Same-Sex Marriage

[meol]

You're correct on the first point, they weren't necessary. I conceded that many homosexuals have real relationships. Secondly, you're welcome. Thirdly, yes, you are a threat. Look what happened when probibition stopped.. more people drank. When something is seen as acceptable in society, people are going to do it more. Now we won't see results now, and yes, homosexuals are a small % of the population, but as more and more people become gay having children is something that becomes less and less important. Already due to the baby boomers getting old america and the west are facing a huge healthcare/economic crisis, as spending power is being hugely decreased due to an aging population. This contributes, or at least will.

I really can't see why it's so evil and selfish not to have children. My father isn't a worse person because he had 10 children less than my grandmother, now is he? How is it that if I have 3 children less than him, it will be wrong? And even if it somehow was evil, homosexuals can still adopt and even have children of their own with surrogates.

And what happens in third world countries with high fertility rates? Would it be better to be gay there?

 

@Bolded: Now, gays existed in the past, too, even when fiercely persecuted. It's not that there are more and more gays now than before, they just aren't feeling as oppressed and recriminated as before. Homosexuals are not recruiting your children. Are you assuming people choose to be gay?

[Pirate_Felix]

Kids - are the most basic, most natural reason for sex. Since gays can't produce kids through sex, then they've made the act illegitimate. They've stripped it of its natural purpose and are using it only for pleasure (something which unfortunately many others do as well).

Hell no, you a virgin?

[Skull]

I think that more people not having children or having less children. In a few decades the earth won't be able to support the estimated population barring scientific discovery that allows us to make better use of land. Besides, there are already children who have no families out there getting less than great care from orphanages or hell even trying to take care of them selves in some places.

 

Which brings up another debate, gay couples (or just someone gay in a couple or otherwise) adopting children. I personally would encourage gays to adopt since they can't have children of their own, but some people seem extremely opposed to it because it might cause the child to be gay (I don't think there are any studies on this, if there are could someone link me?). I see it like this, children are going to pick up on a lot of things their parents do anyways, kids with religious parents are more likely to be religious, kids with conservative parents are more likely to be conservative, kids with racist parents are more likely to be racist and vice versa. Should people with extreme views not be allowed kids because they could be indoctrinating their kids with their views? I would rather have a kid raised by gays than racists to be totally honest.

[OldJoe]

The only other area would be incestuous marriage, and I support legalizing that as well.

Uh, why?

 

Uh, why not? Why shouldn't they be able to marry even if they love each other? The "ew that's gross" factor doesn't apply here; it really doesn't matter if people find it gross.

 

There's also levels and degrees with which this needs to be discussed. For example, an adult/child relationship, even when the child is of age, could in fact be the result of abuse and forced coercion without the son/daughter even being aware of it. I am skeptical of it being legal in this type of relationship, specifically because the odds are on the side of it being forced coercion and not the result of true consent, and is therefore a form of rape.

The "ew that's gross" factor does apply.

I've got a hard time taking something like this seriously. The respective person is probably not in any of such cases 100% bright in the head, i mean you can't really be mentally stable if you're doing stuff with another family member. And then we can go into the reproduction; The genes goes down the drain.

I really don't got any good arguments because i find this just plain f'ed up.

It's not "normal" and should never be.

[obfuscator]

Kids - are the most basic, most natural reason for sex. Since gays can't produce kids through sex, then they've made the act illegitimate. They've stripped it of its natural purpose and are using it only for pleasure (something which unfortunately many others do as well).

Hell no, you a virgin?

Nope. Please, try to tell me reproduction isn't the natural purpose of sex.

[Pirate_Felix]

Yeah its the purpose, but we do it because its so much fun.

More sex without babies than sex with

[Giordano]

Kids - are the most basic, most natural reason for sex. Since gays can't produce kids through sex, then they've made the act illegitimate. They've stripped it of its natural purpose and are using it only for pleasure (something which unfortunately many others do as well).

Hell no, you a virgin?

Nope. Please, try to tell me reproduction isn't the natural purpose of sex.

At the same time, technically our stomachs only wants to be full. There's no need to have any complex foods or restaurants. Having kids is why we have uncontrolable sexual needs; but not why we have sex.

[RexMilotic]

The only other area would be incestuous marriage, and I support legalizing that as well.

Uh, why?

 

This is magekillr we're talking about, pretty sure he wants to legalize everything. ;)

 

I have a few issues with homosexual marriage.

 

Kids - are the most basic, most natural reason for sex. Since gays can't produce kids through sex, then they've made the act illegitimate. They've stripped it of its natural purpose and are using it only for pleasure (something which unfortunately many others do as well).

 

Some may say: "Some couples may chose not to have kids". I think that's selfish - the world needs children to survive. People forget that they too were kids once, and if they never have any..well lets just say this is far more of a threat to our future as a race than aids or "global warming".

 

Seriously, incestuous marriage has no problems if it's two consensual adults.

 

Kids - We already have too many, and you're worried that gay marriage is going to erase them? It's not, because there's no difference with it now nor after same-sex marriage is allowed. Besides, same-sex couples can still use other methods for children. I think your idea of threats is a bit off, because I highly doubt gay marriage is going to turn the whole world gay.

[RexMilotic]

Oh, and gays are superb fathers and mothers, right? I agree...they definitely can be. But there's a reason why we're naturally made to have a significant male and female in our lives. A huge amount of people in jail were born with only one parent - aka missing influence of a solid family grounded with a male and female perspective.

 

Yet, there have already been studies on children growing up with same-sex parents, and they can be better off. You're only trying to place the blame of having one parent on one thing, while there are many other more likely problems. Such as having one parent who can't support the family, an abusive parent, or simply that parent being a bad one.

 

You're correct on the first point, they weren't necessary. I conceded that many homosexuals have real relationships. Secondly, you're welcome. Thirdly, yes, you are a threat. Look what happened when probibition stopped.. more people drank. When something is seen as acceptable in society, people are going to do it more. Now we won't see results now, and yes, homosexuals are a small % of the population, but as more and more people become gay having children is something that becomes less and less important. Already due to the baby boomers getting old america and the west are facing a huge healthcare/economic crisis, as spending power is being hugely decreased due to an aging population. This contributes, or at least will.

 

Now, you're attempting to compare prohibition to something that's natural. You can't produce more gay people because you want to, and people don't turn magically gay just because you're allowed to have same-sex marriage. You're ideas on how this would work out are making this seem bad because you don't get how it works.

 

This is a result of the society today - where advertizing preaches a philosphy of "take what you want, when you want, with no regard to others".

Selfishness is the root of all the evil and unrest in society today. Why are there wars? Because countries are too selfish to see anything but their own interests. Why is there world hunger? Because people are too selfish to go without to help someone less fortunate.

 

Please, go through history and look at those times, and human nature. You're ideology of the perfect world is useless, because it has never existed and will never exist. Humans are not evil because that's how they think, because that's the way they should think in a world we have no control over.

[superson]

Kids - are the most basic, most natural reason for sex. Since gays can't produce kids through sex, then they've made the act illegitimate. They've stripped it of its natural purpose and are using it only for pleasure (something which unfortunately many others do as well).

Hell no, you a virgin?

Nope. Please, try to tell me reproduction isn't the natural purpose of sex.

 

So you never use condoms, I assume?

[Saru Inc]

Kids - are the most basic, most natural reason for sex. Since gays can't produce kids through sex, then they've made the act illegitimate. They've stripped it of its natural purpose and are using it only for pleasure (something which unfortunately many others do as well).

Hell no, you a virgin?

Nope. Please, try to tell me reproduction isn't the natural purpose of sex.

 

 

So you got a kid then, right?

[Plugpoint]

[Alg]

Kids - are the most basic, most natural reason for sex. Since gays can't produce kids through sex, then they've made the act illegitimate. They've stripped it of its natural purpose and are using it only for pleasure (something which unfortunately many others do as well).

Hell no, you a virgin?

Nope. Please, try to tell me reproduction isn't the natural purpose of sex.

 

 

So you got a kid then, right?

Better question: If sex is for reproduction, and gay couples are unable to reproduce, what are the gay couples doing?

[Saru Inc]

Kids - are the most basic, most natural reason for sex. Since gays can't produce kids through sex, then they've made the act illegitimate. They've stripped it of its natural purpose and are using it only for pleasure (something which unfortunately many others do as well).

Hell no, you a virgin?

Nope. Please, try to tell me reproduction isn't the natural purpose of sex.

 

 

So you got a kid then, right?

Better question: If sex is for reproduction, and gay couples are unable to reproduce, what are the gay couples doing?

 

 

True. I was simply saying if he doesn't have kid, whether he wore a condom or whatever, that he didn't have sex to be able to have a kid. Which in other words he is worse than a gay man. O the thought. *shudders*

 

 

Or he just lied about not being a virgin, which destroys his credibility.

[la la la]

As a Christian, I believe that acting in homosexuality is a sin.

 

With that said, we are all pretty serious sinners. Sexual immorality of any kind is a sin; even fantasizing about sexual immorality is a sin. Why, then, does the government not illegalize sexual immorality as a whole? The answer is, because it is not the GOVERNMENT'S job to determine who our god is or to play God for us. Our personal decisions and sins, as long as they do not affect unwilling others or take our own life, should be left to ourselves to decide, therefore gay marriage, while I am not in favor of the whole thing, should be legal.

[RexMilotic]

Kids - are the most basic, most natural reason for sex. Since gays can't produce kids through sex, then they've made the act illegitimate. They've stripped it of its natural purpose and are using it only for pleasure (something which unfortunately many others do as well).

Hell no, you a virgin?

Nope. Please, try to tell me reproduction isn't the natural purpose of sex.

 

 

So you got a kid then, right?

Better question: If sex is for reproduction, and gay couples are unable to reproduce, what are the gay couples doing?

Better question: Why does it matter? Birth control, pulling out, and condoms are just three simple things used by straight couples to prevent children. You think that hasn't stripped away its natural purpose? That and masturbation, which isn't natural by your standards. Having sex without the goal of having children each time (meaning there's no reason for you to have sex unless it's time for children) is also not natural. I don't see you trying to prevent straight couples from getting married if their partners use any of those methods.

 

Also, marriage =/= children. Marriage is something between those two people about things they own and other legal rights, a child is another matter.

[Saru Inc]

As a Christian, I believe that acting in homosexuality is a sin.

 

With that said, we are all pretty serious sinners. Sexual immorality of any kind is a sin; even fantasizing about sexual immorality is a sin. Why, then, does the government not illegalize sexual immorality as a whole? The answer is, because it is not the GOVERNMENT'S job to determine who our god is or to play God for us. Our personal decisions and sins, as long as they do not affect unwilling others or take our own life, should be left to ourselves to decide, therefore gay marriage, while I am not in favor of the whole thing, should be legal.

 

 

Note: I'm not trolling, or being an [wagon] this is a serious post:

 

 

If I am a Christian... and I believe Gods ok with Homos since, well he makes them, why do you think it is a sin? I mean obviously people get different things from the Bible (thus the need for different denominations) but I'm saying what are your personal views based on what you've garnered from reading it?

[Aiel]

Even if you are anti-homosexual for religous reasons, it gives you no right to say it should be illegal in a country where all religons are accepted and the church is separate from the state. I highly doubt that the majority (over 50%) of Americans are members of the Christian church, and even less of these people belive homosexuality is a sin.

 

Also, reproduction is only the point of sex from a evolutionary stand point (probaly the reason we evolved to get pleasure from it)

[la la la]

As a Christian, I believe that acting in homosexuality is a sin.

 

With that said, we are all pretty serious sinners. Sexual immorality of any kind is a sin; even fantasizing about sexual immorality is a sin. Why, then, does the government not illegalize sexual immorality as a whole? The answer is, because it is not the GOVERNMENT'S job to determine who our god is or to play God for us. Our personal decisions and sins, as long as they do not affect unwilling others or take our own life, should be left to ourselves to decide, therefore gay marriage, while I am not in favor of the whole thing, should be legal.

 

 

Note: I'm not trolling, or being an [wagon] this is a serious post:

 

 

If I am a Christian... and I believe Gods ok with Homos since, well he makes them, why do you think it is a sin? I mean obviously people get different things from the Bible (thus the need for different denominations) but I'm saying what are your personal views based on what you've garnered from reading it?

 

 

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

 

These are all sinners, yet they are forgiven by God. So while I feel it is wrong, I believe God will be the judge of that, not our government, as I previously stated.

 

And to the argument that God is ok with it because he makes them, that's pretty murky water. God makes serial killers, thieves, and all other perverts too.

 

As a final note, I really hope to not sound preachy. I'm not trying to force my ideas on anyone, just explain my beliefs.

[Romy]

 

That's just intolerantive and dumb. I can't believe human beings really believe these things (even if that particular one was a joke, I'm certain some believe it to be atleast partly true).

 

 

 

To all you gay haters, here's a question-

If you saw any graphical/real gay act, heard of it, or had the ability to perform such acts- Would you become gay? Even the slightest? If your answer is yes- newsflash- you already are gay.

I assume most of you would answer with "no", in which case I've got another question- If you wouldn't become gay, what makes you think other straights would?

[Romy]

As a Christian, I believe that acting in homosexuality is a sin.

 

With that said, we are all pretty serious sinners. Sexual immorality of any kind is a sin; even fantasizing about sexual immorality is a sin. Why, then, does the government not illegalize sexual immorality as a whole? The answer is, because it is not the GOVERNMENT'S job to determine who our god is or to play God for us. Our personal decisions and sins, as long as they do not affect unwilling others or take our own life, should be left to ourselves to decide, therefore gay marriage, while I am not in favor of the whole thing, should be legal.

 

 

Note: I'm not trolling, or being an [wagon] this is a serious post:

 

 

If I am a Christian... and I believe Gods ok with Homos since, well he makes them, why do you think it is a sin? I mean obviously people get different things from the Bible (thus the need for different denominations) but I'm saying what are your personal views based on what you've garnered from reading it?

 

I'd assume it's because the vast majority of the religious whole-heartly trust that it's a matter of choice... For some dumb reason...

[Nenga]

As a Christian, I believe that acting in homosexuality is a sin.

 

With that said, we are all pretty serious sinners. Sexual immorality of any kind is a sin; even fantasizing about sexual immorality is a sin. Why, then, does the government not illegalize sexual immorality as a whole? The answer is, because it is not the GOVERNMENT'S job to determine who our god is or to play God for us. Our personal decisions and sins, as long as they do not affect unwilling others or take our own life, should be left to ourselves to decide, therefore gay marriage, while I am not in favor of the whole thing, should be legal.

 

 

Note: I'm not trolling, or being an [wagon] this is a serious post:

 

 

If I am a Christian... and I believe Gods ok with Homos since, well he makes them, why do you think it is a sin? I mean obviously people get different things from the Bible (thus the need for different denominations) but I'm saying what are your personal views based on what you've garnered from reading it?

 

 

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

 

These are all sinners, yet they are forgiven by God. So while I feel it is wrong, I believe God will be the judge of that, not our government, as I previously stated.

 

And to the argument that God is ok with it because he makes them, that's pretty murky water. God makes serial killers, thieves, and all other perverts too.

 

As a final note, I really hope to not sound preachy. I'm not trying to force my ideas on anyone, just explain my beliefs.

He was the same guy that said you can't wear shirts made of more than one material wasnt he?

 

While we're bringing up how people are 'made' lets bring up how they are not made. They're not made with wings so flying should be unnatural. They're not made with a sword or a gun in their hand. They're not made with the information about how to pilot a jet and bomb a city. They're not made able to breather underwater or in space. They're not made to see after dark very well.

 

Damn there's a lot of unnatural sinning going on isnt there? Its all or nothing, if you call one thing out you gotta go all the way. So if homosexuality is unnatural then so is our entire society right down to the light bulb.

[Romy]

As a Christian, I believe that acting in homosexuality is a sin.

 

With that said, we are all pretty serious sinners. Sexual immorality of any kind is a sin; even fantasizing about sexual immorality is a sin. Why, then, does the government not illegalize sexual immorality as a whole? The answer is, because it is not the GOVERNMENT'S job to determine who our god is or to play God for us. Our personal decisions and sins, as long as they do not affect unwilling others or take our own life, should be left to ourselves to decide, therefore gay marriage, while I am not in favor of the whole thing, should be legal.

 

 

Note: I'm not trolling, or being an [wagon] this is a serious post:

 

 

If I am a Christian... and I believe Gods ok with Homos since, well he makes them, why do you think it is a sin? I mean obviously people get different things from the Bible (thus the need for different denominations) but I'm saying what are your personal views based on what you've garnered from reading it?

 

 

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

 

These are all sinners, yet they are forgiven by God. So while I feel it is wrong, I believe God will be the judge of that, not our government, as I previously stated.

 

And to the argument that God is ok with it because he makes them, that's pretty murky water. God makes serial killers, thieves, and all other perverts too.

 

As a final note, I really hope to not sound preachy. I'm not trying to force my ideas on anyone, just explain my beliefs.

He was the same guy that said you can't wear shirts made of more than one material wasnt he?

 

While we're bringing up how people are 'made' lets bring up how they are not made. They're not made with wings so flying should be unnatural. They're not made with a sword or a gun in their hand. They're not made with the information about how to pilot a jet and bomb a city. They're not made able to breather underwater or in space. They're not made to see after dark very well.

 

Damn there's a lot of unnatural sinning going on isnt there? Its all or nothing, if you call one thing out you gotta go all the way. So if homosexuality is unnatural then so is our entire society right down to the light bulb.

 

Amazingly put :D! I applaud you =D> =D> !

[Giordano]

 

That's just intolerantive and dumb. I can't believe human beings really believe these things (even if that particular one was a joke, I'm certain some believe it to be atleast partly true).

 

 

 

To all you gay haters, here's a question-

If you saw any graphical/real gay act, heard of it, or had the ability to perform such acts- Would you become gay? Even the slightest? If your answer is yes- newsflash- you already are gay.

I assume most of you would answer with "no", in which case I've got another question- If you wouldn't become gay, what makes you think other straights would?

Wow, the irony. You didn't get the point of the picture, didn't you? It's supposed to mean that when gays marry there won't be any negative effect to match the paranoia of society. Think a little bit before you judge a picture on the spot.

 

And what's up with the second question?

[la la la]

While we're bringing up how people are 'made' lets bring up how they are not made. They're not made with wings so flying should be unnatural. They're not made with a sword or a gun in their hand. They're not made with the information about how to pilot a jet and bomb a city. They're not made able to breather underwater or in space. They're not made to see after dark very well.

 

You terribly misunderstood my point. First of all, I wasn't saying anything was sinful simply because it was unnatural. I used the counterexample of 'murderers and perverts' to explain that people were, in fact, not created sinless. Nowhere do I state that something not created by God is sinful; in fact, I argue the opposite - people (even though they were created by God) are all created sinful.