Clans [ Cough Teams ] Not following rules

[Danny_TeamDan]

When a team or clan leader approaches you for a war and you decline it, but then they offer new rules to make it more fair and you accept it...Then on the day of the war they come begging for rule changes [ expected after they did it to us in a previous war with similar rules ] and still won't drop.

 

Sadly it wouldn't have effected the war much anywayz as me and another member were most likely leaving within 10mins.

 

Anywayz they refused to drop one more person [ props to them for even dropping down to +1 to us ] we left the portal and asked them wtf are you guys doing? and they just spam gf tpr u tried etc. Even flamed us calling us [kitty]'s etc. Especially from op's in their irc.

 

So my question to you guys is

 

Why offer rules and accept them and then beg to change them?

 

Why result in flaming the clan for leaving when the rules weren't followed when your own leaders accepted/offered them?

[Mister_T]

Lnd for nh

[Nobody]

A lot of times clans disagree for the silliest of reasons but hotheads on both sides can escalate the problem. Sometimes circumstances change and a clan wants to change rules, it should be more about an enjoyable war than winning every single time.

[kuru72]

TPR -v- LND (January 15 2010) That was the silliest war I've ever been in. I've prepared for it so much because I was expecting a good and interesting fight. Instead, LND decides to not drop another person in a war where there was a rule where TPR gets 2 man advantage in the start. Seriously, it's just 1 more person. Why can't you drop that lol? Next time please don't war if you're just gonna whine over a simple rule that you wanna change just cause you can't drop another person.

[Uffan5]

Becase Tip It War Rankings points are at stake.

[Danny_TeamDan]

A lot of times clans disagree for the silliest of reasons but hotheads on both sides can escalate the problem. Sometimes circumstances change and a clan wants to change rules, it should be more about an enjoyable war than winning every single time.

 

Yes, we've warred LND matched several times, we enjoyed them until we get flamed after the war simply because you guys out lvl us. Was it enjoyable to waste 30+ peoples time to mass up wait to drop and then just not have a war. Was not dropping one more person really worth it?

 

Becase Tip It War Rankings points are at stake.

this was non twr but for other cases i see your point.

[Kimberly]

Why offer rules and accept them and then beg to change them?

 

Generally speaking, sometimes things change last minute. You don't pull as well as you expect, and you take a hit to your dignity and ask for a rule change rather than force your clan/team to go through an unpleasant slaughter. Or a person could be greedy and not truly understand the concept of compromise. Of give and take.

 

'Course, your preface to these discussion questions sounds quite loaded with e-beef. I'd be willing to bet that, in such heated rivalries, people are just doing whatever they can to claim the win in order to rub it in the other's face.

 

Why result in flaming the clan for leaving when the rules weren't followed when your own leaders accepted/offered them?

 

Not sure, illusions of self-entitlement? They felt like you wronged them, so they wronged you? This question's really hard to answer generally, since the average rational person wouldn't do something so asinine.

[Beckingham]

Well maybe you'd like to explain why some of your members attacked one of our fall in leaders when he went to talk to you in single? I understand why you're angry but with all due respect you jumped a fall in leader before the war even started, so don't talk to us about breaking rules.

 

Considering some of the stunts Tpr has pulled in wars I think you're hardly ones to talk about breaking rules.

[Vince4rock]

Well maybe you'd like to explain why some of your members attacked one of our fall in leaders when he went to talk to you in single? I understand why you're angry but with all due respect you jumped a fall in leader before the war even started, so don't talk to us about breaking rules.

 

Considering some of the stunts Tpr has pulled in wars I think you're hardly ones to talk about breaking rules.

 

Last time this happened we pulled 9 and we kind of understood that u guys wouldn't want to drop to 7 so we let it go but today we pulled the best we could which was 16 and yet u guys still wanted matched which is wat made us mad.

[Beckingham]

Well maybe you'd like to explain why some of your members attacked one of our fall in leaders when he went to talk to you in single? I understand why you're angry but with all due respect you jumped a fall in leader before the war even started, so don't talk to us about breaking rules.

 

Considering some of the stunts Tpr has pulled in wars I think you're hardly ones to talk about breaking rules.

 

Last time this happened we pulled 9 and we kind of understood that u guys wouldn't want to drop to 7 so we let it go but today we pulled the best we could which was 16 and yet u guys still wanted matched which is wat made us mad.

 

We didn't tell you it had to be matched, we sent a fi lead to ask if we could do matched and you attacked him.

[HAR]

Why offer rules and accept them and then beg to change them?

Desperation for a win.

 

Why result in flaming the clan for leaving when the rules weren't followed when your own leaders accepted/offered them?

Because the clan who resorts to the flame probably are feeling arrogant or cocky because they thought (incorrectly) that they were being disadvantaged.

 

 

Overall from what this topic is making out (and if its true) makes the clan whoever did it look like a bunch of morons.

[bear1108]

Why offer rules and accept them and then beg to change them?

Desperation for a win.

+1

 

Why result in flaming the clan for leaving when the rules weren't followed when your own leaders accepted/offered them?

They need a picture to take.. and they can make it looks like you lost. I think that the rule: "no pic no proof" works everywhere so they wanted a proof to have even if it is misleading.

 

 

Anyway, sad to see that the number of flames just growing.

[ichi]

Becase Tip It War Rankings points are at stake.

Lol :lol:

[Vince4rock]

Well maybe you'd like to explain why some of your members attacked one of our fall in leaders when he went to talk to you in single? I understand why you're angry but with all due respect you jumped a fall in leader before the war even started, so don't talk to us about breaking rules.

 

Considering some of the stunts Tpr has pulled in wars I think you're hardly ones to talk about breaking rules.

 

Last time this happened we pulled 9 and we kind of understood that u guys wouldn't want to drop to 7 so we let it go but today we pulled the best we could which was 16 and yet u guys still wanted matched which is wat made us mad.

 

We didn't tell you it had to be matched, we sent a fi lead to ask if we could do matched and you attacked him.

 

We have fought you guys in matched everytime and have lost, that +2 for us was there for a reason so i don't know why u guys even attempted to ask for matched

[Kimberly]

Please get back on topic. This is a discussion topic regarding why people change rules last minute and so on.

[infinitone]

Why offer rules and accept them and then beg to change them?

Because things change from the time the rules were set and the war is on. Imagine this. You declare and accept war rules a week ago. And then over the week you see the opposing clan's ml grow +10 members and they suddenly outmatch your clan number-wise. So, what do you do? I certainly oppose begging for a change at the time of the war, but i certainly can understand asking for a change of rules before the war (during the 1 week prep). That is totally understandable and is smart because you want a fair and challenging war for both your clan and the other clan.

 

Why result in flaming the clan for leaving when the rules weren't followed when your own leaders accepted/offered them?

I don't even know why ask this question. Flaming in any way or form is unjustified.

[Danny_TeamDan]

Why offer rules and accept them and then beg to change them?

 

Generally speaking, sometimes things change last minute. You don't pull as well as you expect, and you take a hit to your dignity and ask for a rule change rather than force your clan/team to go through an unpleasant slaughter. Or a person could be greedy and not truly understand the concept of compromise. Of give and take.

 

'Course, your preface to these discussion questions sounds quite loaded with e-beef. I'd be willing to bet that, in such heated rivalries, people are just doing whatever they can to claim the win in order to rub it in the other's face.

 

Why result in flaming the clan for leaving when the rules weren't followed when your own leaders accepted/offered them?

 

Not sure, illusions of self-entitlement? They felt like you wronged them, so they wronged you? This question's really hard to answer generally, since the average rational person wouldn't do something so asinine.

I love you.

 

Well maybe you'd like to explain why some of your members attacked one of our fall in leaders when he went to talk to you in single? I understand why you're angry but with all due respect you jumped a fall in leader before the war even started, so don't talk to us about breaking rules.

 

Considering some of the stunts Tpr has pulled in wars I think you're hardly ones to talk about breaking rules.

 

Gladly. I knew you guys wouldn't follow through on your word / agreement / rules set up for this war. Why? Because you manipulated it last time, Which may I add was in your own tournament that you hosted. Sketchy, dishonorable, low, manipulative etc I can go on for ages on how low it is in your own tourny to bend rules [ Which were set up to make it a fair fight ] but I let it slide. This time around I wasn't going to let you guys walk all over us and manipulate our members to change the rules, you may be able to change lordhotshots mind but not when we have leaders/ranks who know what the rules should be.

 

So to answer you, I simply told Generaldesor to take us near multi incase they wanted to send more people, as you dropped a member by leaving our side of the portal... Why?

 

Anywayz Generaldesor wasn't sure what i meant so he got us semi close and I saw another member come and said get on them. Why? Because if you want to debate the rules it's called IRC. You can pm a rank in irc or even come in our chan and ask for someone to talk to.

 

As some other clan pointed out in another topic, Stay on your own side. There is nothing accomplished having you run all the way over to our side to ask a question, time wise irc is over 9000 times more efficent. Second off we could be out in robes etc figuring out some other stuff so please stay on your side.

 

Furthermore after not getting the message the same person came back looking for us; Possibly in hopes to lure us into middle and just start the war with out LND having to drop.

 

Well maybe you'd like to explain why some of your members attacked one of our fall in leaders when he went to talk to you in single? I understand why you're angry but with all due respect you jumped a fall in leader before the war even started, so don't talk to us about breaking rules.

 

Considering some of the stunts Tpr has pulled in wars I think you're hardly ones to talk about breaking rules.

 

Last time this happened we pulled 9 and we kind of understood that u guys wouldn't want to drop to 7 so we let it go but today we pulled the best we could which was 16 and yet u guys still wanted matched which is wat made us mad.

 

We didn't tell you it had to be matched, we sent a fi lead to ask if we could do matched and you attacked him.

 

IRC Broski. like i said earlier more efficent, and overall more proffessional.

 

Why offer rules and accept them and then beg to change them?

Desperation for a win.

 

Why result in flaming the clan for leaving when the rules weren't followed when your own leaders accepted/offered them?

Because the clan who resorts to the flame probably are feeling arrogant or cocky because they thought (incorrectly) that they were being disadvantaged.

 

 

Overall from what this topic is making out (and if its true) makes the clan whoever did it look like a bunch of morons.

 

I love you as well, I believe you hit the nail on the head.

[Jack]

Wow, you'd beaten us enough times Matched we just wanted a closer, more fun war for us.

 

Why offer rules and accept them and then beg to change them?

The feeling of being desperate to win because it's what separates life and death.

 

Why result in flaming the clan for leaving when the rules weren't followed when your own leaders accepted/offered them?

That's just pathetic, nothing worse than fighting a cocky clan(team) in my opinion. Maybe whoever did this should take a good look at themselves and hope they're happy with the publicity they're going to receive.

[Vio]

Edit: removing a quote from a deleted post. ~ Ninane

 

Simply this, really. The clan world isn't what it once was, and more often than not I see clans who organise fights and bend, even break their own rules in their favour. Today, it's all about winning, even if you have to cheat to do so. I rarely see an even, honourable fight anymore.

[Darkrai]

I didn't agree with LND modifying the rules to +1 TPR, but 14-16 would give LND a disadvantage - huge one. The difference between a level 126 and 116 is about 5-10 levels in every melee stat, and about 30 prayer points. If you think about it, it's not enough to repair the damage from a 2 man lead in a small war.

 

Hopefully there's no rivalry between TPR/LND, after this, our warlord refused to drop the extra person needed to have it 14-16.

 

Remember, TPR has flamed LND too - with LND getting baited into flaming too. Just a problem with both TPR + LND officials controlling our members.

 

@Topic:

 

Clans/Teams break rules for a way to get a win. Rules are also accidently broken, like leaving Center bounds. (Few people may not know bounds/misclick, and then an argument starts over it.)

[Pan_Nx]

I didn't agree with LND modifying the rules to +1 TPR, but 14-16 would give LND a disadvantage - huge one. The difference between a level 126 and 116 is about 5-10 levels in every melee stat, and about 30 prayer points. If you think about it, it's not enough to repair the damage from a 2 man lead in a small war.

You should point the finger at your official who set the fight up with TPR. I'd agree with your statement but it doesn't really matter because an LND official accepted those rules.

 

Why offer rules and accept them and then beg to change them?

Usually because a they realize they accepted something that they though was good (or fair) for their clan but then realized wasn't. Then there's also other officials who realize that the official who got the fight made a dumb rule and then they want it changed.

 

Why result in flaming the clan for leaving when the rules weren't followed when your own leaders accepted/offered them?

I don't know really. It varies case to case. Usually trying to hide the clan's mistake though.

[Danny_TeamDan]

I didn't agree with LND modifying the rules to +1 TPR, but 14-16 would give LND a disadvantage - huge one. The difference between a level 126 and 116 is about 5-10 levels in every melee stat, and about 30 prayer points. If you think about it, it's not enough to repair the damage from a 2 man lead in a small war.

 

Hopefully there's no rivalry between TPR/LND, after this, our warlord refused to drop the extra person needed to have it 14-16.

 

Remember, TPR has flamed LND too - with LND getting baited into flaming too. Just a problem with both TPR + LND officials controlling our members.

 

@Topic:

 

Clans/Teams break rules for a way to get a win. Rules are also accidently broken, like leaving Center bounds. (Few people may not know bounds/misclick, and then an argument starts over it.)

 

Pan answered it pretty well, Whilst you're at a disadvantage we've warred you several times, and one time where we tried to get more fair rules [ Like i said in your own tourny ] and you manipulated it and you won. I was a lil ticked off that you would manipulate my members but I let it slide cuz no way in hell is the host of a tourny going to listen to me.

 

Then we warred you a couple more times on matched and lost; One was fairly close, I'd blame combat lvls not much we could have done better. This is why your warlord set it up with us like this. If you don't like the rules then don't accept them. Heres a suggestion add a min cap that we'd have to pull in order to get the + advantage or something.

 

And for the record every fight you've flamed us. We're returning the favor when you flame.

[The Observer]

I feel that attempting to change rules quite forcibly at the fight is something that shouldn't be done, because rules were decided upon before, and are expected to be followed. It's kind of hypocritical in a way considering that they want the other clan/team to follow the rules too.

 

So overall I feel it's unacceptable. You make the rules, then they should be followed.

[generaldesor]

@beckingham

 

that girl wasnt "asking"

 

she said "wanna do matched?" we said "no" she said "no war then" thats what made some of our members rage and attack her.

[Beckingham]

With all due respect, you're Tpr. It says in some of your sigs "Victory Before Honour", so I find it hard to take you seriously when you come here whining because we left the war. If you were a legit clan or team that conducted themselves with honour I'd apologize, but you pride yourselves on being [wagon] so don't expect any sympathy.