Clans dyeing or just an Illusion?

[OAndrew]

Whats happening to clans, particularly in TWR ? I dont think nothing is happening.

 

Is the formation of Teams having a impact on Clans? Not really, everyone knows clan>team so the priority if both have an event at the same time is your clan. IF anything the impact would be from disloyal members that skip for teams and those arent even good members anyways.

 

What can be a solution?I don't think there is one, I don't think clans on TWR are dieing,is just that alot come in here for fights from time to time like CR and arent really active, theres still plenty of active clans in it just looking at "wars & run-ins" , in my opinion you just want people to think that there is some sort of bias towards clans/teams that dont like DV and therefore the TWR is dieing, but it isnt.

[imblooded]

Whats happening to clans, particularly in TWR?

Ever since TWR became team central, most clans left Tip.it. Let's face it, no legitimate clan with a committed member base is going to enjoy warring random teams of friends in a "W141 CWA" atmosphere, which is the reaction you will get if you mention TWR to any of the top clans.

 

Cr and Bk doesnt seem to have a problem warring in the TWR with teams and country clans.

 

This infestation of teams doesn't leave the committed clanner much of an option, either get out of Tip.it and join a legitimate clan on Zybez OR become a random teamer like everyone else.

 

There are still plenty of clans to join.... what makes Rsc clans more legit then Downfall, True ownage, Tempted Killers, Eternity, Ak-Latin, and others?

 

You can imagine the effect this is having on the clan world, since most of the committed clanners are joining the Top 10, other clans don't stand much of a chance at surviving.

 

Many clanners Prefer clans outside the top 10, clans are doing just fine.

 

I mean just take a look me, I am here to represent a legitimate clan here on TWR and look at the welcome I have received. I've been treated like a government inspector who just walked into a black market and am still waiting to receive approval into TWR.

 

You brought the welcome upon yourselves with Your Attitude.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the clan I represent is denied TWR access, it is blatantly obvious that TWR begun to display favoritism towards teams and discrimination against clans the moment Loge packed his bags and took off, I guess TWR clans shouldn't have taken him for granted. So you can understand why most legitimate clans don't appreciate the major team atmosphere here because it doesn't make clans feel welcome, however I also believe there are a real clans in TWR which are worth warring and that's the reason I am here.

 

I believe Loge was the one that defined the mutliclanning rule for TWR, which works in favor for teams and country clans.

 

Is the formation of Teams having a impact on Clans?

The formation of teams is detrimental to the very foundation of clans to say the least, why else would the head warlords of Divine Forces and The Titans disapprove of their members joining teams?

 

Yet Thealth, warlord of divine Forces, is in a team (Silent Ember).

 

More recently, why do you suppose BK would enforce the "No Teams allowed" rule? Think about it, why would one of the oldest clans on Runescape kick teamers when they already have their roots sown deep within the clan world? Nothing much to say really, the answer to this question pretty damn obvious.

 

they have their reasons, not many other clans enforce this rule.

 

What can be a solution?

A quote from this topic compliments of Lovelost: http://forum.tip.it/topic/229481-got-a-twr-related-questioncommentidea-post-it-here/page__st__80

 

It's on the clans own desicsion to allow multiclanners or not. If we clear multiclanners we take away a large chunk of active competitors. Some teams aren't here for the points like you stated, they are here for the planned wars that are always gaurenteed.

 

But if DV won't clear their multiclanners I suggest Downfall accept a full out and I will be there; as a multiclanner. More will join and then DV will cry. Taste of your own medicine is coming in the future DV i'd suggest you act NOW before I actually decide to follow through.

Thats where our opinons differ [ for once] two wrongs don't make a right. The realility should be set in stone, one clan per person, on and off site. Teams can get fights without points, and if they really need to use points to badger a clan into fighting obviously they should be fighting someone at a higher level.

 

I disagree with lovelost, the TWR would become less active and less appealing to other clans that might join.

[STDracula]

I believe that less people are introducing the offical clan to noobs and more people retiring runescape at a lower lvl.

The current clans are moving the requirement up meaning less low lvl joining the clan and only the experienced member stay and those with the right requirement stay.

Competition between other clans is so great that in a way stealing member of each other.

Oh also those new comer hates getting ts, vent, IRC incase it give them a 'virus' or manage to 'hack' them.

 

^ that is just a few reason why clans is dying probably more.

[CruelKiller]

Whats happening to clans, particularly in TWR ?

i dont think they got any problems..just clans leaving cause of internal problems

 

Is the formation of Teams having a impact on Clans?

Uhm..not much but a bit

 

What can be a solution?

i dont think theres a solution..

[TitansRevolution]

t is blatantly obvious that TWR begun to display favoritism towards teams and discrimination against

 

That's an interesting claim I've never heard made before. Do you mean to say that teams get more points than clans? Or that teams get rule preferences? If so, I'd love to see some examples. To the best of my knowledge, this has never been the case, since the day Loge_05 himself proposed the rule that defined multiclanning on the TWR.

I was not referring to rules or points, but to how long we had to wait for TWR approval. A team is usually added onto TWR within days, yet when our second official requested approval he was told to wait, wait and wait some more before you started ignoring him altogether. If that isn't called favouritism or discrimination what would you call it? It was a pity we had to involve an admin in all of this because things just take so long, the last time we came by TWR Loge managed to approve us with a day, while this time around it took about 2 weeks.

 

I also recall that Tip.it had an interactive community of mixed level clans, I wonder what made all of them leave.

[OAndrew]

Maybe if you didn't come with sucn an attitude they may have approved you faster :thumbup: , also that doesnt show how theres a favouritism towards teams? Im sure it took the same to lnd or blasphemy to get accepted because they didn't come in flaming tip.it itself.

[TitansRevolution]

Maybe if you didn't come with sucn an attitude they may have approved you faster :thumbup: , also that doesnt show how theres a favouritism towards teams? Im sure it took the same to lnd or blasphemy to get accepted because they didn't come in flaming tip.it itself.

When did I ever flame Tip.it itself? I only stated my personal opinion regarding teams, which some people on the staff board may have taken offense to and tried to barr us from TWR in an attempt to get back at us. If a mod did that then that mod wouldn't be doing his/her job and would in effect be discriminating against me for my view in support of more Tip.it clans, and if there is such a mod I do believe the admins will eventually find out. My posts were only aimed at bringing forth the truth of why TWR only has a few clans remaining and are not in anyway meant to offend anyone, if you disagree with my views then you can just ignore me.

 

There is a big difference between being outspoken and having an attitude problem, learn to recognize the difference.

[OAndrew]

You came in saying tip.it and the twr was bad because it was the home to team and that was the reason most top clans are in rsc (REASON WICH IS FALSE AS I PROVED IN THE TWR SUGGESTIONS) and you haven't stopped talking about how mods fail since you joined. Dont say you never flamed anyone because ,you did. If my memory doesnt fail I read one post where you even real-life flamed dandaman619 saying he was 20 and living in his moms basement.You also flamed CLANS like downfall, not only teams.All I need to learn from you is you think everyone is against you if they disagree with you , which is not true, Because I agree teams shouldnt be on twr too.

[TitansRevolution]

You came in saying tip.it and the twr was bad because it was the home to team and that was the reason most top clans are in rsc (REASON WICH IS FALSE AS I PROVED IN THE TWR SUGGESTIONS) and you haven't stopped talking about how mods fail since you joined. Dont say you never flamed anyone because ,you did. If my memory doesnt fail I read one post where you even real-life flamed dandaman619 saying he was 20 and living in his moms basement.You also flamed CLANS like downfall, not only teams.All I need to learn from you is you think everyone is against you if they disagree with you , which is not true, Because I agree teams shouldnt be on twr too.

You need to understand one thing, because I don't flame. I only defend myself should someone else flame me FIRST, the last time I checked acting in self defense is never a crime. You also need to check the validity of what I have said and what I will continue to say, because if you read them thoroughly enough you will find that they all true given my point of view. The reason my point of view is different from the majority of the Tip.it community is because I come from a clan environment, in which there are different expectations and codes of conduct. And I never flamed Downfall, I just defended my clan by revealing the several truths behind Downfall when Amatuernoob flamed my clan out of nowhere. I even have links to when Downfall asked us for CWA playoffs, would you like the links?

[OAndrew]

You came in saying tip.it and the twr was bad because it was the home to team and that was the reason most top clans are in rsc (REASON WICH IS FALSE AS I PROVED IN THE TWR SUGGESTIONS) and you haven't stopped talking about how mods fail since you joined. Dont say you never flamed anyone because ,you did. If my memory doesnt fail I read one post where you even real-life flamed dandaman619 saying he was 20 and living in his moms basement.You also flamed CLANS like downfall, not only teams.All I need to learn from you is you think everyone is against you if they disagree with you , which is not true, Because I agree teams shouldnt be on twr too.

You need to understand one thing, because I don't flame. I only defend myself should someone else flame me FIRST, the last time I checked acting in self defense is never a crime. You also need to check the validity of what I have said and what I will continue to say, because if you read them thoroughly enough you will find that they all true given my point of view. The reason my point of view is different from the majority of the Tip.it community is because I come from a clan environment, in which there are different expectations and codes of conduct. And I never flamed Downfall, I just defended my clan by revealing the several truths behind Downfall when Amatuernoob flamed my clan out of nowhere. I even have links to when Downfall asked us for CWA playoffs, would you like the links?

 

I read the whole convo rofl, I know your the one that flamed him first but w/e. Also is this background your talking about 141? from what i know most people there are multiclaners and hop between clanchats of so "warring clans".

 

About Downfall, some might be in my team, I dont really care about them. If they want to make playoffs , I dont really care, anything is better than no food/pray/potions wars in plateu.

[Danny_TeamDan]

You came in saying tip.it and the twr was bad because it was the home to team and that was the reason most top clans are in rsc (REASON WICH IS FALSE AS I PROVED IN THE TWR SUGGESTIONS) and you haven't stopped talking about how mods fail since you joined. Dont say you never flamed anyone because ,you did. If my memory doesnt fail I read one post where you even real-life flamed dandaman619 saying he was 20 and living in his moms basement.You also flamed CLANS like downfall, not only teams.All I need to learn from you is you think everyone is against you if they disagree with you , which is not true, Because I agree teams shouldnt be on twr too.

You need to understand one thing, because I don't flame. I only defend myself should someone else flame me FIRST, the last time I checked acting in self defense is never a crime. You also need to check the validity of what I have said and what I will continue to say, because if you read them thoroughly enough you will find that they all true given my point of view. The reason my point of view is different from the majority of the Tip.it community is because I come from a clan environment, in which there are different expectations and codes of conduct. And I never flamed Downfall, I just defended my clan by revealing the several truths behind Downfall when Amatuernoob flamed my clan out of nowhere. I even have links to when Downfall asked us for CWA playoffs, would you like the links?

 

 

Selfdefense ^?

[TitansRevolution]

@Andrew: Go take some English lessons before you try to act like you are intelligent, you either can't read or the words I am using are too complex for you to understand. I have proof to back up my statements, you have nothing to back up yours. And as they say, no pic = no proof.

 

@Amateurnoob: Nice comeback, "broski" (whatever that means in your deranged version of english)

 

@Dandaman: Great stuff, I never imagined that you would admit that trolls like yourself are indeed the problem. If people like you weren't trolling, I wouldn't need to put up a defense, and the trolls wouldn't get fed would they now?

 

Anyway I'm going to be off for the rest of the day so see you all tomorrow, have fun trolling.

[Amateurnoob]

 

@Amateurnoob: Nice comeback, "broski" (whatever that means in your deranged version of english)

 

 

 

Wasn't a comeback, was a request, I hear they're more organized than 141 nights out.

[indianishere]

When I posted this topic, I had not imagined it be a flame/bait/troll topic.

I wanted to get the feedback and if possible a solution from the community members as to what's happening in TWR.

 

I wasn't able to point some of the facts in my original post, the clans listed in the lower half of the TWR rankings, namely The Moriquendi had there last war in Nov-15, CR last fought a war on Dec-29, RT last fought a war on Dec-27.

What could be the possible reason as to them not warring? The TICT started from Feb-2010, so it cannot be made a reason.

 

A enforcing rule should be introduced, as to a certain clan cannot declare on its favored clan until it has fought 3 or 5 other clans, (not to be taken as flame/troll but Downfall tried to declare on DV, after we had left TWR, and considering we had warred Df on Jan-9th)

 

The clans in general are feeling the heat, in other words slumping, A PRO - ACTIVE initiative rather than a LACK - LUSTER aftermath is what can save the day. :thumbup:

[Krist115]

@titansRev or whoever u are

 

Your telling us that WE 141????????????? are u sure about that?? look at urself before u point fingers.

 

i agree with Danda, it aint dying

[Sumit]

Clans merge or die when they slump because there is no clans to war in the small region.

 

Or they remake the same clan over and over

for example

 

KTS > DA > POISON

 

Poison will die in 1-3 months there will be a remake in about 6 :>

[Jack]

Clans merge or die when they slump because there is no clans to war in the small region.

 

Or they remake the same clan over and over

for example

 

KTS > DA > POISON

 

Poison will die in 1-3 months there will be a remake in about 6 :>

 

Or they join CR if they don't make a new clan?

[TitansRevolution]

Why on earth would I be mad? I always have evidence for my claims, your the one who can't back up your ridiculous statements. Having a conversation with you is like talking to my dog, except my dog is smart enough to know when to keep his trap shut.

 

Anyway to get back on topic, Indianishere is correct to presume that most of the legit clans here are slumping. My theory was based on teams being the primary catalyst, but by the looks of things everybody obviously doesn't agree. That is fine in itself, I'm happy to fight off a community of flamers who can't handle the truth, especially since joining a legit clan is far beyond them. I say just remove all the teams from TWR, why would the same people under different Runeheads want a rank for the names of their teams anyway? It's not like they want be held responsible for anything, they probably don't even care about the image and stature of their team names, the people who do are in proper clans not random W141 style teams.

[Gaz]

Why on earth would I be mad? I always have evidence for my claims, your the one who can't back up your ridiculous statements. Having a conversation with you is like talking to my dog, except my dog is smart enough to know when to keep his trap shut.

 

Anyway to get back on topic, Indianishere is correct to presume that most of the legit clans here are slumping. My theory was based on teams being the primary catalyst, but by the looks of things everybody obviously doesn't agree. That is fine in itself, I'm happy to fight off a community of flamers who can't handle the truth, especially since joining a legit clan is far beyond them. I say just remove all the teams from TWR, why would the same people under different Runeheads want a rank for the names of their teams anyway? It's not like they want be held responsible for anything, they probably don't even care about the image and stature of their team names, the people who do are in proper clans not random W141 style teams.

 

How can teams make a clan slump? Nearly everybody goes Clans > Teams and so there would be no reason for Teams to be making Clans slump. We can handle the truth and the truth is that your wrong because teams always come after clans.

 

Removing all the teams from TWR wouldn't be a good suggestion, most of the teams on the list have a TWR memberlist of which only people on the ml can fight on and so they can only fight for their main clan in TWR if they're in TWR. If someone wasn't in a main TWR clan then they would be allowed to fight for the TWR team that they are in. And the last bit? Are you accusing LND and TKO and teams such like as that to be world 141 style? Seriously... Learn a bit more about the teams before you make suggestions like that.

[OAndrew]

Why on earth would I be mad? I always have evidence for my claims, your the one who can't back up your ridiculous statements. Having a conversation with you is like talking to my dog, except my dog is smart enough to know when to keep his trap shut.

 

Anyway to get back on topic, Indianishere is correct to presume that most of the legit clans here are slumping. My theory was based on teams being the primary catalyst, but by the looks of things everybody obviously doesn't agree. That is fine in itself, I'm happy to fight off a community of flamers who can't handle the truth, especially since joining a legit clan is far beyond them. I say just remove all the teams from TWR, why would the same people under different Runeheads want a rank for the names of their teams anyway? It's not like they want be held responsible for anything, they probably don't even care about the image and stature of their team names, the people who do are in proper clans not random W141 style teams.

 

 

Your clan is more 141 than any clan/team here. Your the only one that asks for no food no pot no prayer wars. Your the only one that has homeworld as 141.And probably the only one that ever mentioned the so-called "Playoffs" in this boards. You remind me of poor people that try to pretend they have wealth and instead of spending money on food or health they try to dress well to show a false image of them.

[Jack]

Anyway to get back on topic, Indianishere is correct to presume that most of the legit clans here are slumping. My theory was based on teams being the primary catalyst, but by the looks of things everybody obviously doesn't agree.

 

How can teams be the primary catalyst of why clans slump? A good team would tell their members that their clan comes before their team, I'm in TPR and a team called FM made by a few of the members in T0 and TK. In TPR we try to arrange wars around our member's clan's events, in other words to maximise the effiency of our pull. But if T0 had an event at the same time TPR had an event, I would clearly go to T0's event, as the basic principal of clan before team comes into play for every single person in TPR. Also, it's nice to see members from my clan step up and have a chance in facing the responsibilities of leading a team, aswell as getting basic leading experience and getting practice at warring skills, which in the long run benefits T0 as a clan as we have more experienced members, and more people who are able to lead. Please explain your theory before applying it as it makes little sense, but if Indianishere had been in DV/clanning for more than a year(no offense here), he'd know this time is not the best time to be playing for members and the pull will drop abit. Wait until Easter and you'll see a lot more activity in the 'legit clans', but please answer my questions about your theory, as I'd quite like to see why you think like that.

[20Rice04]

titansrev nice ragequit, where you mad?

 

Nice flame bait :thumbup:

 

Your clan is more 141 than any clan/team here. Your the only one that asks for no food no pot no prayer wars. Your the only one that has homeworld as 141.

 

1. show me a war where we've had food pots and prayer off? :ohnoes:

 

2. Having your homeworld set as W141 does not mean anything other than most of our members were originally from clan wars and still enjoy it there. I'm more than certain that players like Vannaka enjoy clan warring a much as me and he probably still does it on a regular basis; do you flame him for that? (Sorry if this offended you Van d00d but idk why it w00d, just an 3xampl0rz)

 

Furthermore a homeworld doesn't really MEAN anything- it's just where you'll probably primarily find most of our members at any given time which is NOT the case anymore.

 

You remind me of a poor person who has became rich and left those he once called friends rotting in the gutter. Just because you have better stats than those around you in a game does not mean you need abandon those whom you once called friend. :shame:

[Amateurnoob]

Why on earth would I be mad? I always have evidence for my claims, your the one who can't back up your ridiculous statements. Having a conversation with you is like talking to my dog, except my dog is smart enough to know when to keep his trap shut.

 

Anyway to get back on topic, Indianishere is correct to presume that most of the legit clans here are slumping. My theory was based on teams being the primary catalyst, but by the looks of things everybody obviously doesn't agree. That is fine in itself, I'm happy to fight off a community of flamers who can't handle the truth, especially since joining a legit clan is far beyond them. I say just remove all the teams from TWR, why would the same people under different Runeheads want a rank for the names of their teams anyway? It's not like they want be held responsible for anything, they probably don't even care about the image and stature of their team names, the people who do are in proper clans not random W141 style teams.

 

I wonder if you have read the rules, you cannot participate in a clan/team war on TWR, its one or the other, I've never known anyone to choose team>clan, therefore teams just give extra wars. On top of that if we're getting rid of teams, we need to get rid of country clans, Goodbye Hp, Goodbye DH, there goes half of the TWR clans, at this point in time, I will see TWR as worthless, and I will pull Downfall out, bye bye most active clan 2009. If we go and all these country clans and teams go I can guarantee other clans will surely leave and TWR will become inactive. I think someone is trying to kill TWR.

 

titansrev nice ragequit, where you mad?

 

Nice flame bait :thumbup:

 

Your clan is more 141 than any clan/team here. Your the only one that asks for no food no pot no prayer wars. Your the only one that has homeworld as 141.

 

1. show me a war where we've had food pots and prayer off? :ohnoes:

 

2. Having your homeworld set as W141 does not mean anything other than most of our members were originally from clan wars and still enjoy it there. I'm more than certain that players like Vannaka enjoy clan warring a much as me and he probably still does it on a regular basis; do you flame him for that? (Sorry if this offended you Van d00d but idk why it w00d, just an 3xampl0rz)

 

Furthermore a homeworld doesn't really MEAN anything- it's just where you'll probably primarily find most of our members at any given time which is NOT the case anymore.

 

You remind me of a poor person who has became rich and left those he once called friends rotting in the gutter. Just because you have better stats than those around you in a game does not mean you need abandon those whom you once called friend. :shame:

 

As for you my dear friend, When Downfall wanted a war with you, you made us turn either pray or food off, we chose prayer, I L O L E D so hard, that you were so stubborn about the wars, you guys had absolutely no KO power and we lol'd at every 1 hit we had, appreciated the free points and 5 minute war though, CBF to go find it in archives feel free to though.

[Danny_TeamDan]

 

Guys seriously, stop feeding TR here.

 

TR remind me of when I was w141 prod, I walked around with a huge ego thinking I could tank etc, claiming that other clans multiclanned, he just has clan pride that's all. He's the type of troll that we've all probably been. The one that thinks they know everything and tries to act smart about it, over time they will either realize how wrong they were or continue. If they continue they obviously want to fight with you and you're giving them that fight. This is the type of troll that goes around and claims win wether you proove him wrong or not, he won't admit defeat because he's too blind.

[20Rice04]

Why on earth would I be mad? I always have evidence for my claims, your the one who can't back up your ridiculous statements. Having a conversation with you is like talking to my dog, except my dog is smart enough to know when to keep his trap shut.

 

Anyway to get back on topic, Indianishere is correct to presume that most of the legit clans here are slumping. My theory was based on teams being the primary catalyst, but by the looks of things everybody obviously doesn't agree. That is fine in itself, I'm happy to fight off a community of flamers who can't handle the truth, especially since joining a legit clan is far beyond them. I say just remove all the teams from TWR, why would the same people under different Runeheads want a rank for the names of their teams anyway? It's not like they want be held responsible for anything, they probably don't even care about the image and stature of their team names, the people who do are in proper clans not random W141 style teams.

 

I wonder if you have read the rules, you cannot participate in a clan/team war on TWR, its one or the other, I've never known anyone to choose team>clan, therefore teams just give extra wars. On top of that if we're getting rid of teams, we need to get rid of country clans, Goodbye Hp, Goodbye DH, there goes half of the TWR clans, at this point in time, I will see TWR as worthless, and I will pull Downfall out, bye bye most active clan 2009. If we go and all these country clans and teams go I can guarantee other clans will surely leave and TWR will become inactive. I think someone is trying to kill TWR.

 

titansrev nice ragequit, where you mad?

 

Nice flame bait :thumbup:

 

Your clan is more 141 than any clan/team here. Your the only one that asks for no food no pot no prayer wars. Your the only one that has homeworld as 141.

 

1. show me a war where we've had food pots and prayer off? :ohnoes:

 

2. Having your homeworld set as W141 does not mean anything other than most of our members were originally from clan wars and still enjoy it there. I'm more than certain that players like Vannaka enjoy clan warring a much as me and he probably still does it on a regular basis; do you flame him for that? (Sorry if this offended you Van d00d but idk why it w00d, just an 3xampl0rz)

 

Furthermore a homeworld doesn't really MEAN anything- it's just where you'll probably primarily find most of our members at any given time which is NOT the case anymore.

 

You remind me of a poor person who has became rich and left those he once called friends rotting in the gutter. Just because you have better stats than those around you in a game does not mean you need abandon those whom you once called friend. :shame:

 

As for you my dear friend, When Downfall wanted a war with you, you made us turn either pray or food off, we chose prayer, I L O L E D so hard, that you were so stubborn about the wars, you guys had absolutely no KO power and we lol'd at every 1 hit we had, appreciated the free points and 5 minute war though, CBF to go find it in archives feel free to though.

 

so you mean that we didn't have food and prayer and pots off all at once, just like I asked? Oh well that's okay then :) idk if you realised but we were just stubborn about those things becaue we couldn't be bothered warring you :)

 

and sorry about our defeat and k0s, because Downfall was born a clan that was just AWESOME, they've still never lost a war let alone ever had one of their members k0d, as I said earlier, you've forgotten where you came from; you scrutinise and critisize those who aren't as 'good' as you........

 

but hey, thanks for proving my point.

 

and @ Dan, fanks :) :wub: