Having higher levels DOES give you the right to crash other people. Whether you do so or not is up to you.

This is why I barely talk in-game anymore. People getting riled up in situations like this that really, contribute NOTHING to the game.

 

There are plenty of worlds where the competition is not so fierce. It's not as if every world is packed with high levels who are going to crash weaker opponents.

 

This is lacking common sense and if you find this as a serious problem, then tough. That's life.

 

 

Don't do to others what you don't want done to yourself - What about you go tell that to murderers, robbers, thieves, conmen, etc, instead of wasting time lecturing us? They're committing crimes of actual consequence; we're simply wasting a few seconds of your life. Wait - you Americans are the ones pontificating about human rights, trying to abolish death sentences, etc. By your anecdote, the death sentence should stand since murderers should be murdered.

 

It means that if you want people to treat you well then you should treat them well. Likewise, treat people like crap and they'll also treat you like crap.

 

You legitimise crashing. That's ok br0mie. But don't come here crying in case you get crashed at a mining, woodcutting or combat spot.

 

Why bring up the death row subject? Is this some kind of new godwin?

 

 

Don't do to others what you don't want done to yourself - What about you go tell that to murderers, robbers, thieves, conmen, etc, instead of wasting time lecturing us? They're committing crimes of actual consequence; we're simply wasting a few seconds of your life. Wait - you Americans are the ones pontificating about human rights, trying to abolish death sentences, etc. By your anecdote, the death sentence should stand since murderers should be murdered.

 

It means that if you want people to treat you well then you should treat them well. Likewise, treat people like crap and they'll also treat you like crap.

 

You legitimise crashing. That's ok br0mie. But don't come here crying in case you get crashed at a mining, woodcutting or combat spot.

 

Why bring up the death row subject? Is this some kind of new godwin?

 

You think I don't understand your anecdote? How stupid can people get?

 

Have I ever posted a thread or even a post for that matter whining about getting crashed? If I get crashed I'll simply compete or just change worlds instead of wasting everyone's time by posting a thread on such a trivial issue.

 

Why I bring up the death row subject as you call it is because it shows you how stupid the anecdote is in some situations, so you'll stop taking it like some almighty, divine rule or something.

lmao this is soo sad fighting beacouse of crashers...It's not anybodys fault your slow a clicker or you are lower level :wall:

You have the right to crash anyone anywhere if you can.

 

This.

 

If you don't want to get crashed, train more, get higher levels like herblore for extremes, or just simply raising your melee stats...

 

For example, Bandos, crashing people makes you last longer, giving you more profit for what you spent in supplies, less food used, less effort..

You have the right to crash anyone anywhere if you can.

 

This.

 

If you don't want to get crashed, train more, get higher levels like herblore for extremes, or just simply raising your melee stats...

 

For example, Bandos, crashing people makes you last longer, giving you more profit for what you spent in supplies, less food used, less effort..

 

Uh...I think the opposition isn't arguing about whether we have the RIGHT to, but whether we SHOULD.

You have the right to crash anyone anywhere if you can.

 

This.

 

If you don't want to get crashed, train more, get higher levels like herblore for extremes, or just simply raising your melee stats...

 

For example, Bandos, crashing people makes you last longer, giving you more profit for what you spent in supplies, less food used, less effort..

 

Uh...I think the opposition isn't arguing about whether we have the RIGHT to, but whether we SHOULD.

 

Pretty much presented reasons why you should...

You have the right to crash anyone anywhere if you can.

 

This.

 

If you don't want to get crashed, train more, get higher levels like herblore for extremes, or just simply raising your melee stats...

 

For example, Bandos, crashing people makes you last longer, giving you more profit for what you spent in supplies, less food used, less effort..

 

Uh...I think the opposition isn't arguing about whether we have the RIGHT to, but whether we SHOULD.

 

Pretty much presented reasons why you should...

 

He means morally.

You have the right to crash anyone anywhere if you can.

 

This.

 

If you don't want to get crashed, train more, get higher levels like herblore for extremes, or just simply raising your melee stats...

 

For example, Bandos, crashing people makes you last longer, giving you more profit for what you spent in supplies, less food used, less effort..

 

Uh...I think the opposition isn't arguing about whether we have the RIGHT to, but whether we SHOULD.

 

Pretty much presented reasons why you should...

 

He means morally.

 

 

 

 

 

People on the internet have morals?

You have the right to crash anyone anywhere if you can.

 

This.

 

If you don't want to get crashed, train more, get higher levels like herblore for extremes, or just simply raising your melee stats...

 

For example, Bandos, crashing people makes you last longer, giving you more profit for what you spent in supplies, less food used, less effort..

 

Uh...I think the opposition isn't arguing about whether we have the RIGHT to, but whether we SHOULD.

 

Pretty much presented reasons why you should...

 

He means morally.

 

 

 

 

 

People on the internet have morals?

 

Precisely. That is why the proposition's (OP) notion must fall.

WAAH WAAH JADGAX! SOMEONE IS BETTER THAN ME :cry: :cry: :cry:

You think it's disrepsectful that someone crashes you? It's disrepsectful that you think you own a world. People have a right to use their stats, if you don't like it stay in single combat. There are many open mole worlds, if you can't get any kills YOU should be the one hopping.

"It's disrepsectful that you think you own a world" - As disrespectful as thinking you're entitled to crash someone whenever you please? Like a badass E-Boss?

 

But heck with it. This is the internets so it's ok.

 

Yeah and the dog queue sums this issue up perfectly. Some crashers are too dumb to choose the shorter ones.

"It's disrepsectful that you think you own a world" - As disrespectful as thinking you're entitled to crash someone whenever you please? Like a badass E-Boss? Thinking you own the world is acting like you are some E-Boss. Crashing is simply "cutting" a (non-existent, player-created, arbritrary) queue.

 

But heck with it. This is the internets so it's ok. You realised it at last!!

 

Yeah and the dog queue sums this issue up perfectly. Some crashers are too dumb to choose the shorter ones. Would you rather cut an arbitrary queue 1m from you or walk 1km to get to a place without a queue?

he put more effort into his levels than you, i think it should give an advantage

 

stop being such a little brat and get out of the dreaded "mine" phase already

You have the right to crash anyone anywhere if you can.

 

This.

 

If you don't want to get crashed, train more, get higher levels like herblore for extremes, or just simply raising your melee stats...

 

For example, Bandos, crashing people makes you last longer, giving you more profit for what you spent in supplies, less food used, less effort..

 

Uh...I think the opposition isn't arguing about whether we have the RIGHT to, but whether we SHOULD.

 

Pretty much presented reasons why you should...

 

He means morally.

 

 

 

 

 

People on the internet have morals?

 

Precisely. That is why the proposition's (OP) notion must fall.

 

As I stated before, morality is just an invention of the weak to control the strong. The sense of entitlement and "right" here is just ridiculous.

As I stated before, morality is just an invention of the weak to control the strong. The sense of entitlement and "right" here is just ridiculous.

This is both simplistic and stupid.

 

Ethical behavior (not morality -- there is a difference) is what enables human beings to coexist. There's a reason why every society in history has had an ethical code; without it, anarchy ensues.

 

It's a simple matter of decency and fairness -- treating others as you would want to be treated. As someone else said, it's not about what you *can* do, it's about what you *should* do.

 

If someone wants to be selfish, then fine, just recognize what you are doing and why. And don't complain when it gets done to you.

 

Oh, and take heart that you use the identical lame rationalizations used by mercher pyramid schemes, gold farmers, account traders, botters and hackers. They use the exact same "arguments" to justify *their* unethical behavior. It's only a matter of degree.

As I stated before, morality is just an invention of the weak to control the strong. The sense of entitlement and "right" here is just ridiculous.

This is both simplistic and stupid.

 

Ethical behavior (not morality -- there is a difference) is what enables human beings to coexist. There's a reason why every society in history has had an ethical code; without it, anarchy ensues.

 

It's a simple matter of decency and fairness -- treating others as you would want to be treated. As someone else said, it's not about what you *can* do, it's about what you *should* do.

 

If someone wants to be selfish, then fine, just recognize what you are doing and why. And don't complain when it gets done to you.

 

Oh, and take heart that you use the identical lame rationalizations used by mercher pyramid schemes, gold farmers, account traders, botters and hackers. They use the exact same "arguments" to justify *their* unethical behavior. It's only a matter of degree.

 

This is a video game. Competition is fine ethically because ultimately losing your spot at the mole or anywhere else in-game isn't going to have an effect outside of Runescape.

 

Morality in Runescape is just a crutch used by people so they can take their ball and stomp home in a big huff, while pretending that they weren't acting like a child.

This is a video game. Competition is fine ethically because ultimately losing your spot at the mole or anywhere else in-game isn't going to have an effect outside of Runescape.

 

Morality in Runescape is just a crutch used by people so they can take their ball and stomp home in a big huff, while pretending that they weren't acting like a child.

This isn't about competition. It's about treating others in a reasonable manner.

 

There are naturally competitive areas of the game, sure. But there are still ways to treat others reasonably, rather than being an asshat and pretending it's okay because you care only about yourself.

 

The "it's a video game" argument doesn't wash. Or are you going to state here and now that you have no problem with RWT, macroing, hacking, account trading, encouraging rule breaking? After all, it's "just a game".

This isn't about competition. It's about treating others in a reasonable manner.

 

There are naturally competitive areas of the game, sure. But there are still ways to treat others reasonably, rather than being an asshat and pretending it's okay because you care only about yourself.

 

The "it's a video game" argument doesn't wash. Or are you going to state here and now that you have no problem with RWT, macroing, hacking, account trading, encouraging rule breaking? After all, it's "just a game".

 

Real world trading does affect people outside of the game, including the company itself. The rest are unfair advantages that break the game's rules. Nice straw man, but half-assed arguments like that aren't going to work on me.

 

There are limited resources in Runescape, and in other MMOs, except unlike Runescape in other MMOs you often don't get the luxury of being able to switch servers, so if a clan has decided to camp a non-instanced boss for the night, you're screwed 100% and you know what the developers will tell you? Deal with it. Roll a character on another server, or find something else to do for the night, or get your own clan and stomp them out of business.

 

You bring up this concept of who deserves what, without using the word itself, and presume that anyone who "crashes" is an asshat. I think you need to take a step back and look at your own situation:

 

You're like the person in a store who sees someone take the last [insert item here] on the shelf that you wanted, and immediately thinks "Wow, what a selfish jerk who doesn't care about others who might have wanted [insert item here]." You don't care about "others" who wanted it, you were looking out for your best interest. In fact, if you didn't want it, you would not have even given a first glance, let alone a second.

Real world trading does affect people outside of the game, including the company itself. The rest are unfair advantages that break the game's rules. Nice straw man, but half-assed arguments like that aren't going to work on me.

Actually, they aren't strawman arguments at all. They're entirely valid analogies, which is why you're engaging in a lot of huffing and puffing rather than addressing them.

 

Several of those examples are of behavior that is frowned upon but that occurs because of an "anything goes, this is the Internet" type attitude.

 

As soon as you use the word "unfair", you are effectively admitting that ethics *is* a consideration on the Internet, and in games. Because if it isn't, if anything goes, who cares about fairness?

 

As for the game's rules, that too is irrelevant to the matter of ethical behavior. Ethics and the law are often diametrically opposed, and decent people have to make choices to do what's right, not just to mindlessly follow the rules. I'd give an obvious example but don't want to Godwin the thread. :P

 

Jagex changes the rules all the time. Are you saying they are the sole arbiters of appropriate behavior towards others? A couple of years ago they legalized luring into the Wild for a month, did that make it right? If you decide what's right based on others' rules, you have my sympathies, as letting others dictate your ethics is a poor way to live.

 

There are limited resources in Runescape

In cases where they are truly limited, then crashing is acceptable. But many examples exist where crashing occurs out of laziness or spite, and that's not acceptable. At least, if you don't want to be an asshat.

 

and in other MMOs

Don't care.

 

You're like the person in a store who sees someone take the last [insert item here] on the shelf that you wanted, and immediately thinks "Wow, what a selfish jerk who doesn't care about others who might have wanted [insert item here]."

That's a laughably poor analogy.

 

The person who takes the last item on the shelf is analagous to the one who is already in a spot. The person who comes up afterwards is the crasher. So you've got that rather backwards.

 

My position is that the person who was there first and got the last item on the shelf gets to keep it; if I want it, I need to ask the guy for it, and if he says no, try another store. Your position is that if there's only one item on the shelf and the other guy got there first, it's perfectly fine for you to take it by force if you are strong enough to rip it out of his hands and fast enough to run away before the security guards show up.

 

Of course you could never get away with this in real life, but you can in a game, where people can act like obnoxious jerks with no consequence. Doesn't change the fact that they are obnoxious jerks.

 

I wonder if people like you realize just how much you reveal about your own character in discussions like these. I hope for your sake that you're anonymous, because I don't think for a minute that the attitude you express here wouldn't carry forward to real life situations.

You're like the person in a store who sees someone take the last [insert item here] on the shelf that you wanted, and immediately thinks "Wow, what a selfish jerk who doesn't care about others who might have wanted [insert item here]."

That's a laughably poor analogy.

 

The person who takes the last item on the shelf is analagous to the one who is already in a spot. The person who comes up afterwards is the crasher. So you've got that rather backwards.

 

My position is that the person who was there first and got the last item on the shelf gets to keep it; if I want it, I need to ask the guy for it, and if he says no, try another store. Your position is that if there's only one item on the shelf and the other guy got there first, it's perfectly fine for you to take it by force if you are strong enough to rip it out of his hands and fast enough to run away before the security guards show up.

 

That's a laughably poor analogy.

 

You go to a restaurant three days in a row, and sit at the same table. The fourth day, you arrive to find that somebody made a reservation and was given the table you had sat at the past three days. You go over and politely ask them to move using such valid arguments as "Crasher n00b gtfo" and "You're an asshat".

 

The owner of the restaurant walks over and tells you that you had no right to the table, and you say he's an "obnoxious jerk" with no morals.

 

Of course you could never get away with this in real life, but you can in a game, where people can act like obnoxious jerks with no consequence. Doesn't change the fact that they are obnoxious jerks.

Cry moar son.

 

I wonder if people like you realize just how much you reveal about your own character in discussions like these. I hope for your sake that you're anonymous, because I don't think for a minute that the attitude you express here wouldn't carry forward to real life situations.

Personal attacks are always great to spice up an intelligent discussion. Your feet stink, and your ears stick out.

You go to a restaurant three days in a row, and sit at the same table. The fourth day, you arrive to find that somebody made a reservation and was given the table you had sat at the past three days. You go over and politely ask them to move using such valid arguments as "Crasher n00b gtfo" and "You're an asshat".

This analogy is so ridiculous that I scarcely even know what to do with it. You're trying to make fun of my position but apparently aren't capable of even understanding it. I don't support crashing, so I wouldn't be in that situation. The "three days in a row" thing is crap as well, but you knew that.

 

I'll try again using small words. My position is that if you come to a spot and someone is already there, that if possible you should try another spot or a different world. It has nothing to do with "rights" and "deserving" and everything to do with simple courtesy and treating others as you would like to be treated. I realize this is too complex a concept for some people.

 

The owner of the restaurant walks over and tells you that you had no right to the table, and you say he's an "obnoxious jerk" with no morals.

And then he sprouts wings, and flaps around the restaurant humming the theme from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail". Gotcha.

 

Of course you could never get away with this in real life, but you can in a game, where people can act like obnoxious jerks with no consequence. Doesn't change the fact that they are obnoxious jerks.

Cry moar son.

Thanks, that's an excellent example of what I was referring to.

Insert personal attack.

 

Insert irrelevant analogy

Insert retort

Insert personal attack.

 

Rinse repeat, thread over.

Ah, you decided to stay on the mat. Good decision.