Prodigal Son Returns

[chc05dude]

 

 

So in 3 months you cleared all raid content, and seeing as you say you got to 70 that means defeating Illidin, No, you didn't. Raid content can only be done once a week, and even if you powered to 70 within a week, 11 weeks, i.e, 11 raid resets, is NOT enough time. Your post is a lie, or you are unaware of what the game actually entails. This also means you played arena and hit the 1.9k + rating, No, you didn't. I'm not saying you can't, I'm saying in 3 months you can't. By mastering the game, you must mean you got max level, this only means once you reach max level, you are ready to BEGIN playing the game. If you do this and attempt some of the harder end bosses, you'll notice that it is quite possibly a harder task for the younger generation.

 

As an 80 priest in a guild with TotC 10 and 25 cleared, I'd like to just back up nerdboy's opinion. I mean, he has no right to what he is saying, because all he has done is level and BG, but he's still able to see that WoW is a borefest. Been playing that game here and there ever since Fall 06. I quit before BC came out because I thought the game sucked. When the new expansion came, I got an email for a free trial. Thought some things seemed more promising after trying it, bought a month, leveled to 80 and started to clear Naxx and quit because of what a joke raiding became. A friend convinced me to start again and I think the current raid content is fun, but still a shadow of what it could be. Also the game has become ridiculously simple.

 

But anyway I'm geared for the final raid of this expansion, Icecrown. The patch is supposed to hit Tuesday, and honestly I can say that if the Icecrown raid does not show significant improvement from the quality of the rest of the content thus far, this will be my last month of WoW. Raiding used to be a fun challenge, but anymore its just a bore task. The bosses are so easy that the only reason people raid is to get gear. It used to be a fun and challenging experience where the gear was just a nice reward, not the main point of the trip. Nowadays people act like you are a noob if you don't have every single piece of your equipment at the current highest raid level. Sorry, but some of us do not find it enjoyable to kill the same bosses every single week and spend 10-15 hours a week in the repetative raid borefest, sitting around and just waiting for your luck to turn out so you get the gear.

 

Also Arenas are completely terrible these days. If you aren't the right class, or one of your friends isnt, then one of you is going to have to make a new character just so your teams can work well in arenas.

 

 

And last but not least, its so gay how the "Server" system works. I understand that it is how most RPGs work...but I love Runescapes system so much. If I meet someone IRL and find out they play WoW its always like "Oh, you play?? Sweet! Wait...what server?" And then they are on a different server than you, and you can't play together unless you pay 25 dollars for a transfer, or you take a month and level a new character on their server. The whole game is just not very conducive to fun. It can be very addicting and very time consuming....but if you take a moment and just look at your gear and say "Wait....WHY am I about to commit 3 hours of my life to clear this raid again??" Sometimes youll realize that you really arent having any fun at all.

This post is refreshing. The actual wow community would be like "DITCH FRIENDS, GAIN RATING!" What has happened is they made raiding very easy, everyone feels entitled. It's like the self-esteem generation where they priased people even though they didn't really accomplish anything, and they turned into the doubhbag generation. WoW is full of those types because of the easy gear.

[elucin8er]

 

 

So in 3 months you cleared all raid content, and seeing as you say you got to 70 that means defeating Illidin, No, you didn't. Raid content can only be done once a week, and even if you powered to 70 within a week, 11 weeks, i.e, 11 raid resets, is NOT enough time. Your post is a lie, or you are unaware of what the game actually entails. This also means you played arena and hit the 1.9k + rating, No, you didn't. I'm not saying you can't, I'm saying in 3 months you can't. By mastering the game, you must mean you got max level, this only means once you reach max level, you are ready to BEGIN playing the game. If you do this and attempt some of the harder end bosses, you'll notice that it is quite possibly a harder task for the younger generation.

 

As an 80 priest in a guild with TotC 10 and 25 cleared, I'd like to just back up nerdboy's opinion. I mean, he has no right to what he is saying, because all he has done is level and BG, but he's still able to see that WoW is a borefest. Been playing that game here and there ever since Fall 06. I quit before BC came out because I thought the game sucked. When the new expansion came, I got an email for a free trial. Thought some things seemed more promising after trying it, bought a month, leveled to 80 and started to clear Naxx and quit because of what a joke raiding became. A friend convinced me to start again and I think the current raid content is fun, but still a shadow of what it could be. Also the game has become ridiculously simple.

 

But anyway I'm geared for the final raid of this expansion, Icecrown. The patch is supposed to hit Tuesday, and honestly I can say that if the Icecrown raid does not show significant improvement from the quality of the rest of the content thus far, this will be my last month of WoW. Raiding used to be a fun challenge, but anymore its just a bore task. The bosses are so easy that the only reason people raid is to get gear. It used to be a fun and challenging experience where the gear was just a nice reward, not the main point of the trip. Nowadays people act like you are a noob if you don't have every single piece of your equipment at the current highest raid level. Sorry, but some of us do not find it enjoyable to kill the same bosses every single week and spend 10-15 hours a week in the repetative raid borefest, sitting around and just waiting for your luck to turn out so you get the gear.

 

Also Arenas are completely terrible these days. If you aren't the right class, or one of your friends isnt, then one of you is going to have to make a new character just so your teams can work well in arenas.

 

 

And last but not least, its so gay how the "Server" system works. I understand that it is how most RPGs work...but I love Runescapes system so much. If I meet someone IRL and find out they play WoW its always like "Oh, you play?? Sweet! Wait...what server?" And then they are on a different server than you, and you can't play together unless you pay 25 dollars for a transfer, or you take a month and level a new character on their server. The whole game is just not very conducive to fun. It can be very addicting and very time consuming....but if you take a moment and just look at your gear and say "Wait....WHY am I about to commit 3 hours of my life to clear this raid again??" Sometimes youll realize that you really arent having any fun at all.

 

You must understand the context of the initial post, instead of taking a stab at WoW. The dicussion was about age groups and games. I am not supporting either game, and as you can see here I am an avid player of Runescape, and retired on WoW. The stab was at "mastering" the game, and nerdboy claimed he was yet to see a 12 year old kid not, I quote, know WoW inside out within a month. I rejected that claim as rubbish, saying no-one can know WoW inside out until heavy raid progression and end game arena. And considering you can only do each raid once a week, this claim seems ridiculous.

 

EDIT - Furthermore to reply to your post, although it has no relevance between mine and nerdboys dicussion, is your simplicity claim of the game. I no-lifed wotlk to 80 in a week, and delved into naxx at 1.3k sp healing without knowing the fights. I can assure you, it was tough as I had no idea about any boss fight. The claim of simplicity is for those who decide to look up the strategies, much the same as those who look up the guides to Runescape quests ( myself included ). The game is not easy, and nor are many of the Runescape quests. If you were to have a go with a group and learn every aspect yourself, I can assure you it would be highly enjoyable. No-one has the right to target companies such as Jagex and Blizzard for their difficulty if they themselves do not learn the content themselves.

 

I agree with your arena claim, although please understand it is HARD to balance a game. Blizzard produced the most balanced game of all time - Starcraft BW, so if anyone has a shot at a balanced engine it is these guys. A game with so many components will naturally struggle to balance perfectly, and slight adjustments can alter the system dramatically leading to an upset community. Slow steps must be taken, and content must, and is, vigorously tested before release. It is frustrating I agree, but I understand the difficulty within it.

 

Your final point on server layouts is a good one, although It can't be helped. This is why Runescape is such an appealing game, as the entire community can bond. Fortunetly for me, I only play WoW with real life friends, so I am not bothered by the system, although I can understand the frustration it brings.

[Myweponsg00d]

This post is refreshing. The actual wow community would be like "DITCH FRIENDS, GAIN RATING!" What has happened is they made raiding very easy, everyone feels entitled. It's like the self-esteem generation where they priased people even though they didn't really accomplish anything, and they turned into the doubhbag generation. WoW is full of those types because of the easy gear.

 

Yeah...you make a good point equating it to RL. Raids were fun when the main goal was accomplishable by everybody: down the bosses. Now the main goal is to get your lucky drops. Turns it away from a game of skill and turns it into a game of waiting/luck. At least in RS you can put in 100 hours of time and get a ton of exp for your troubles. In WoW you might spend 100 hours raiding and be 50% "geared up". Whats worse is that eventually, the gear you stressed so hard over is going to be worthless when patches come out. Theres just no method of playing the game for an endless ammount of time and actually getting anywhere. RS you can level a bunch of skills and ranks, etc....and more gold is always useful. In WoW you could put 500 hours into the game, then when the next expansion comes around your level 80 is gonna be a noob, his gear is going to be outdated, and his arena rating will be reset to zero for the new season. This would be okay if the game was actually difficult, challenging, or fun to play.

 

But in reality, its just easy and boring. A good MMO should have 1 of 2 things. 1) It should be hard/fun/exciting to play, but there is not an infinite level of "improvement" for your character. or 2) It could be an easier game, but at least the time you spend playing it isn't wasted.

 

WoW has none of this. Getting gear is easy, repetitive, takes a long time, and to make matters worse, you really dont get anywhere. For each raid patch, the gear level is reset now, so its not even like you are grinding 100s of hours for something that will end up being an incredible reward.

 

I dunno...I just dont get it. Same goes for Arenas also. If you have a good composition of classes on your team, youll get a high arena ranking by simply playing arena matches for awhile...you don't even have to be good to gain rating. Then once you gain the rating, the only teams you play against are the ones with a certain type of class make-up. That sure is fun, playing the same teams over and over...

[Myweponsg00d]

You must understand the context of the initial post, instead of taking a stab at WoW. The dicussion was about age groups and games. I am not supporting either game, and as you can see here I am an avid player of Runescape, and retired on WoW. The stab was at "mastering" the game, and nerdboy claimed he was yet to see a 12 year old kid not, I quote, know WoW inside out within a month. I rejected that claim as rubbish, saying no-one can know WoW inside out until heavy raid progression and end game arena. And considering you can only do each raid once a week, this claim seems ridiculous.

 

EDIT - Furthermore to reply to your post, although it has no relevance between mine and nerdboys dicussion, is your simplicity claim of the game. I no-lifed wotlk to 80 in a week, and delved into naxx at 1.3k sp healing without knowing the fights. I can assure you, it was tough as I had no idea about any boss fight. The claim of simplicity is for those who decide to look up the strategies, much the same as those who look up the guides to Runescape quests ( myself included ). The game is not easy, and nor are many of the Runescape quests. If you were to have a go with a group and learn every aspect yourself, I can assure you it would be highly enjoyable. No-one has the right to target companies such as Jagex and Blizzard for their difficulty if they themselves do not learn the content themselves.

 

I agree with your arena claim, although please understand it is HARD to balance a game. Blizzard produced the most balanced game of all time - Starcraft BW, so if anyone has a shot at a balanced engine it is these guys. A game with so many components will naturally struggle to balance perfectly, and slight adjustments can alter the system dramatically leading to an upset community. Slow steps must be taken, and content must, and is, vigorously tested before release. It is frustrating I agree, but I understand the difficulty within it.

 

Your final point on server layouts is a good one, although It can't be helped. This is why Runescape is such an appealing game, as the entire community can bond. Fortunetly for me, I only play WoW with real life friends, so I am not bothered by the system, although I can understand the frustration it brings.

 

Theres a difference between something being truly difficult and something being difficult despite the fact that you know a good strategy. The point of people saying the game has become "too easy" is that any fool can watch a video on boss strategy and then walk in and perform in the raid. Even if I would go through a raid without knowing any strategy, once I did it once the fight would be a piece of cake, and then the only reason to go back would be to farm it for gear. Raiding used to be a really challenging experience that required your full effort no matter how much you knew the strategy. In a lot of the recent raids, as long as you know what color of fire to step out of, when to stop casting, and what kind of large nova to step away from...youll be able to kill most bosses. One thing I can say though is that the recent addition of "Hard mode" content has been a lot nicer than the crapfest that Naxxramas was. In my opinion, all you need is to take the difficulty of these hard modes and make them into the difficulty of the final bosses of raids. Sure, it might mean that for the first month-two there aren't any kills on the last boss of a raid...but whats so bad about that? It would be refreshing to walk into a raid and be unsure about if we would down a certain boss.

 

Also I am aware that many of the problems about WoW are hard/impossible to fix. I'm not saying WoW needs to be fixed. Im just saying that the game kinda sucks.

[nerdboyxxx]

Look what I have started. Bring on the mayhem!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

 

And who said I didn't raid as well? I did heaps of crap in the space of 3 months. I wasted 3 months of my life on that game, to be precise. Every single day at least 4 hours playing non-stop. So you see why my opinions are slightly biased when I say that WoW isn't that great and isn't for older kids, but it isn't that hard at all.

 

I leave this thread with the hope that much rage is wrought upon virtual enemies. Words are your best weapons, men. Go forth!

[elucin8er]

Look what I have started. Bring on the mayhem!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

 

And who said I didn't raid as well? I did heaps of crap in the space of 3 months. I wasted 3 months of my life on that game, to be precise. Every single day at least 4 hours playing non-stop. So you see why my opinions are slightly biased when I say that WoW isn't that great and isn't for older kids, but it isn't that hard at all.

 

I leave this thread with the hope that much rage is wrought upon virtual enemies. Words are your best weapons, men. Go forth!

 

Lol I like you. Inc rsc freebies.

[Kevin_]

Rs got easy ever since RS2 was released.

Oh and WOW is a game you classify as more 'mature'? I lol'd.

[Reztral]

Runecrafting is still a pain :(

[Pie Naple]

I had played WoW for 6 months not a while back. I had gotten to 70 just before WOTLK came out and then went onto 80. Joined a guild, did every single raid that is including Sarth with 3 drakes, Naxx and EoE 25 etc. That was all in 6 months. Quit just after the new raids came out (Don't remember the name, the one where you get pieces to make a mace). Anyway, I quit because i realized that wow was not really worth playing. I mean, during those 6 month, my play time was like 33 days which is crazy..And that was not because i liked the game so much and played it a lot, but because it took so much time to do raids etc. I mean doing something like that for like 4 hours straight is a bit too much. And that's exactly what i like about Runescape - I can just pop on any time i want do some skilling,killing whatever and then pop off again if i have something that needs doing. When i played wow, i had to base my WORK SHIFTS around the game not the other way around...On rs, just get on and play as much as you feel like without the worry that you may not get that piece of gear that has a small chance of dropping.. So that's why i play Runescape again, it is just so much more convenient.

[fat_klutz]

I'm just wondering how hard it is to get good gear in RS when you're friend can just lend it to you.

[Danqazmlp]

I'm just wondering how hard it is to get good gear in RS when you're friend can just lend it to you.

 

Exactly the same as it was before Item lending (and after restricted trade). Lending one items at a time really not getting good gear, as usually it takes 2-3 items to make an outfit a good one, such as bandos with a GS, just one piece of bandos is fairly useless on its own, so you really have not got anything good very easily.

[lenzius]

First 20 or 30 levels are easy in alot of skills.

You just forgot that when you trying to get somewhere at 70+.

 

I played WOW for a few months.

I like PVP (battlegrounds and world setting) and hate raiding.

To be honest the community in WOW is much worse than here.

Its just packed full of obnoxius and arrogant teenagers.

Just imagine a bunch of [puncture]s telling you you fail on site because you dont have their exclusive gear which takes like 20 men to kill a carebear with the "elite symbol" around its name.

Maxing is pretty much the end of the game and it happens probably in the time it takes you to get all 60s in combat on this game.

 

LMAO "Elite Carebear" I love that!! I was not particularly fond of raiding myself. Now that the dungons have gotten begger and badder, it seems like in order to play, you are expected to be geared with impossible to obtain armor. Problem is that in order to get this armor you have to raid the big bad dungeon you can't get into since you do not have the armor. WoW had now become a big boys only club that new players have trouble raiding in.

[lenzius]

So in 3 months you cleared all raid content, and seeing as you say you got to 70 that means defeating Illidin, No, you didn't. Raid content can only be done once a week, and even if you powered to 70 within a week, 11 weeks, i.e, 11 raid resets, is NOT enough time. Your post is a lie, or you are unaware of what the game actually entails. This also means you played arena and hit the 1.9k + rating, No, you didn't. I'm not saying you can't, I'm saying in 3 months you can't. By mastering the game, you must mean you got max level, this only means once you reach max level, you are ready to BEGIN playing the game. If you do this and attempt some of the harder end bosses, you'll notice that it is quite possibly a harder task for the younger generation.

 

As an 80 priest in a guild with TotC 10 and 25 cleared, I'd like to just back up nerdboy's opinion. I mean, he has no right to what he is saying, because all he has done is level and BG, but he's still able to see that WoW is a borefest. Been playing that game here and there ever since Fall 06. I quit before BC came out because I thought the game sucked. When the new expansion came, I got an email for a free trial. Thought some things seemed more promising after trying it, bought a month, leveled to 80 and started to clear Naxx and quit because of what a joke raiding became. A friend convinced me to start again and I think the current raid content is fun, but still a shadow of what it could be. Also the game has become ridiculously simple.

 

But anyway I'm geared for the final raid of this expansion, Icecrown. The patch is supposed to hit Tuesday, and honestly I can say that if the Icecrown raid does not show significant improvement from the quality of the rest of the content thus far, this will be my last month of WoW. Raiding used to be a fun challenge, but anymore its just a bore task. The bosses are so easy that the only reason people raid is to get gear. It used to be a fun and challenging experience where the gear was just a nice reward, not the main point of the trip. Nowadays people act like you are a noob if you don't have every single piece of your equipment at the current highest raid level. Sorry, but some of us do not find it enjoyable to kill the same bosses every single week and spend 10-15 hours a week in the repetative raid borefest, sitting around and just waiting for your luck to turn out so you get the gear.

 

Also Arenas are completely terrible these days. If you aren't the right class, or one of your friends isnt, then one of you is going to have to make a new character just so your teams can work well in arenas.

 

 

And last but not least, its so gay how the "Server" system works. I understand that it is how most RPGs work...but I love Runescapes system so much. If I meet someone IRL and find out they play WoW its always like "Oh, you play?? Sweet! Wait...what server?" And then they are on a different server than you, and you can't play together unless you pay 25 dollars for a transfer, or you take a month and level a new character on their server. The whole game is just not very conducive to fun. It can be very addicting and very time consuming....but if you take a moment and just look at your gear and say "Wait....WHY am I about to commit 3 hours of my life to clear this raid again??" Sometimes youll realize that you really arent having any fun at all.

 

Yes, server issues do seem to be a BIG problem in WoW. Servers are always down. I would say that Blizzard has at least a 10% downtime. And the whole comment about being able to server jump on RS whenever you feel like it, ya that is really cool. In RS, what server you are on is not really that big of an issue, since chat AND the exchange are global. That is what really makes the grand exchange a powerful gaming tool... possibly one of the best tools in the gaming world today. Anyone can list from any server and sell to anyone on any other server instantly. Nether LOTRO nor WoW can boast about that.

[lenzius]

Rs got easy ever since RS2 was released.

Oh and WOW is a game you classify as more 'mature'? I lol'd.

 

Okay, when I said "Mature" I suppose I was really speaking of the game engine itself, and the graphical complexity of the game. Lets face it, and schlub with 5 year old laptop can play RS. LOTRO, however or Dragon Age: Origins, or Assasins Creed, well that is a different ball of wax. But when I quit RS as a permanent game, the game engine was still a small 640x480 applet window. My monitor kept getting bwigger and the RS window kept getting smaller. So when I said "Mature" what I should have said was "Modern." At the time RS made me feel like I was playing a nintendo. Now it is more like a PS1.

 

Don't get me wrong, graphics is not the end all of gaming, I think our discussion here has proven that. KLets review the contents of this post. Playing WoW follows a predictable pattern:

 

1. kill crap to get levels/raid gear
2. get drops and gold from the kills
3. sell/auction/vendor dump the unwanted drops for even more gold
4. keep the good drops
5. rinse and repeat endlessly for months to prevent yourself from looking like a noob

This cycle is great for people who love to fight stuff. I personally always come back to RS because I like all the other non-fight content. RS has an endless array of skills that are simple to understand. WoW has a rather limited set of skill content which is rediculously intertwined to the extreme.

[fat_klutz]

So in 3 months you cleared all raid content, and seeing as you say you got to 70 that means defeating Illidin, No, you didn't. Raid content can only be done once a week, and even if you powered to 70 within a week, 11 weeks, i.e, 11 raid resets, is NOT enough time. Your post is a lie, or you are unaware of what the game actually entails. This also means you played arena and hit the 1.9k + rating, No, you didn't. I'm not saying you can't, I'm saying in 3 months you can't. By mastering the game, you must mean you got max level, this only means once you reach max level, you are ready to BEGIN playing the game. If you do this and attempt some of the harder end bosses, you'll notice that it is quite possibly a harder task for the younger generation.

 

As an 80 priest in a guild with TotC 10 and 25 cleared, I'd like to just back up nerdboy's opinion. I mean, he has no right to what he is saying, because all he has done is level and BG, but he's still able to see that WoW is a borefest. Been playing that game here and there ever since Fall 06. I quit before BC came out because I thought the game sucked. When the new expansion came, I got an email for a free trial. Thought some things seemed more promising after trying it, bought a month, leveled to 80 and started to clear Naxx and quit because of what a joke raiding became. A friend convinced me to start again and I think the current raid content is fun, but still a shadow of what it could be. Also the game has become ridiculously simple.

 

But anyway I'm geared for the final raid of this expansion, Icecrown. The patch is supposed to hit Tuesday, and honestly I can say that if the Icecrown raid does not show significant improvement from the quality of the rest of the content thus far, this will be my last month of WoW. Raiding used to be a fun challenge, but anymore its just a bore task. The bosses are so easy that the only reason people raid is to get gear. It used to be a fun and challenging experience where the gear was just a nice reward, not the main point of the trip. Nowadays people act like you are a noob if you don't have every single piece of your equipment at the current highest raid level. Sorry, but some of us do not find it enjoyable to kill the same bosses every single week and spend 10-15 hours a week in the repetative raid borefest, sitting around and just waiting for your luck to turn out so you get the gear.

 

Also Arenas are completely terrible these days. If you aren't the right class, or one of your friends isnt, then one of you is going to have to make a new character just so your teams can work well in arenas.

 

 

And last but not least, its so gay how the "Server" system works. I understand that it is how most RPGs work...but I love Runescapes system so much. If I meet someone IRL and find out they play WoW its always like "Oh, you play?? Sweet! Wait...what server?" And then they are on a different server than you, and you can't play together unless you pay 25 dollars for a transfer, or you take a month and level a new character on their server. The whole game is just not very conducive to fun. It can be very addicting and very time consuming....but if you take a moment and just look at your gear and say "Wait....WHY am I about to commit 3 hours of my life to clear this raid again??" Sometimes youll realize that you really arent having any fun at all.

 

Yes, server issues do seem to be a BIG problem in WoW. Servers are always down. I would say that Blizzard has at least a 10% downtime. And the whole comment about being able to server jump on RS whenever you feel like it, ya that is really cool. In RS, what server you are on is not really that big of an issue, since chat AND the exchange are global. That is what really makes the grand exchange a powerful gaming tool... possibly one of the best tools in the gaming world today. Anyone can list from any server and sell to anyone on any other server instantly. Nether LOTRO nor WoW can boast about that.

 

Which in some ways is better because you don't have global economy [bleep] ups. Only server economy [bleep] ups.

[lenzius]

So in 3 months you cleared all raid content, and seeing as you say you got to 70 that means defeating Illidin, No, you didn't. Raid content can only be done once a week, and even if you powered to 70 within a week, 11 weeks, i.e, 11 raid resets, is NOT enough time. Your post is a lie, or you are unaware of what the game actually entails. This also means you played arena and hit the 1.9k + rating, No, you didn't. I'm not saying you can't, I'm saying in 3 months you can't. By mastering the game, you must mean you got max level, this only means once you reach max level, you are ready to BEGIN playing the game. If you do this and attempt some of the harder end bosses, you'll notice that it is quite possibly a harder task for the younger generation.

 

As an 80 priest in a guild with TotC 10 and 25 cleared, I'd like to just back up nerdboy's opinion. I mean, he has no right to what he is saying, because all he has done is level and BG, but he's still able to see that WoW is a borefest. Been playing that game here and there ever since Fall 06. I quit before BC came out because I thought the game sucked. When the new expansion came, I got an email for a free trial. Thought some things seemed more promising after trying it, bought a month, leveled to 80 and started to clear Naxx and quit because of what a joke raiding became. A friend convinced me to start again and I think the current raid content is fun, but still a shadow of what it could be. Also the game has become ridiculously simple.

 

But anyway I'm geared for the final raid of this expansion, Icecrown. The patch is supposed to hit Tuesday, and honestly I can say that if the Icecrown raid does not show significant improvement from the quality of the rest of the content thus far, this will be my last month of WoW. Raiding used to be a fun challenge, but anymore its just a bore task. The bosses are so easy that the only reason people raid is to get gear. It used to be a fun and challenging experience where the gear was just a nice reward, not the main point of the trip. Nowadays people act like you are a noob if you don't have every single piece of your equipment at the current highest raid level. Sorry, but some of us do not find it enjoyable to kill the same bosses every single week and spend 10-15 hours a week in the repetative raid borefest, sitting around and just waiting for your luck to turn out so you get the gear.

 

Also Arenas are completely terrible these days. If you aren't the right class, or one of your friends isnt, then one of you is going to have to make a new character just so your teams can work well in arenas.

 

 

And last but not least, its so gay how the "Server" system works. I understand that it is how most RPGs work...but I love Runescapes system so much. If I meet someone IRL and find out they play WoW its always like "Oh, you play?? Sweet! Wait...what server?" And then they are on a different server than you, and you can't play together unless you pay 25 dollars for a transfer, or you take a month and level a new character on their server. The whole game is just not very conducive to fun. It can be very addicting and very time consuming....but if you take a moment and just look at your gear and say "Wait....WHY am I about to commit 3 hours of my life to clear this raid again??" Sometimes youll realize that you really arent having any fun at all.

 

Yes, server issues do seem to be a BIG problem in WoW. Servers are always down. I would say that Blizzard has at least a 10% downtime. And the whole comment about being able to server jump on RS whenever you feel like it, ya that is really cool. In RS, what server you are on is not really that big of an issue, since chat AND the exchange are global. That is what really makes the grand exchange a powerful gaming tool... possibly one of the best tools in the gaming world today. Anyone can list from any server and sell to anyone on any other server instantly. Nether LOTRO nor WoW can boast about that.

 

Which in some ways is better because you don't have global economy [bleep] ups. Only server economy [bleep] ups.

 

ya that is true.

[Unb34t4bl3]

Also, how in the world is Runescape not a "grown-up" game?

 

Take a look the character models in-game, especially the male ones with their stupid childish hairstyles. Now tell me.

[Myweponsg00d]

Look what I have started. Bring on the mayhem!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

 

And who said I didn't raid as well? I did heaps of crap in the space of 3 months. I wasted 3 months of my life on that game, to be precise. Every single day at least 4 hours playing non-stop. So you see why my opinions are slightly biased when I say that WoW isn't that great and isn't for older kids, but it isn't that hard at all.

 

I leave this thread with the hope that much rage is wrought upon virtual enemies. Words are your best weapons, men. Go forth!

 

You DIDNT raid. Your post said you were "on your way to 70". This means you didnt actually MAKE IT to 70...is that right? That would mean you didn't play the game at the level cap, which is what 90% of the patches + updates are designed for, people at the level cap. If you didn't make it to 70 (or actually 80 if your WoW game time was in the past year) then you really didn't raid. Perhaps you did some "fooling around" runs of AQ or BF, but if you weren't playing at the level cap, then you missed out on what most of the game design and community updates are intended for. The raid community at level cap is entirely different from any instances/level 60 raids you ran. There is an entirely different focus on progression and its a way different game.

 

The same can be said for "PvP". If you weren't playing at level cap, that means you weren't doing Arenas. You were just doing BGs, which most players will LAUGH at you if you call a Battleground "PvP". Also you could have been referring to duels or killing people of the opposite faction in random places in the world. Neither of these are "PvP" either. The main part of WoW pvp is Arena. You make a team, and you enter either 2v2, 3v3, or 5v5 competition. Basically, its Team Deathmatch.

 

Anyway, every single talent tree of every class is DESIGNED around being "balanced" at level 80, for PvP. If you were "PvPing" prior to the level cap, then I can assure you that you really missed out on what most people even consider PvP.

 

 

 

But this is all just assuming you didnt make it to the level cap. If the wording in your post was incorrect then I retract all my statements and im sure elucin8r would retract his also. But really, if you didn't make it to the level cap then you have no valid reason to say that you don't like WoW. The entire game is updated based on the assumption that most people have a character at max level.

[zotto]

sounds all very elitist the way you describe it.

[gspbeetle]

Jagex has done some work I guess.

I forget the order which is first but we do receive dharoks and guthans, then gorillas, bandits, pest control, chinchompa, ecto, PoH, salve amulet (e), plank make and yaks, soul wars, armoured zombies, afk spiders... Leveling combat is much faster than it was already.

In the old days when rs2 just came out, which I was f2p. We kill hobglobins in wild, now we have stronghold of security.

Penguin points and tears of guthix also give you exp for skills you dont even want to train. I train my summoning completely by penguins, construction and runecrafting only by tears of guthix.

[Pr3c1pit0us]

Which in some ways is better because you don't have global economy [bleep] ups. Only server economy [bleep] ups.

Yes, but that also cuts down on the community of the game.

 

It's really annoying, actually, more than annoying -- it's amazingly sadistic to find that the server you play on is trash after taking the time to get to max level and good stats. And then to transfer costs money.

 

The community in this game is one whole one, not several hundred small ones. So, while the economy might be in the dumps with inflation right now, there's plenty of other things to look at when inspecting the idea of the global community.

[Myweponsg00d]

sounds all very elitist the way you describe it.

 

It isn't elitist...just just the way the game works. Most of the people are max level so thats what the updates are designed for.

 

Back in the origninal WoW, they released a bunch of stuff for levels 1-60. After a few months, people got to level 60 and then when they added more to do, it was for level 60s. Then BC x-pac came out and it added content for levels 60-70. This original content was again, only good for a few months, and then people beat it all and got to 70. Then, in the lifetime of BC, all the new updates were intended for level 70s.

 

Now its been a year since the new expac has come out, and most of the players are level 80. All of the updates are designed for level 80s now. The point is that if you only play it to level 60-65 or something, everything you have been doing was old stuff that is very underpopulated, and outdated, and is incongruent with the current "philosophy" of the game.

 

It might sound elitest to say "you need to be 80, or else you really havent even played WoW" but it really isn't elitest. Level 80 corresponds to about 2-3 months of leveling, if you dont fiddle-faddle on the way. Do you think it is elitest to say that most Runescape updates should be for people who played more than 2-3 months?

[elucin8er]

sounds all very elitist the way you describe it.

 

It isn't elitist...just just the way the game works. Most of the people are max level so thats what the updates are designed for.

 

Back in the origninal WoW, they released a bunch of stuff for levels 1-60. After a few months, people got to level 60 and then when they added more to do, it was for level 60s. Then BC x-pac came out and it added content for levels 60-70. This original content was again, only good for a few months, and then people beat it all and got to 70. Then, in the lifetime of BC, all the new updates were intended for level 70s.

 

Now its been a year since the new expac has come out, and most of the players are level 80. All of the updates are designed for level 80s now. The point is that if you only play it to level 60-65 or something, everything you have been doing was old stuff that is very underpopulated, and outdated, and is incongruent with the current "philosophy" of the game.

 

It might sound elitest to say "you need to be 80, or else you really havent even played WoW" but it really isn't elitest. Level 80 corresponds to about 2-3 months of leveling, if you dont fiddle-faddle on the way. Do you think it is elitest to say that most Runescape updates should be for people who played more than 2-3 months?

 

Agreed, It's not elitist. Ask any WoW player, the game BEGINS at lvl 80.The leveling phase is just to filter out the noobs who can't raid. ( more importantly for people to learn their class ). Any WoW player who hasn't raided at max lvl should not make opinions about the game.

[Myweponsg00d]

sounds all very elitist the way you describe it.

 

It isn't elitist...just just the way the game works. Most of the people are max level so thats what the updates are designed for.

 

Back in the origninal WoW, they released a bunch of stuff for levels 1-60. After a few months, people got to level 60 and then when they added more to do, it was for level 60s. Then BC x-pac came out and it added content for levels 60-70. This original content was again, only good for a few months, and then people beat it all and got to 70. Then, in the lifetime of BC, all the new updates were intended for level 70s.

 

Now its been a year since the new expac has come out, and most of the players are level 80. All of the updates are designed for level 80s now. The point is that if you only play it to level 60-65 or something, everything you have been doing was old stuff that is very underpopulated, and outdated, and is incongruent with the current "philosophy" of the game.

 

It might sound elitest to say "you need to be 80, or else you really havent even played WoW" but it really isn't elitest. Level 80 corresponds to about 2-3 months of leveling, if you dont fiddle-faddle on the way. Do you think it is elitest to say that most Runescape updates should be for people who played more than 2-3 months?

 

Agreed, It's not elitist. Ask any WoW player, the game BEGINS at lvl 80.The leveling phase is just to filter out the noobs who can't raid. ( more importantly for people to learn their class ). Any WoW player who hasn't raided at max lvl should not make opinions about the game.

 

However, I mean, that doesn't mean you aren't allowed to enjoy the game before then. I and many of my friends love playing lowbie characters, and I actually thing I happen to enjoy playing the old outdated stuff with lowbie noobs as opposed to sitting through the same old raid with people in full epic gear. BUT, I would say that nobody has the right to DISLIKE the game having only played the leveling process.

 

I think thats a thing I forgot to mention before. If you are leveling a character and decide that you love spending a ton of time in battlegrounds and instances, go ahead and do that. You don't HAVE to be 80 just to ENJOY the game. However, I would say that if you declare you HATE the game before you even make it to 80, you really have no right to do so, because what most people even play WoW for starts at 80. But by all means, if you enjoy the older stuff then don't make your leveling experience unenjoyable just because you think 80 is gonna be so much better. You might turn out like me, and end up enjoying leveling characters more than you enjoy playing them at 80. So youre allowed to LIKE WoW if you arent at 80, but you really arent allowed to DISLIKE it if you havent tried an 80 raid or Arena, since thats what the "majority" tend to agree is the best.

 

Hopefully that takes some of the negative spin off of what I've been saying.

[Golvellius]

sounds all very elitist the way you describe it.

 

It is.

Of course, if you try it make a paladin.

The game is horribly imbalanced in their favor.

I regret making a rogue over a paladin except for the fact that they are so much fun except when you step foot in an instance then they are useless.

So much for Blizzard's supposedly impeccable game balancing and bug free games. LOL there as bad as Jagex, trust me.

Also, if you enjoy BGs expect to hear it from the elistists telling you thats not PVP and not playing WOW and you fail.... lolol just like if you play castle wars on RS. ;)