Prodigal Son Returns

[newge4]

2 things:

 

1) I've always considered WoW to be the crack of MMO's , whilst RS is the pot of MMO's.

 

2) Could you imagine if Jagex decided to only cater to maxed players? The outcry would be heard around the world.

[elucin8er]

2 things:

 

1) I've always considered WoW to be the crack of MMO's , whilst RS is the pot of MMO's.

 

2) Could you imagine if Jagex decided to only cater to maxed players? The outcry would be heard around the world.

 

It's hard to max in Rs, it's not hard to max in WoW.

[pegpenguin]

Okay, personally I HATE WOW. It is quite possibly the DUMBEST mmo I've played. I played for a whole three months, and I got SO bored at around level 20...I had no drive to level any higher, because all the quests are EXACTLY the same, collect this item for me, kill this many monsters for me, get some lame equipment, and then move on to the next town. And it's the same for Alliance and Horde, they're EXACTLY the same, just a few nouns switched around. Seriously I did some research, the amount of monsters you have to kill are exactly the same!!! Why would I play a game where the fun starts after spending MONTHS getting to the max level, when the fun should be involved with the journey to get to the max level?

 

Runescape has continued to be my favorite MMO for seven years now, and I still haven't gotten any notable achievements. I am certifiably a noob, because I have fun during my leveling up and hanging out with friends, that aren't perverted making sexual jokes all day long.

[Avernix]

Okay, personally I HATE WOW. It is quite possibly the DUMBEST mmo I've played. I played for a whole three months, and I got SO bored at around level 20...I had no drive to level any higher, because all the quests are EXACTLY the same, collect this item for me, kill this many monsters for me, get some lame equipment, and then move on to the next town. And it's the same for Alliance and Horde, they're EXACTLY the same, just a few nouns switched around. Seriously I did some research, the amount of monsters you have to kill are exactly the same!!! Why would I play a game where the fun starts after spending MONTHS getting to the max level, when the fun should be involved with the journey to get to the max level?

 

Runescape has continued to be my favorite MMO for seven years now, and I still haven't gotten any notable achievements. I am certifiably a noob, because I have fun during my leveling up and hanging out with friends, that aren't perverted making sexual jokes all day long.

Humor?

[zotto]

 

 

It might sound elitest to say "you need to be 80, or else you really havent even played WoW" but it really isn't elitest. Level 80 corresponds to about 2-3 months of leveling, if you dont fiddle-faddle on the way. Do you think it is elitest to say that most Runescape updates should be for people who played more than 2-3 months?

 

Dunno, I have played runescape for 4 years and still don't have access to all content. Runescape is a game that allows for growth. It takes a person with a lot of spare time to max out completely and do everything that is possible within the game. I like that.

[elucin8er]

Okay, personally I HATE WOW. It is quite possibly the DUMBEST mmo I've played. I played for a whole three months, and I got SO bored at around level 20...I had no drive to level any higher, because all the quests are EXACTLY the same, collect this item for me, kill this many monsters for me, get some lame equipment, and then move on to the next town. And it's the same for Alliance and Horde, they're EXACTLY the same, just a few nouns switched around. Seriously I did some research, the amount of monsters you have to kill are exactly the same!!! Why would I play a game where the fun starts after spending MONTHS getting to the max level, when the fun should be involved with the journey to get to the max level?

 

Runescape has continued to be my favorite MMO for seven years now, and I still haven't gotten any notable achievements. I am certifiably a noob, because I have fun during my leveling up and hanging out with friends, that aren't perverted making sexual jokes all day long.

 

Is this a joke post? Don't wanna flame it unless you're actually serious lol :blink:

[xxshady]

The one thing that RS people don't seem to understand (since the only PC game that they have played is RS most of the time) is that maxing in Runescape is an achievement or endgame in and of itself. However, in WoW it is expected that everyone gets the max level because:

 

1) It's easy

2) It allows you to actually USE the real game content like raids and arena

3) Updates rarely cater to those below level 80

 

 

WoW is definitely the better game from a technical standpoint, meaning not only graphics but fluidity of the combat system. In Runescape you don't need to learn spell rotations, have quick reflexes, learn to counter other moves, etc since the combat system is simple. You click, you use prayers and you eat. In WoW the combat is much more in-depth and fun. However, RS definitely has better quests than WoW (and any other MMO for that matter) Many might say that the community in WoW is not as mature as it should be, but Runescape's community is a joke. You can't walk 5 minutes without seeing two 12 year olds arguing over who is the "noob" and who isn't. Its rediculous.

[elucin8er]

The one thing that RS people don't seem to understand (since the only PC game that they have played is RS most of the time) is that maxing in Runescape is an achievement or endgame in and of itself. However, in WoW it is expected that everyone gets the max level because:

 

1) It's easy

2) It allows you to actually USE the real game content like raids and arena

3) Updates rarely cater to those below level 80

 

 

WoW is definitely the better game from a technical standpoint, meaning not only graphics but fluidity of the combat system. In Runescape you don't need to learn spell rotations, have quick reflexes, learn to counter other moves, etc since the combat system is simple. You click, you use prayers and you eat. In WoW the combat is much more in-depth and fun. However, RS definitely has better quests than WoW (and any other MMO for that matter) Many might say that the community in WoW is not as mature as it should be, but Runescape's community is a joke. You can't walk 5 minutes without seeing two 12 year olds arguing over who is the "noob" and who isn't. Its rediculous.

 

This is a good post, and this is what most defenders of both games have been trying to put forth. All we need now is the people who diss the game to read xxshadys post and take it in. Rs is a game of constant leveling, WoW is a game of reflexes, skill and commitment ( agreed rs pking requires skill, in4flame ). Apologies to those who've posted about WoW, but most of you have only played for 3 months, giving yourself little to no raiding experience ( 1 poster claims he only hit level 20 ) so yes, I will say you have no place to discuss the game.

[Myweponsg00d]

Okay, personally I HATE WOW. It is quite possibly the DUMBEST mmo I've played. I played for a whole three months, and I got SO bored at around level 20...I had no drive to level any higher, because all the quests are EXACTLY the same, collect this item for me, kill this many monsters for me, get some lame equipment, and then move on to the next town. And it's the same for Alliance and Horde, they're EXACTLY the same, just a few nouns switched around. Seriously I did some research, the amount of monsters you have to kill are exactly the same!!! Why would I play a game where the fun starts after spending MONTHS getting to the max level, when the fun should be involved with the journey to get to the max level?

 

Runescape has continued to be my favorite MMO for seven years now, and I still haven't gotten any notable achievements. I am certifiably a noob, because I have fun during my leveling up and hanging out with friends, that aren't perverted making sexual jokes all day long.

 

/facepalm

 

You played for 3 months and got to 20....Jesus. :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink:

 

Ugggghh.........ugh. I just started a new character the other day and I got to level 20 in 5 hours.

 

I really don't want to say anything explicitly mean...but those of you who are reading this post. I'm sure you understand my emotions when I say: Some people just amaze me.

[Golvellius]

The one thing that RS people don't seem to understand (since the only PC game that they have played is RS most of the time) is that maxing in Runescape is an achievement or endgame in and of itself. However, in WoW it is expected that everyone gets the max level because:

 

1) It's easy

2) It allows you to actually USE the real game content like raids and arena

3) Updates rarely cater to those below level 80

 

 

WoW is definitely the better game from a technical standpoint, meaning not only graphics but fluidity of the combat system. In Runescape you don't need to learn spell rotations, have quick reflexes, learn to counter other moves, etc since the combat system is simple. You click, you use prayers and you eat. In WoW the combat is much more in-depth and fun. However, RS definitely has better quests than WoW (and any other MMO for that matter) Many might say that the community in WoW is not as mature as it should be, but Runescape's community is a joke. You can't walk 5 minutes without seeing two 12 year olds arguing over who is the "noob" and who isn't. Its rediculous.

 

This is a good post, and this is what most defenders of both games have been trying to put forth. All we need now is the people who diss the game to read xxshadys post and take it in. Rs is a game of constant leveling, WoW is a game of reflexes, skill and commitment ( agreed rs pking requires skill, in4flame ). Apologies to those who've posted about WoW, but most of you have only played for 3 months, giving yourself little to no raiding experience ( 1 poster claims he only hit level 20 ) so yes, I will say you have no place to discuss the game.

 

My opinion is valid regardless of how arrogant your are.

I don't like the arena and I don't like raiding.

Not everybody does and WOW isn't my game anymore.

Blizzard doesn't give a rat's [wagon] about BGs. (the part I liked)

They took out twinks which is like banning pures in RS. (so much for something to do after getting 1 toon to 80)

Then they made a moronic griefing system for the 15 yr olds at BGs to vote you out because a few [developmentally delayed]s afk for second rate gear. (cant get 1st rate gear cause that would offend the raiders, booohooo)

So much for lone wolf rogue behind enemy lines flag stealing and assassination. (my favorite thing to do)

Its obvious they don't need those things, so If somebody wants to try WOW and they find they don't like raiding then don't pony up for another month cause frankly thats all there is to the game.

Thats a very vaild opinion and good advice, regardless of what you think.

[KingOfjapan]

I've never really played WoW except the crappy 10 day free trial =P

 

I kinda prefer the simplicity of runescape, not having to learn a bunch of hot-keys but still be able to do things at a normal speed.

 

But I suppose I can't say much only playing it for 10 days.

[elucin8er]

The one thing that RS people don't seem to understand (since the only PC game that they have played is RS most of the time) is that maxing in Runescape is an achievement or endgame in and of itself. However, in WoW it is expected that everyone gets the max level because:

 

1) It's easy

2) It allows you to actually USE the real game content like raids and arena

3) Updates rarely cater to those below level 80

 

 

WoW is definitely the better game from a technical standpoint, meaning not only graphics but fluidity of the combat system. In Runescape you don't need to learn spell rotations, have quick reflexes, learn to counter other moves, etc since the combat system is simple. You click, you use prayers and you eat. In WoW the combat is much more in-depth and fun. However, RS definitely has better quests than WoW (and any other MMO for that matter) Many might say that the community in WoW is not as mature as it should be, but Runescape's community is a joke. You can't walk 5 minutes without seeing two 12 year olds arguing over who is the "noob" and who isn't. Its rediculous.

 

This is a good post, and this is what most defenders of both games have been trying to put forth. All we need now is the people who diss the game to read xxshadys post and take it in. Rs is a game of constant leveling, WoW is a game of reflexes, skill and commitment ( agreed rs pking requires skill, in4flame ). Apologies to those who've posted about WoW, but most of you have only played for 3 months, giving yourself little to no raiding experience ( 1 poster claims he only hit level 20 ) so yes, I will say you have no place to discuss the game.

 

My opinion is valid regardless of how arrogant your are.

I don't like the arena and I don't like raiding.

Not everybody does and WOW isn't my game anymore.

Blizzard doesn't give a rat's [wagon] about BGs. (the part I liked)

They took out twinks which is like banning pures in RS. (so much for something to do after getting 1 toon to 80)

Then they made a moronic griefing system for the 15 yr olds at BGs to vote you out because a few [developmentally delayed]s afk for second rate gear. (cant get 1st rate gear cause that would offend the raiders, booohooo)

So much for lone wolf rogue behind enemy lines flag stealing and assassination. (my favorite thing to do)

Its obvious they don't need those things, so If somebody wants to try WOW and they find they don't like raiding then don't pony up for another month cause frankly thats all there is to the game.

Thats a very vaild opinion and good advice, regardless of what you think.

 

So basically you liked the stuff that didn't require much skill, gratz.

 

Twinks exist, u can choose not to get xp in bgs.

Jagex doesn't give a rat's [wagon] about PVP either ....

Offend raiders, naturally - you can't expect to get good gear from doing nothing that requires skill. I bet you got laughed at a lot because of your welfare gear.

Your entire point revolves around PVP, and if you don't like PVE, then naturally don't play it, simple. Regardless of all your points, the pvp system in WoW has far less problems than the pvp system in RS, and arena is actually featured in the WCG. Bgs is not, it's impossible to balance, and whingers like yourself will have to learn to live with that. If you want balance, play Starcraft, or start a gaming company yourself and attempt to balance it - it's hard. Even the 3 combat system in RS is unbalanced, and you'd think it shouldn't be hard to fix it, yet it is.

[Myweponsg00d]

My opinion is valid regardless of how arrogant your are.

I don't like the arena and I don't like raiding.

Not everybody does and WOW isn't my game anymore.

Blizzard doesn't give a rat's [wagon] about BGs. (the part I liked)

They took out twinks which is like banning pures in RS. (so much for something to do after getting 1 toon to 80)

Then they made a moronic griefing system for the 15 yr olds at BGs to vote you out because a few [developmentally delayed]s afk for second rate gear. (cant get 1st rate gear cause that would offend the raiders, booohooo)

So much for lone wolf rogue behind enemy lines flag stealing and assassination. (my favorite thing to do)

Its obvious they don't need those things, so If somebody wants to try WOW and they find they don't like raiding then don't pony up for another month cause frankly thats all there is to the game.

Thats a very vaild opinion and good advice, regardless of what you think.

 

So little of what you said even makes sense about World of Warcraft, and I'd hate for anyone to make the mistake of reading any of your posts and thinking they are true so:

 

*WoW is not "horribly imbalanced" in favor of Paladins. Right now, the most powerful PvP class is Warrior (arguably overpowered) and Paladins are really quite balanced. However they will always be popular for PvP because they (along with druids) are a class designed around versatility. People think Pallys are over powered because they always do well. Well, by nature of their class, they SHOULD always do "well". However, they are never at the very top.

*You regret making a rogue because they "are useless in instances". I cant even do anything but LAUGH at this statement. Rogues are number 2 or 3 right now in top DPS classes (DPS=damage per second). Their damage is only competitive with Mages and Hunters right now, and they are far ahead of Warlocks. All the other "hybrid" classes are far behind those 4 (because they are not pure DPS classes)

 

*You are complaining about Battlegrounds, as a ROGUE. This is the absolute most ridiculous thing ever. Rogues, due to the nature of the class, are ALWAYS going to be GREAT at PvP. They have the largest variety of stuns, crowd controls, interrupts, and movement slows available in the game. (except for maybe a warrior). But, on top of that, they put forth incredible ammounts of damage in short periods of time, AND they can stealth.

 

I see the problem though. You picked a Rogue. Rogues are very hard to learn. And, judging from your writing, you are a complete imbecile, so this is probably why your experience playing a rogue sucked. Not to mention the fact that you did not play the game long enough to be able to learn the intricate mechanics of how to be good with your class. Perhaps you should try the game again as a Death Knight. You can literally smash buttons on your keyboard and perform well with that class.

 

Oh and the part about "taking out twinks" is simply a lie. It isnt true at all, and I have no idea where you would get such a crazy stupid idea. I bet you probably just heard it somewhere and spit it out here without even verifying that it was true.

[Avernix]

My opinion is valid regardless of how arrogant your are.

I don't like the arena and I don't like raiding.

Not everybody does and WOW isn't my game anymore.

Blizzard doesn't give a rat's [wagon] about BGs. (the part I liked)

They took out twinks which is like banning pures in RS. (so much for something to do after getting 1 toon to 80)

Then they made a moronic griefing system for the 15 yr olds at BGs to vote you out because a few [developmentally delayed]s afk for second rate gear. (cant get 1st rate gear cause that would offend the raiders, booohooo)

So much for lone wolf rogue behind enemy lines flag stealing and assassination. (my favorite thing to do)

Its obvious they don't need those things, so If somebody wants to try WOW and they find they don't like raiding then don't pony up for another month cause frankly thats all there is to the game.

Thats a very vaild opinion and good advice, regardless of what you think.

 

So little of what you said even makes sense about World of Warcraft, and I'd hate for anyone to make the mistake of reading any of your posts and thinking they are true so:

 

*WoW is not "horribly imbalanced" in favor of Paladins. Right now, the most powerful PvP class is Warrior (arguably overpowered) and Paladins are really quite balanced. However they will always be popular for PvP because they (along with druids) are a class designed around versatility. People think Pallys are over powered because they always do well. Well, by nature of their class, they SHOULD always do "well". However, they are never at the very top.

*You regret making a rogue because they "are useless in instances". I cant even do anything but LAUGH at this statement. Rogues are number 2 or 3 right now in top DPS classes (DPS=damage per second). Their damage is only competitive with Mages and Hunters right now, and they are far ahead of Warlocks. All the other "hybrid" classes are far behind those 4 (because they are not pure DPS classes)

 

*You are complaining about Battlegrounds, as a ROGUE. This is the absolute most ridiculous thing ever. Rogues, due to the nature of the class, are ALWAYS going to be GREAT at PvP. They have the largest variety of stuns, crowd controls, interrupts, and movement slows available in the game. (except for maybe a warrior). But, on top of that, they put forth incredible ammounts of damage in short periods of time, AND they can stealth.

 

I see the problem though. You picked a Rogue. Rogues are very hard to learn. And, judging from your writing, you are a complete imbecile, so this is probably why your experience playing a rogue sucked. Not to mention the fact that you did not play the game long enough to be able to learn the intricate mechanics of how to be good with your class. Perhaps you should try the game again as a Death Knight. You can literally smash buttons on your keyboard and perform well with that class.

 

Oh and the part about "taking out twinks" is simply a lie. It isnt true at all, and I have no idea where you would get such a crazy stupid idea. I bet you probably just heard it somewhere and spit it out here without even verifying that it was true.

Rogues are very hard to learn? You should have draped that statement with considerably more sarcasm to make yourself clearer.

[Myweponsg00d]

My opinion is valid regardless of how arrogant your are.

I don't like the arena and I don't like raiding.

Not everybody does and WOW isn't my game anymore.

Blizzard doesn't give a rat's [wagon] about BGs. (the part I liked)

They took out twinks which is like banning pures in RS. (so much for something to do after getting 1 toon to 80)

Then they made a moronic griefing system for the 15 yr olds at BGs to vote you out because a few [developmentally delayed]s afk for second rate gear. (cant get 1st rate gear cause that would offend the raiders, booohooo)

So much for lone wolf rogue behind enemy lines flag stealing and assassination. (my favorite thing to do)

Its obvious they don't need those things, so If somebody wants to try WOW and they find they don't like raiding then don't pony up for another month cause frankly thats all there is to the game.

Thats a very vaild opinion and good advice, regardless of what you think.

 

So little of what you said even makes sense about World of Warcraft, and I'd hate for anyone to make the mistake of reading any of your posts and thinking they are true so:

 

*WoW is not "horribly imbalanced" in favor of Paladins. Right now, the most powerful PvP class is Warrior (arguably overpowered) and Paladins are really quite balanced. However they will always be popular for PvP because they (along with druids) are a class designed around versatility. People think Pallys are over powered because they always do well. Well, by nature of their class, they SHOULD always do "well". However, they are never at the very top.

*You regret making a rogue because they "are useless in instances". I cant even do anything but LAUGH at this statement. Rogues are number 2 or 3 right now in top DPS classes (DPS=damage per second). Their damage is only competitive with Mages and Hunters right now, and they are far ahead of Warlocks. All the other "hybrid" classes are far behind those 4 (because they are not pure DPS classes)

 

*You are complaining about Battlegrounds, as a ROGUE. This is the absolute most ridiculous thing ever. Rogues, due to the nature of the class, are ALWAYS going to be GREAT at PvP. They have the largest variety of stuns, crowd controls, interrupts, and movement slows available in the game. (except for maybe a warrior). But, on top of that, they put forth incredible ammounts of damage in short periods of time, AND they can stealth.

 

I see the problem though. You picked a Rogue. Rogues are very hard to learn. And, judging from your writing, you are a complete imbecile, so this is probably why your experience playing a rogue sucked. Not to mention the fact that you did not play the game long enough to be able to learn the intricate mechanics of how to be good with your class. Perhaps you should try the game again as a Death Knight. You can literally smash buttons on your keyboard and perform well with that class.

 

Oh and the part about "taking out twinks" is simply a lie. It isnt true at all, and I have no idea where you would get such a crazy stupid idea. I bet you probably just heard it somewhere and spit it out here without even verifying that it was true.

Rogues are very hard to learn? You should have draped that statement with considerably more sarcasm to make yourself clearer.

 

Well maybe I should rephrase it to "Rogues are hard to learn how to play WELL". Nothing in itself is "hard to learn" I suppose because whatever class you are, you can just walk right up to it and mash buttons and evertually it will probably die.

 

But really, to do well with a rogue, takes time, intelligence, skill, and determination. They are a finesse class, especially when it comes to PvP. If you just randomly bust out of stealth and start Sinister Striking your oponent, your flimsy Leather-wearing butt is going to get exploded by any Pally, Warrior, DK, or even a fellow Rogue. If you don't learn the finesse of using your character, youll get constantly dominated, and then nerdrage about "OMG GAME IS IMBALANCED" just like trembake.

 

Rogues take a lot of damage, and in order to survive they have to rely on very long cooldowns to not get chopped down in 3 globals. They aren't like a DK where their armor will mitigate a ton of physical damage and then they can self heal.

 

Rogues have no self healing, they are restricted to the second lowest level of armor, they are only effective with melee combat (meaning that they have to be close to the powerhouse plate wearers to kill them, they cant just kite a Pally all day like a Mage can) and rogue PvP revolves around careful timing of a wide range of effects like stuns, disarms, and interrupts.

 

Not sure how you can consider this "easy" to learn.

[Avernix]

My opinion is valid regardless of how arrogant your are.

I don't like the arena and I don't like raiding.

Not everybody does and WOW isn't my game anymore.

Blizzard doesn't give a rat's [wagon] about BGs. (the part I liked)

They took out twinks which is like banning pures in RS. (so much for something to do after getting 1 toon to 80)

Then they made a moronic griefing system for the 15 yr olds at BGs to vote you out because a few [developmentally delayed]s afk for second rate gear. (cant get 1st rate gear cause that would offend the raiders, booohooo)

So much for lone wolf rogue behind enemy lines flag stealing and assassination. (my favorite thing to do)

Its obvious they don't need those things, so If somebody wants to try WOW and they find they don't like raiding then don't pony up for another month cause frankly thats all there is to the game.

Thats a very vaild opinion and good advice, regardless of what you think.

 

So little of what you said even makes sense about World of Warcraft, and I'd hate for anyone to make the mistake of reading any of your posts and thinking they are true so:

 

*WoW is not "horribly imbalanced" in favor of Paladins. Right now, the most powerful PvP class is Warrior (arguably overpowered) and Paladins are really quite balanced. However they will always be popular for PvP because they (along with druids) are a class designed around versatility. People think Pallys are over powered because they always do well. Well, by nature of their class, they SHOULD always do "well". However, they are never at the very top.

*You regret making a rogue because they "are useless in instances". I cant even do anything but LAUGH at this statement. Rogues are number 2 or 3 right now in top DPS classes (DPS=damage per second). Their damage is only competitive with Mages and Hunters right now, and they are far ahead of Warlocks. All the other "hybrid" classes are far behind those 4 (because they are not pure DPS classes)

 

*You are complaining about Battlegrounds, as a ROGUE. This is the absolute most ridiculous thing ever. Rogues, due to the nature of the class, are ALWAYS going to be GREAT at PvP. They have the largest variety of stuns, crowd controls, interrupts, and movement slows available in the game. (except for maybe a warrior). But, on top of that, they put forth incredible ammounts of damage in short periods of time, AND they can stealth.

 

I see the problem though. You picked a Rogue. Rogues are very hard to learn. And, judging from your writing, you are a complete imbecile, so this is probably why your experience playing a rogue sucked. Not to mention the fact that you did not play the game long enough to be able to learn the intricate mechanics of how to be good with your class. Perhaps you should try the game again as a Death Knight. You can literally smash buttons on your keyboard and perform well with that class.

 

Oh and the part about "taking out twinks" is simply a lie. It isnt true at all, and I have no idea where you would get such a crazy stupid idea. I bet you probably just heard it somewhere and spit it out here without even verifying that it was true.

Rogues are very hard to learn? You should have draped that statement with considerably more sarcasm to make yourself clearer.

 

Well maybe I should rephrase it to "Rogues are hard to learn how to play WELL". Nothing in itself is "hard to learn" I suppose because whatever class you are, you can just walk right up to it and mash buttons and evertually it will probably die.

 

But really, to do well with a rogue, takes time, intelligence, skill, and determination. They are a finesse class, especially when it comes to PvP. If you just randomly bust out of stealth and start Sinister Striking your oponent, your flimsy Leather-wearing butt is going to get exploded by any Pally, Warrior, DK, or even a fellow Rogue. If you don't learn the finesse of using your character, youll get constantly dominated, and then nerdrage about "OMG GAME IS IMBALANCED" just like trembake.

 

Rogues take a lot of damage, and in order to survive they have to rely on very long cooldowns to not get chopped down in 3 globals. They aren't like a DK where their armor will mitigate a ton of physical damage and then they can self heal.

 

Rogues have no self healing, they are restricted to the second lowest level of armor, they are only effective with melee combat (meaning that they have to be close to the powerhouse plate wearers to kill them, they cant just kite a Pally all day like a Mage can) and rogue PvP revolves around careful timing of a wide range of effects like stuns, disarms, and interrupts.

 

Not sure how you can consider this "easy" to learn.

To be perfectly honest, I haven't touched the game in the newest expansion so the talent sets and such may have changed drastically with the most recent level cap, but I doubt it.

Also, my rogues were all alts, so I'm not necessarily claiming that I'm the most experience rogue expert of all time. But honestly gearing was the most difficult aspect of playing a rogue, and there was no difficulty to it. SnD and garrote rotations weren't exactly rocket surgery.

I stopped playing pretty early into sunwell, however I wasn't at all referring to pvp, considering it's more or less irrelevant....

[lenzius]

My opinion is valid regardless of how arrogant your are.

I don't like the arena and I don't like raiding.

Not everybody does and WOW isn't my game anymore.

Blizzard doesn't give a rat's [wagon] about BGs. (the part I liked)

They took out twinks which is like banning pures in RS. (so much for something to do after getting 1 toon to 80)

Then they made a moronic griefing system for the 15 yr olds at BGs to vote you out because a few [developmentally delayed]s afk for second rate gear. (cant get 1st rate gear cause that would offend the raiders, booohooo)

So much for lone wolf rogue behind enemy lines flag stealing and assassination. (my favorite thing to do)

Its obvious they don't need those things, so If somebody wants to try WOW and they find they don't like raiding then don't pony up for another month cause frankly thats all there is to the game.

Thats a very vaild opinion and good advice, regardless of what you think.

 

So little of what you said even makes sense about World of Warcraft, and I'd hate for anyone to make the mistake of reading any of your posts and thinking they are true so:

 

*WoW is not "horribly imbalanced" in favor of Paladins. Right now, the most powerful PvP class is Warrior (arguably overpowered) and Paladins are really quite balanced. However they will always be popular for PvP because they (along with druids) are a class designed around versatility. People think Pallys are over powered because they always do well. Well, by nature of their class, they SHOULD always do "well". However, they are never at the very top.

*You regret making a rogue because they "are useless in instances". I cant even do anything but LAUGH at this statement. Rogues are number 2 or 3 right now in top DPS classes (DPS=damage per second). Their damage is only competitive with Mages and Hunters right now, and they are far ahead of Warlocks. All the other "hybrid" classes are far behind those 4 (because they are not pure DPS classes)

 

*You are complaining about Battlegrounds, as a ROGUE. This is the absolute most ridiculous thing ever. Rogues, due to the nature of the class, are ALWAYS going to be GREAT at PvP. They have the largest variety of stuns, crowd controls, interrupts, and movement slows available in the game. (except for maybe a warrior). But, on top of that, they put forth incredible ammounts of damage in short periods of time, AND they can stealth.

 

I see the problem though. You picked a Rogue. Rogues are very hard to learn. And, judging from your writing, you are a complete imbecile, so this is probably why your experience playing a rogue sucked. Not to mention the fact that you did not play the game long enough to be able to learn the intricate mechanics of how to be good with your class. Perhaps you should try the game again as a Death Knight. You can literally smash buttons on your keyboard and perform well with that class.

 

Oh and the part about "taking out twinks" is simply a lie. It isnt true at all, and I have no idea where you would get such a crazy stupid idea. I bet you probably just heard it somewhere and spit it out here without even verifying that it was true.

Rogues are very hard to learn? You should have draped that statement with considerably more sarcasm to make yourself clearer.

 

Well maybe I should rephrase it to "Rogues are hard to learn how to play WELL". Nothing in itself is "hard to learn" I suppose because whatever class you are, you can just walk right up to it and mash buttons and evertually it will probably die.

 

But really, to do well with a rogue, takes time, intelligence, skill, and determination. They are a finesse class, especially when it comes to PvP. If you just randomly bust out of stealth and start Sinister Striking your oponent, your flimsy Leather-wearing butt is going to get exploded by any Pally, Warrior, DK, or even a fellow Rogue. If you don't learn the finesse of using your character, youll get constantly dominated, and then nerdrage about "OMG GAME IS IMBALANCED" just like trembake.

 

Rogues take a lot of damage, and in order to survive they have to rely on very long cooldowns to not get chopped down in 3 globals. They aren't like a DK where their armor will mitigate a ton of physical damage and then they can self heal.

 

Rogues have no self healing, they are restricted to the second lowest level of armor, they are only effective with melee combat (meaning that they have to be close to the powerhouse plate wearers to kill them, they cant just kite a Pally all day like a Mage can) and rogue PvP revolves around careful timing of a wide range of effects like stuns, disarms, and interrupts.

 

Not sure how you can consider this "easy" to learn.

To be perfectly honest, I haven't touched the game in the newest expansion so the talent sets and such may have changed drastically with the most recent level cap, but I doubt it.

Also, my rogues were all alts, so I'm not necessarily claiming that I'm the most experience rogue expert of all time. But honestly gearing was the most difficult aspect of playing a rogue, and there was no difficulty to it. SnD and garrote rotations weren't exactly rocket surgery.

I stopped playing pretty early into sunwell, however I wasn't at all referring to pvp, considering it's more or less irrelevant....

Okay, I guess I will chime in on my own thread here... lol. Many look what a discussion this has turned into... lol. I did try a rogue as my first real main. I abandoned it at level 40 or so. It is a really slow leveling process. It uses lots of stealtjh, but has incredible DPS capabilities. I do understand how someone could complain about this class, mainly because it is a very detailed class.

[Avernix]

My opinion is valid regardless of how arrogant your are.

I don't like the arena and I don't like raiding.

Not everybody does and WOW isn't my game anymore.

Blizzard doesn't give a rat's [wagon] about BGs. (the part I liked)

They took out twinks which is like banning pures in RS. (so much for something to do after getting 1 toon to 80)

Then they made a moronic griefing system for the 15 yr olds at BGs to vote you out because a few [developmentally delayed]s afk for second rate gear. (cant get 1st rate gear cause that would offend the raiders, booohooo)

So much for lone wolf rogue behind enemy lines flag stealing and assassination. (my favorite thing to do)

Its obvious they don't need those things, so If somebody wants to try WOW and they find they don't like raiding then don't pony up for another month cause frankly thats all there is to the game.

Thats a very vaild opinion and good advice, regardless of what you think.

 

So little of what you said even makes sense about World of Warcraft, and I'd hate for anyone to make the mistake of reading any of your posts and thinking they are true so:

 

*WoW is not "horribly imbalanced" in favor of Paladins. Right now, the most powerful PvP class is Warrior (arguably overpowered) and Paladins are really quite balanced. However they will always be popular for PvP because they (along with druids) are a class designed around versatility. People think Pallys are over powered because they always do well. Well, by nature of their class, they SHOULD always do "well". However, they are never at the very top.

*You regret making a rogue because they "are useless in instances". I cant even do anything but LAUGH at this statement. Rogues are number 2 or 3 right now in top DPS classes (DPS=damage per second). Their damage is only competitive with Mages and Hunters right now, and they are far ahead of Warlocks. All the other "hybrid" classes are far behind those 4 (because they are not pure DPS classes)

 

*You are complaining about Battlegrounds, as a ROGUE. This is the absolute most ridiculous thing ever. Rogues, due to the nature of the class, are ALWAYS going to be GREAT at PvP. They have the largest variety of stuns, crowd controls, interrupts, and movement slows available in the game. (except for maybe a warrior). But, on top of that, they put forth incredible ammounts of damage in short periods of time, AND they can stealth.

 

I see the problem though. You picked a Rogue. Rogues are very hard to learn. And, judging from your writing, you are a complete imbecile, so this is probably why your experience playing a rogue sucked. Not to mention the fact that you did not play the game long enough to be able to learn the intricate mechanics of how to be good with your class. Perhaps you should try the game again as a Death Knight. You can literally smash buttons on your keyboard and perform well with that class.

 

Oh and the part about "taking out twinks" is simply a lie. It isnt true at all, and I have no idea where you would get such a crazy stupid idea. I bet you probably just heard it somewhere and spit it out here without even verifying that it was true.

Rogues are very hard to learn? You should have draped that statement with considerably more sarcasm to make yourself clearer.

 

Well maybe I should rephrase it to "Rogues are hard to learn how to play WELL". Nothing in itself is "hard to learn" I suppose because whatever class you are, you can just walk right up to it and mash buttons and evertually it will probably die.

 

But really, to do well with a rogue, takes time, intelligence, skill, and determination. They are a finesse class, especially when it comes to PvP. If you just randomly bust out of stealth and start Sinister Striking your oponent, your flimsy Leather-wearing butt is going to get exploded by any Pally, Warrior, DK, or even a fellow Rogue. If you don't learn the finesse of using your character, youll get constantly dominated, and then nerdrage about "OMG GAME IS IMBALANCED" just like trembake.

 

Rogues take a lot of damage, and in order to survive they have to rely on very long cooldowns to not get chopped down in 3 globals. They aren't like a DK where their armor will mitigate a ton of physical damage and then they can self heal.

 

Rogues have no self healing, they are restricted to the second lowest level of armor, they are only effective with melee combat (meaning that they have to be close to the powerhouse plate wearers to kill them, they cant just kite a Pally all day like a Mage can) and rogue PvP revolves around careful timing of a wide range of effects like stuns, disarms, and interrupts.

 

Not sure how you can consider this "easy" to learn.

To be perfectly honest, I haven't touched the game in the newest expansion so the talent sets and such may have changed drastically with the most recent level cap, but I doubt it.

Also, my rogues were all alts, so I'm not necessarily claiming that I'm the most experience rogue expert of all time. But honestly gearing was the most difficult aspect of playing a rogue, and there was no difficulty to it. SnD and garrote rotations weren't exactly rocket surgery.

I stopped playing pretty early into sunwell, however I wasn't at all referring to pvp, considering it's more or less irrelevant....

Okay, I guess I will chime in on my own thread here... lol. Many look what a discussion this has turned into... lol. I did try a rogue as my first real main. I abandoned it at level 40 or so. It is a really slow leveling process. It uses lots of stealtjh, but has incredible DPS capabilities. I do understand how someone could complain about this class, mainly because it is a very detailed class.

If it's a detailed class currently, then it's the exact opposite of when I played.

Prior to the DW Fury warrior update, which was between tier 2 and 2.5, rogues could practically get their *full* potential DPS using three buttons.

With add-ons, timing wasn't all that intricate.

I admit it is possible that the end game strategy is different, I still wholeheartedly doubt that it's changed that much.

[elucin8er]

[hide=quotes]

 

My opinion is valid regardless of how arrogant your are.

I don't like the arena and I don't like raiding.

Not everybody does and WOW isn't my game anymore.

Blizzard doesn't give a rat's [wagon] about BGs. (the part I liked)

They took out twinks which is like banning pures in RS. (so much for something to do after getting 1 toon to 80)

Then they made a moronic griefing system for the 15 yr olds at BGs to vote you out because a few [developmentally delayed]s afk for second rate gear. (cant get 1st rate gear cause that would offend the raiders, booohooo)

So much for lone wolf rogue behind enemy lines flag stealing and assassination. (my favorite thing to do)

Its obvious they don't need those things, so If somebody wants to try WOW and they find they don't like raiding then don't pony up for another month cause frankly thats all there is to the game.

Thats a very vaild opinion and good advice, regardless of what you think.

 

So little of what you said even makes sense about World of Warcraft, and I'd hate for anyone to make the mistake of reading any of your posts and thinking they are true so:

 

*WoW is not "horribly imbalanced" in favor of Paladins. Right now, the most powerful PvP class is Warrior (arguably overpowered) and Paladins are really quite balanced. However they will always be popular for PvP because they (along with druids) are a class designed around versatility. People think Pallys are over powered because they always do well. Well, by nature of their class, they SHOULD always do "well". However, they are never at the very top.

*You regret making a rogue because they "are useless in instances". I cant even do anything but LAUGH at this statement. Rogues are number 2 or 3 right now in top DPS classes (DPS=damage per second). Their damage is only competitive with Mages and Hunters right now, and they are far ahead of Warlocks. All the other "hybrid" classes are far behind those 4 (because they are not pure DPS classes)

 

*You are complaining about Battlegrounds, as a ROGUE. This is the absolute most ridiculous thing ever. Rogues, due to the nature of the class, are ALWAYS going to be GREAT at PvP. They have the largest variety of stuns, crowd controls, interrupts, and movement slows available in the game. (except for maybe a warrior). But, on top of that, they put forth incredible ammounts of damage in short periods of time, AND they can stealth.

 

I see the problem though. You picked a Rogue. Rogues are very hard to learn. And, judging from your writing, you are a complete imbecile, so this is probably why your experience playing a rogue sucked. Not to mention the fact that you did not play the game long enough to be able to learn the intricate mechanics of how to be good with your class. Perhaps you should try the game again as a Death Knight. You can literally smash buttons on your keyboard and perform well with that class.

 

Oh and the part about "taking out twinks" is simply a lie. It isnt true at all, and I have no idea where you would get such a crazy stupid idea. I bet you probably just heard it somewhere and spit it out here without even verifying that it was true.

Rogues are very hard to learn? You should have draped that statement with considerably more sarcasm to make yourself clearer.

 

Well maybe I should rephrase it to "Rogues are hard to learn how to play WELL". Nothing in itself is "hard to learn" I suppose because whatever class you are, you can just walk right up to it and mash buttons and evertually it will probably die.

 

But really, to do well with a rogue, takes time, intelligence, skill, and determination. They are a finesse class, especially when it comes to PvP. If you just randomly bust out of stealth and start Sinister Striking your oponent, your flimsy Leather-wearing butt is going to get exploded by any Pally, Warrior, DK, or even a fellow Rogue. If you don't learn the finesse of using your character, youll get constantly dominated, and then nerdrage about "OMG GAME IS IMBALANCED" just like trembake.

 

Rogues take a lot of damage, and in order to survive they have to rely on very long cooldowns to not get chopped down in 3 globals. They aren't like a DK where their armor will mitigate a ton of physical damage and then they can self heal.

 

Rogues have no self healing, they are restricted to the second lowest level of armor, they are only effective with melee combat (meaning that they have to be close to the powerhouse plate wearers to kill them, they cant just kite a Pally all day like a Mage can) and rogue PvP revolves around careful timing of a wide range of effects like stuns, disarms, and interrupts.

 

Not sure how you can consider this "easy" to learn.

To be perfectly honest, I haven't touched the game in the newest expansion so the talent sets and such may have changed drastically with the most recent level cap, but I doubt it.

Also, my rogues were all alts, so I'm not necessarily claiming that I'm the most experience rogue expert of all time. But honestly gearing was the most difficult aspect of playing a rogue, and there was no difficulty to it. SnD and garrote rotations weren't exactly rocket surgery.

I stopped playing pretty early into sunwell, however I wasn't at all referring to pvp, considering it's more or less irrelevant....

Okay, I guess I will chime in on my own thread here... lol. Many look what a discussion this has turned into... lol. I did try a rogue as my first real main. I abandoned it at level 40 or so. It is a really slow leveling process. It uses lots of stealtjh, but has incredible DPS capabilities. I do understand how someone could complain about this class, mainly because it is a very detailed class.

[/hide]

If it's a detailed class currently, then it's the exact opposite of when I played.

Prior to the DW Fury warrior update, which was between tier 2 and 2.5, rogues could practically get their *full* potential DPS using three buttons.

With add-ons, timing wasn't all that intricate.

I admit it is possible that the end game strategy is different, I still wholeheartedly doubt that it's changed that much.

 

Lol teir 2? Mages even had a 1 button frostbolt spam at teir 4, 3 buttons back then was a lot.

 

Nowdays it's much higher, as is everyones. And everyone finally has a proper rotation, not just hunters. I'm not sure what it is now as I haven't played a rogue, but it'll be a lot higher. My frostfire mage used about 7 in rotation, a long way from the 1 in the previous expansion.

[Cloud1924]

I only played WoW for the 10 day free trail, and I have to say it was a much different experience than most people's here. I found it entertaining, and the higher leveled players I ran into helped me a lot, and not just helped, they OFFERED to. Which I found nice. One of the only reasons I didn't stick with WoW after the 10 day trail was that being maxed on RS (combat wise and with a lot of higher secondary skills) it felt...Strange to have to start from the beginning again.

 

But overall even after only playing for 10 days, I liked the game. The leveling was decently easy too. I got to level 20 (or was it 15? whatever the max was) in way less time than the free trail gave me, lol. So I can see why people like the game, but personally I can't leave RS, even after quitting lots of times, sometimes for more than a year, I always come back.

[Myweponsg00d]

If it's a detailed class currently, then it's the exact opposite of when I played.

Prior to the DW Fury warrior update, which was between tier 2 and 2.5, rogues could practically get their *full* potential DPS using three buttons.

With add-ons, timing wasn't all that intricate.

I admit it is possible that the end game strategy is different, I still wholeheartedly doubt that it's changed that much.

 

You're talking about PvE or raiding, where the only "difficult" thing is doing all the reasearch to find the perfect gear and perfect rotation. For ANY class, raid DPS is simple. All you do is press your rotation. A series of those bobbing birds could press the keys and it wouldn't be different from you playing it.

 

What I am speaking of is PvP. It is the only thing in the game that is actually "hard", because PvE is always consistent. Once you learn rotations and tactics, you are all set to raid. PvP is a challenge and this is where rogues are hard to play. If you don't know what you are doing, youll get torn up by any facerolling ret pally or death knight.

 

But if you truly master the class you can excel above others in Arenas and Battlegrounds.

 

I'm not sure how you thought my remarks were regarded towards raiding as I kept saying how easily other people will kill you if you dont know how to play a Rogue. Perhaps you just didn't read that part, or any of my posts at all. From what it seems you saw the word "Rogue" and went "OMG THATS WHAT I PLAYED" and then you saw the word "hard" and said "OMG IT WASNT HARD FOR ME TO KILL BOSSES THIS GUY IS AN IDIOT" then instantly disregarded the rest of what my post said.

 

But anyway, even to play a Rogue well in PvE, it does take some intelligence in order to maximize your DPS. This can be said to an extent for any class...but really rogues require a lot more research than most classes.

[Pr3c1pit0us]

Rogues are very hard to learn? You should have draped that statement with considerably more sarcasm to make yourself clearer.

They're hard to learn if you want to do more than kill one player before you die again.

[Avernix]

[hide=quotes]

 

My opinion is valid regardless of how arrogant your are.

I don't like the arena and I don't like raiding.

Not everybody does and WOW isn't my game anymore.

Blizzard doesn't give a rat's [wagon] about BGs. (the part I liked)

They took out twinks which is like banning pures in RS. (so much for something to do after getting 1 toon to 80)

Then they made a moronic griefing system for the 15 yr olds at BGs to vote you out because a few [developmentally delayed]s afk for second rate gear. (cant get 1st rate gear cause that would offend the raiders, booohooo)

So much for lone wolf rogue behind enemy lines flag stealing and assassination. (my favorite thing to do)

Its obvious they don't need those things, so If somebody wants to try WOW and they find they don't like raiding then don't pony up for another month cause frankly thats all there is to the game.

Thats a very vaild opinion and good advice, regardless of what you think.

 

So little of what you said even makes sense about World of Warcraft, and I'd hate for anyone to make the mistake of reading any of your posts and thinking they are true so:

 

*WoW is not "horribly imbalanced" in favor of Paladins. Right now, the most powerful PvP class is Warrior (arguably overpowered) and Paladins are really quite balanced. However they will always be popular for PvP because they (along with druids) are a class designed around versatility. People think Pallys are over powered because they always do well. Well, by nature of their class, they SHOULD always do "well". However, they are never at the very top.

*You regret making a rogue because they "are useless in instances". I cant even do anything but LAUGH at this statement. Rogues are number 2 or 3 right now in top DPS classes (DPS=damage per second). Their damage is only competitive with Mages and Hunters right now, and they are far ahead of Warlocks. All the other "hybrid" classes are far behind those 4 (because they are not pure DPS classes)

 

*You are complaining about Battlegrounds, as a ROGUE. This is the absolute most ridiculous thing ever. Rogues, due to the nature of the class, are ALWAYS going to be GREAT at PvP. They have the largest variety of stuns, crowd controls, interrupts, and movement slows available in the game. (except for maybe a warrior). But, on top of that, they put forth incredible ammounts of damage in short periods of time, AND they can stealth.

 

I see the problem though. You picked a Rogue. Rogues are very hard to learn. And, judging from your writing, you are a complete imbecile, so this is probably why your experience playing a rogue sucked. Not to mention the fact that you did not play the game long enough to be able to learn the intricate mechanics of how to be good with your class. Perhaps you should try the game again as a Death Knight. You can literally smash buttons on your keyboard and perform well with that class.

 

Oh and the part about "taking out twinks" is simply a lie. It isnt true at all, and I have no idea where you would get such a crazy stupid idea. I bet you probably just heard it somewhere and spit it out here without even verifying that it was true.

Rogues are very hard to learn? You should have draped that statement with considerably more sarcasm to make yourself clearer.

 

Well maybe I should rephrase it to "Rogues are hard to learn how to play WELL". Nothing in itself is "hard to learn" I suppose because whatever class you are, you can just walk right up to it and mash buttons and evertually it will probably die.

 

But really, to do well with a rogue, takes time, intelligence, skill, and determination. They are a finesse class, especially when it comes to PvP. If you just randomly bust out of stealth and start Sinister Striking your oponent, your flimsy Leather-wearing butt is going to get exploded by any Pally, Warrior, DK, or even a fellow Rogue. If you don't learn the finesse of using your character, youll get constantly dominated, and then nerdrage about "OMG GAME IS IMBALANCED" just like trembake.

 

Rogues take a lot of damage, and in order to survive they have to rely on very long cooldowns to not get chopped down in 3 globals. They aren't like a DK where their armor will mitigate a ton of physical damage and then they can self heal.

 

Rogues have no self healing, they are restricted to the second lowest level of armor, they are only effective with melee combat (meaning that they have to be close to the powerhouse plate wearers to kill them, they cant just kite a Pally all day like a Mage can) and rogue PvP revolves around careful timing of a wide range of effects like stuns, disarms, and interrupts.

 

Not sure how you can consider this "easy" to learn.

To be perfectly honest, I haven't touched the game in the newest expansion so the talent sets and such may have changed drastically with the most recent level cap, but I doubt it.

Also, my rogues were all alts, so I'm not necessarily claiming that I'm the most experience rogue expert of all time. But honestly gearing was the most difficult aspect of playing a rogue, and there was no difficulty to it. SnD and garrote rotations weren't exactly rocket surgery.

I stopped playing pretty early into sunwell, however I wasn't at all referring to pvp, considering it's more or less irrelevant....

Okay, I guess I will chime in on my own thread here... lol. Many look what a discussion this has turned into... lol. I did try a rogue as my first real main. I abandoned it at level 40 or so. It is a really slow leveling process. It uses lots of stealtjh, but has incredible DPS capabilities. I do understand how someone could complain about this class, mainly because it is a very detailed class.

[/hide]

If it's a detailed class currently, then it's the exact opposite of when I played.

Prior to the DW Fury warrior update, which was between tier 2 and 2.5, rogues could practically get their *full* potential DPS using three buttons.

With add-ons, timing wasn't all that intricate.

I admit it is possible that the end game strategy is different, I still wholeheartedly doubt that it's changed that much.

 

Lol teir 2? Mages even had a 1 button frostbolt spam at teir 4, 3 buttons back then was a lot.

 

Nowdays it's much higher, as is everyones. And everyone finally has a proper rotation, not just hunters. I'm not sure what it is now as I haven't played a rogue, but it'll be a lot higher. My frostfire mage used about 7 in rotation, a long way from the 1 in the previous expansion.

Tier 4 was right after TBC was released, and the frost tree was nerfed. So it was primarily deep fire until Sunwell when Arcane became popular for mana conservation.

I was referring to rogues topping DPS charts in *competitive* raiding using three buttons.

 

If it's a detailed class currently, then it's the exact opposite of when I played.

Prior to the DW Fury warrior update, which was between tier 2 and 2.5, rogues could practically get their *full* potential DPS using three buttons.

With add-ons, timing wasn't all that intricate.

I admit it is possible that the end game strategy is different, I still wholeheartedly doubt that it's changed that much.

 

You're talking about PvE or raiding, where the only "difficult" thing is doing all the reasearch to find the perfect gear and perfect rotation. For ANY class, raid DPS is simple. All you do is press your rotation. A series of those bobbing birds could press the keys and it wouldn't be different from you playing it.

 

What I am speaking of is PvP. It is the only thing in the game that is actually "hard", because PvE is always consistent. Once you learn rotations and tactics, you are all set to raid. PvP is a challenge and this is where rogues are hard to play. If you don't know what you are doing, youll get torn up by any facerolling ret pally or death knight.

 

But if you truly master the class you can excel above others in Arenas and Battlegrounds.

 

I'm not sure how you thought my remarks were regarded towards raiding as I kept saying how easily other people will kill you if you dont know how to play a Rogue. Perhaps you just didn't read that part, or any of my posts at all. From what it seems you saw the word "Rogue" and went "OMG THATS WHAT I PLAYED" and then you saw the word "hard" and said "OMG IT WASNT HARD FOR ME TO KILL BOSSES THIS GUY IS AN IDIOT" then instantly disregarded the rest of what my post said.

 

But anyway, even to play a Rogue well in PvE, it does take some intelligence in order to maximize your DPS. This can be said to an extent for any class...but really rogues require a lot more research than most classes.

Really, high-end arena(1800/1900+) is rounded off considerably more than competitive raiding.

Arena is practically based entirely upon class composition, and once you break into the ratings where you play people that don't suck, the skill differential is minimal to non-existant.

Like I said, if you played a rogue as your main, you're likely considerably more knowledgeable than I am on the specific class.

However, arena is just as serialized. You use the same strategies, depending on the class composition of their team, just like different strategies for different bosses.

You use terrain, and pop your cooldowns in emergency. The only difference is if you're playing in the scrub ratings, where there are occasionally good new teams and it varies.

Raiding competitively requires you to literally play perfect in most cases, as bosses are eventually nerfed to make them considerably more farmable along with waiting for guides, which is what I assume you're referring to. =\

Ragnaros V1, Vael originally, C'Thun, The Four Horsemen, Vashj, etc. were nearly impossible to beat, and completely impossible to farm. It was never the same fight twice in a row.

Overall, I'm just saying: The World of Roguecraft vidoes still sum up your common rogue.

 

Rogues are very hard to learn? You should have draped that statement with considerably more sarcasm to make yourself clearer.

They're hard to learn if you want to do more than kill one player before you die again.

I assume you're talking about PUGing battlegrounds? =p