carved

Aztech/Egypt architectural similarities: Because we're an uncreative race when it comes to designing things that can't kill stuff.

Bermuda Triangle: Large frequency of storms, as well as I think it was giant gas bubbles that form due to the shifting plates below

Aztech calendar: Well, they were pretty bored since they didn't really have crusades to go on, so I guess they had to do something worthwhile with their time.

Pyramid layout: Oh please. These people weren't apes, it's not like math was beyond their capacity.

 

I was being sarcastic, but lets have an argument then shall we?

Stonehenge: there is no way "simple" way they could have transported those rocks to that location. A boat of that time period wouldn't be nearly strong enough. How they built the thing its' self though has been theoretically proven. It's an elaborate elevator using a seesaw like mechanism. So it's plausible for a human to build it, once give the correct materials

 

Easter Island Heads: When did tribesman that have never seen any other form of a person get to be so selfaware and artsy? Not to mention the fact that all of them are damn near identicle. I get that they're all modeled after the same person, but there's barely even a trace of a tribe ever living there those things are so old.

 

Aztec/Egyptian similarities: Maybe it is just human nature to ove to make pyramids. but why? And wouldn't this suggest that all ancient colonies should have similiar structure?

 

Bermuda Triange: Yea...that's pretty much my explanation

 

Aztec calander accuracy: That makes sense, but it's still pretty rediculous to think that a civilization that's long since extinct can properly predict so many things so far in the future. Especially space related events. Europe didn't even notice space until Galileo challenged the church. (is this imlpying that religion is slowing our scientific progress?)

 

Egyptian pyramid layout: Smart or not, their dead accuracy scares me.

[H2PM]

Ancient God refers to a God that was "created" after aliens visited our planet thousands of years ago.

Thats when I stopped reading...

[Alg]

 

I was being sarcastic, but lets have an argument then shall we?

 

Easter Island Heads: When did tribesman that have never seen any other form of a person get to be so selfaware and artsy? Not to mention the fact that all of them are damn near identicle. I get that they're all modeled after the same person, but there's barely even a trace of a tribe ever living there those things are so old.

Since humans all had to come from somewhere it's likely they brought their art with them. And apparently that island had everything that people then would need to live, so they probably would have had time to be artistic. Then they ran out of resources...

 

Aztec/Egyptian similarities: Maybe it is just human nature to ove to make pyramids. but why? And wouldn't this suggest that all ancient colonies should have similiar structure?

Latin American cultures did, probably at around the same time. Slightly different purpose and style though, but pyramids nonetheless.

 

Aztec calander accuracy: That makes sense, but it's still pretty rediculous to think that a civilization that's long since extinct can properly predict so many things so far in the future. Especially space related events. Europe didn't even notice space until Galileo challenged the church. (is this imlpying that religion is slowing our scientific progress?)

I'd think it'd have to do with knowledge being passed on through generations though, they were there for long enough that they had time to perfect it, and since there wouldn't be as much light pollution then they had maybe 10 hours each day to look at the sky.

But then, I'm pretty sure their culture was also religious, so maybe the Europeans just weren't doing it right :razz:

 

Egyptian pyramid layout: Smart or not, their dead accuracy scares me.

Pyramid builders with OCD? :ohnoes:

[Guest Mrmegakirby]

I'm curious as to how we know it took 22 years to build the pyramids.

[RpgGamer]

I'm curious as to how we know it took 22 years to build the pyramids.

 

 

The Aliens told us.

 

BUt that's actually a good point. Especially because the length of a year back then was different from the length of a year now (Thanks Kings Julius and Augusto)

[ilovecuttingyews]

I am no expert in ancient civilizations, but I am sure that is the Pharoh told someone to do something, they had to do it right or they would be "replaced' (yes I mean killed). Plus, there was probably a number of people who's sole job was to stare at the stars to find the perfect layout to the pyramids.

 

Again, alot of these ancient civilizations had alot of time on thier hands. They didn't have the internet after all. If I didn't have access to a computer I think I would build a bunch of giant head statues out of sheer boredom.

[1230abcz]

Lol, I saw "razor" in your link. Don't give me that simplicity [cabbage]. It's all about sticking by the most elaborate theory you can think of and making people believe it.

 

You're not being serious, right?

 

Lol, no I'm not, in case you didn't catch that.

 

 

For the longest time I thought it was spelled Octum's Razer.... Lold.

 

 

1230Abc, it's usually true the simplest is the most viable option. I mean we could say the Egyptians used teleporters and incantations to move the blocks, or 45k slaves and ramps \pulleys and levers.

 

To me, a number around 60k-100k slaves seems more like a number I can stick behind. That actually makes it somewhat possible to move 3-5 ton blocks in such a short amount of time.

 

 

Just pointing out, that the pyramids weren't build by slaves, or any form of induced labour.

 

Egyptians built the pyramids, normal citizens. Common labourers.

 

Yup. They were even paid, considering they agreed to the hard labor, didn't die in the process, or didn't die after giving up midway and then getting killed. Pharaohs of that time were considered Gods, and anyone that's God can do whatever they wish.

 

 

Yet another piece of evidence comes from the late 1500's, when a British sailor mapped the Americas, Antarctica, and the western portions of Africa and Europe. The most astonishing part of this map is that it not only displays extremely accurate detail (showing rivers in the deep forests of Brazil and every single island east of the Americas before they were even discovered), but it shows Antarctica as it was several million years ago when it had no ice covering. The only way we know this is because we have ground penetrating radar and satellite imaging, but then how did a man from the 1500's chart such a land mass down the the tiniest details millions of years after it had existed?

For this, I point you towards H.P. Lovecraft's "At the Mountains of Madness". It makes just as much sense as the rest of this thread.

 

Mind paraphrasing it?

 

 

I think we're underestimating human intelligence by a lot here. It seems like just because these things seem improbable for ancient peoples, that would mean that outside forces had to help them. We all know Egypt and Greece were beasts at expanding knowledge of medicine, math, science, geometry, architecture... who said they had to be the only smart ones? We need to give these ancient tribes more credit for their advancements instead of belittling their achievements and calling it alien work. These people were a LOT smarter than we are today, because they had to discover new things and set the pathway for future educational advancements. All we do is read what the textbooks tell us about how they did it and practice using it. Sure, i'll admit science and medicine have come a long way since then, but as for everything else it seems that the only newer discoveries and revelations are just simplified or expanded versions of what we already learned from the ancient peoples.

 

Wouldn't say they were smarter, but they were definitely as smart as we are right now. The average IQ of the human doesn't change very much at all, even over a few thousand years.

 

 

Actually it wasn't the aliens, but us humans, as we traveled back to the past with our timemachine, and helped them build the pyramids etc.

 

Gimme Dat, son.

 

 

Ancient God refers to a God that was "created" after aliens visited our planet thousands of years ago.

Thats when I stopped reading...

 

Lol, I was wondering how many people would.

 

 

I'm curious as to how we know it took 22 years to build the pyramids.

 

 

Well, there's a Pharaoh buried in there, so not more than 40 or so years I would assume. Pyramids began construction upon the birth of a Pharaoh, so he was probably buried sometime around his death, presumably 22 years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, no one's pointed out how Egyptians had light deep inside the pyramids. They have magnificent writings and drawings down there in pure granite, so they must have needed a fairly large amount of light for long periods of time to accomplish that. You can't support a large fire, or even a large amount of people inside the main tombs, because that risks all of the oxygen being depleted inside the deepest part of the pyramids.

 

Also, there's a place in Peru, I think, were there are giant mountains with "runways" of sorts carved onto the ground and on the mountains. Now, anyone who says that humans made them for aliens and not for the mere act of making them is an idiot, but that's not why I mentioned this piece of information. Some of the mountains have had their peaks, their summits, "sliced" completely off. All of surrounding mountains have perfectly normal summits, but some of the mountains have summits that have been carved into perfectly straight paths that go on for kilometers. Think of the Himalayas; now think of the tops of all the mountains in the Himalayas cut off and formed into straight paths that stretch across the entire mountain region. These paths also have these "runways" carved into them. The main question is how did the tops of these mountains become to straightly carved? Weird, right? I'd say it's just weird natural occurrence, but maybe, lol.

[Guest Mrmegakirby]

I really don't think that we can truly know how long it took to build the pyramids. What if something had happend, what if the pharaoh ordered the pyramid to be built early, or we're getting the Pharohs age wrong?

 

And I think they can bring more then one torch into a pyramid, and light it as the previous one goes out, or carve the bricks before they go in.

[1230abcz]

More than one torch would be lethal to anyone else in the tunnels. Maybe if one person went down there to carve, but the flame would burn out very quickly, as the tunnels are very deep and it takes a bit while for oxygen to go down the tunnels, since it's lighter than CO₂.

 

Also, there are no traces of soot or other chemicals left behind from a burning torch anywhere inside the deepest part of the tunnels or the Pharaoh's tomb.

[i_love_burritos]

That doesn't mean there were no slaves involved. You fail to mention that, although your sources even state that there were probably slaves involved. One of them even states that there were "undoubtedly" slaves involved.

 

Keep reading, yeah.

 

Yes, and ?

 

The image I wanted to present was that, it wasn't just a whip-cracking "hard taskmaster" with lines upon line of shackled slaves. Even though slaves were involved, normal citizens for the large majority also built them.

[walka92]

More than one torch would be lethal to anyone else in the tunnels. Maybe if one person went down there to carve, but the flame would burn out very quickly, as the tunnels are very deep and it takes a bit while for oxygen to go down the tunnels, since it's lighter than CO₂.

 

Also, there are no traces of soot or other chemicals left behind from a burning torch anywhere inside the deepest part of the tunnels or the Pharaoh's tomb.

maybe they cleaned it after they finished building it. hell if i was the pharaoh, i'd make damn sure they clean my tomb once theyve finished.

 

or maybe the built it... from the groun up? meaning that the tunnels and rooms inside the pyramid were open air until they were finished, then more was placed on top and they were sealed. theres so many other posibilities that asuming it was aliens or whatever is taking it too far too soon

[1230abcz]

More than one torch would be lethal to anyone else in the tunnels. Maybe if one person went down there to carve, but the flame would burn out very quickly, as the tunnels are very deep and it takes a bit while for oxygen to go down the tunnels, since it's lighter than CO₂.

 

Also, there are no traces of soot or other chemicals left behind from a burning torch anywhere inside the deepest part of the tunnels or the Pharaoh's tomb.

maybe they cleaned it after they finished building it. hell if i was the pharaoh, i'd make damn sure they clean my tomb once theyve finished.

 

or maybe the built it... from the groun up? meaning that the tunnels and rooms inside the pyramid were open air until they were finished, then more was placed on top and they were sealed. theres so many other posibilities that asuming it was aliens or whatever is taking it too far too soon

 

 

 

Yup, lol. You got me. That's the only way it could've been built.

 

Edit: And since we're at this point, I should also say that there are many books that refute Von Dankien's claims as false and show proof as well. Just wanted to see how far this thread went, lol.

[Alg]

BUt that's actually a good point. Especially because the length of a year back then was different from the length of a year now (Thanks Kings Julius and Augusto)

Wouldn't it still be the same relative length though? Adding two months can be easily done by shortening the existing ones, right?

[1230abcz]

^ Hey local, it's Guido 49, lol.

 

As for their time systems, it can't be too far off from our own, but I'm pretty sure it was the same. Some cultures have been known to use weird bases in calculation of time and math, but still, since a person was buried in there, itbb can't be too much longer than 22.

[Gwasha]

Does anyone else have a problem with an alien race that was so accomplished in space travel that they could travel to other systems, and they came here to move rocks?

 

Thanks for the laugh <3:

[1230abcz]

Does anyone else have a problem with an alien race that was so accomplished in space travel that they could travel to other systems, and they came here to move rocks?

 

Thanks for the laugh <3:

 

 

Lol, if I was part of an alien race that just discovered an advanced alien race on another planet, I'd be interested enough to help them out and learn about their planet at the same time.

[Seraphi]

They came here to move rocks, with the sole purpose to confuse us after several hundered years and then point and laugh at us from the moon.

Interstellar pranksters. Tsk.

[Alg]

They came here to move rocks, with the sole purpose to confuse us after several hundered years and then point and laugh at us from the moon.

Interstellar pranksters. Tsk.

Y'know, this is bound to be the most likely answer. Or the people back them did it themselves...

"Hey, wanna leave something to perplex future generations for centuries?"

"Sure! Let's carve a bunch of rocks in weird shapes and leave them in places where nobody would expect to find them!"