Hegemony

[jasignhagj]

Seph, are you actually British?

[The Dark Lord]

Seph, are you actually British?

 

No. However, I'm a direct descendant of English colonists in America (Virginia, I believe) on both sides of my family.

 

So, I am ethnically English and have an affection for English history, hence the reason why I like to play as Britain or England or anything related (United States, etc.)

[Nero]

he's a weeabrit

[The Dark Lord]

he's a weeabrit

 

And you're a Wannabe Viking. ;)

[Nero]

he's a weeabrit

 

And you're a Wannabe Viking. ;)

Nah I prefer being Canadian, we have better pot.

 

+I don't have to live near Mather this way :lol:

[VEGHATERMEATLOVER]

All these math's problems are why I prefer GDP.

Because in real life space doesn't mean anything, it's the people and there education that mean something.

[The_Mather1]

Norway ain't that small, it's like saying Ross, Hex and Archi live near eachother, no wait, UK's smaller than Norway! Unless you happened to live in Åssiden the chances would be extremely slim that we'd ever meet, mouch slimmer even that we'd recognize eachother.

[Nero]

#-o

[VEGHATERMEATLOVER]

I probably have met Archi or seen Archi, I think going to a big city would mean that I've seen alot of people. Norways very un densly populated.

Is five years suitible for researching plastic conduction.

[VEGHATERMEATLOVER]

I probably have met Archi or seen Archi, I think going to a big city would mean that I've seen alot of people. Norways very un densly populated.

Is five years suitible for researching plastic conduction.

[meguy]

Country: brazil

Player:meguy

Leader Name: meguy

National Anthem: ?

Random Fact: 40 eridini is about 16 light years from earth

IAG: 601,732,000,000

Infrastructure: 1

first I will research laser technology and promote military service targeting around 8,000 people to join initialy (how much will this cost?)

[Retech]

Country: brazil

Player:meguy

Leader Name: meguy

National Anthem: ?

Random Fact: 40 eridini is about 16 light years from earth

IAG: 601,732,000,000

Infrastructure: 1

first I will research laser technology and promote military service targeting around 8,000 people to join initialy (how much will this cost?)

 

Since you don't start with an army or anything really, you could probaly recruit 50,000 or 100,000 a year, at least for a few years.

 

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Incase I don't get home before the next decade begins (I have cello today), all the money that isn't spent (aside from the 50% on infrastructure!) is spent on the SDI program.

[Posidenrules]

Spain trains 100,000 more troops then sends them to the Cote'Divore

and i'm still pea

[Retech]

Spain trains 100,000 more troops then sends them to the Cote'Divore

 

Did you PM a map, or give general directions? Like are troops crossing through Africa or sailing down the coast and landing? Archi needs to know these things, or lots of things could go wrong.

[Nexaduro]

Case in point under different circustances:

 

Poseidon tries to build an Underwater Palace

Poseidon-

You leap headfirst into a puddle to build a palace, and are knocked unconcious due to the puddle only being about 6 inches deep.

You begin to drown. In a 6 inch puddle.

[archimage_a]

You know I'm annexing Bulgaria, right?

Doesn't really matter.

Bulgaria declares war on Greece and reinforces Turkish Soliders.

[archimage_a]

Still annexing Germany

Right...That would cancel Grim's spending out.

 

All these math's problems are why I prefer GDP.

*Dies of Laughter*

The ONLY reason GDP worked was that everyone did their own thing.

Mather had a couple of thousand people living on postage stamps(relative size) and taxing them more than they were being paid with no ill effects.

He then tried to build 20 underwater city out of 5 billion Dollars...5 Billion Dollars won't even buy you a wooden shell to cover half a kilometer, let alone the Reinforced Glass, Titanium, Concrete megamix he was proposing.

Retech had his GDP doubling every 25 years. Gaining hundreds of billions ever year...far faster than he could actually spend it.

Sere tried to crash GDP repeated times, which everyone ignored.

I did away with GDP because it was totally ridiculous, seeing as I could do just about anything regardless of what my GDP actually was. But was Critised for 'not paying my people' when no one paid their people...

Dusty never played with a spreadsheet, so commonsense says that his GDP was estimated at best.

 

All of these 'Math problems' are the result of moderation...rather than just relying on people being reasonable, which the game is ill concieved for...since being reasonable while everyone around you is unreasonable leads to you getting seven kinds of tuesday kicked out of you.

 

 

I probably have met Archi or seen Archi, I think going to a big city would mean that I've seen alot of people.

It seems unlikely. There are 70 Million people living in the country and less than a million in most cities. Unless you happened to be travelling past my house and stuck your head through my window, since there is probably a months worth of time I spent in public places(outside of school), it is unlikely we have ever seen each other.

So the chances are pretty slim. Possible, yes, but improbable.

[The_Mather1]

I taxed them 40%, 20% and 10% of what they earned, and saying my two planets were as big as earth they would have 0,099093333333333333333333333333333 square km (aproximatley 99 square meters) each if they were 3t of them, and it never got that high.

[archimage_a]

(I am not sure of the figures because of the comma in a strange place but if everything is 100* higher then things should scale)

Ok, so your 750,000,000 (750 Hundred million) Humans live in 6,160,000 houses of varying types, along side 65,000,000(65 Million Jaffa) and 13,500(13 and a half thousand) Goa'uld. Thus there are 810,001,500 beings sharing 6,160,000 houses, which equates to 131.5 people sharing each house...which is fine for Pyramids but for apartments it seems a bit much.

Now, I realize that possibly you are not the only housing provider on your planet and so Hovels R Us might house most of the humans and Jaffa(For reasons below)

 

Humans are getting paid 4,000,000(4 Million) a year, and paying 5,000,000 (5 Million) a year for the cheapest accommodation. That is not all though, since 2 million of their income goes to you in tax. So, in actuality, to get by in your society the average citizen would have to take out a 3 million dollar/whatever loan, every year, to pay their taxes and pay for accommodation, without considering the price of food.

Jaffa have a slightly better deal, they get paid 5.5 million, are taxed for a quarter so thats 1.8 Million off...So they have a real wage of 4.13 million, still not enough to live in one of your houses though.

 

Which brings us on to the final problem with your system... The 135,000 Goa'uld do not need 6 million different houses to choose from. One assumes that the Pyramids and Mansions will probably take care of them. So your building companies should go out of business since the vast majority of your buildings go unused.

Now, this system is completely unsustainable. That much should be clear and unless you take drastic steps(Like lowering tax to a non-ridiculous amount, lowering the rent to a reasonable amount and canceling the huge debts that your citizens have managed to rack up) to curb your excesses the entire system will come crashing down. It should have already done so I am sure, now the figures are plain to see, you will adjust them.

 

Also, 3,000,000,000,000 divided by 1,020,144,000,000 equals approximately 3 people per meter...if it was 3 trillion. About 2 people per meter if it was 2 trillion.

Thats ignoring water, btw. If it was Land sized...

3,000,000,000,000 divided by 297,880,000,000 is 10 people per meter.

 

 

Hex-Added to the last bit...people don't understand GDP...paying everyone 4 million a year does not mean you get 2 million a year as tax and that equals the same as everyone else's money.

[hide]Basically the key to your economy is a massive amount of humans, which, if you increase their wages you increase their net profit for you(Since apparently you don't pay the wages and if you did you would be bankrupt in 1 year unless you slapped a 98% tax on Humans, a 99% tax on Jaffa and 40% tax on Goa'uld...At which point you would make a profit of 2,021,847,850,000. Which is more than you would get(under your system) if you cancelled tax and wages all together. Under this system you would make a 13,466,247,850,000 profit if you cancelled both...Though realistically that wouldn't happen.)

Anyway you can effectively set your own income by changing how much you pay humans, all the other factors amount to 19,004,847,850,000... When you compare that to humans 4,284,000,000,000,000 the actual point of including the others becomes questionable.

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[The_Mather1]

You know those prices were one-time only, not rent.

The numbers were the ones sold each year.

 

And were my two planets the size of Earth?

 

Also when going by land per household (4 people) the landmass of two Earth's would add up to 396 meters per household!

[archimage_a]

You know those prices were one-time only, not rent.

The numbers were the ones sold each year.

http://forum.tip.it/topic/247660-tipit-hegemony-v2-ended-2200/page__view__findpost__p__3948733

[hide]

Usually the growth rate of population is 2% per year. 2 percent of 750,000,000 is 1,450,000 thus you are overproducing in houses. Assuming people marry and house-share you are looking at even more of an overproduction... or you are looking at a long term housing shortage which you are only slowly filling... so that figure also needs to decrease to about 1/4 of what it is.

 

You have also not addressed the fact that humans can only afford the apartments, and so townhouses and such will be completely undersold, so all of them need to decrease too.

 

Also you don't factor human growth rate, so there are always the same number of humans, compared with the Jaffa and Goa'uld

 

Also, that is over 4 years, and there is a population increase of 14,002,000 but a housing increase of 24,620,000. Thus, unless 10 million people brought two or more houses.... Not factoring people dying and giving up their homes, people getting married and moving in together, the number who are children and not able to own their own home.... It also doesn't take into account the number of houses being demolished, but we can be sure that that will not offset the other factors.

Taking the average death rate, 1.8, we assume that 1,320,280 old houses come up for sale. We assume that approximately 2/5ths house share(or rather 4/5ths but 2/5ths are removed from the calculation.) Assuming that 18 is the age they move out that is near 33% (2% for 18 years, minus a bit for population being lower to start with) or 22,004,667 people cannot have their own house. Thus we assume that only 25,085,320 houses are needed TOTAL, not per year. (Or in this case per 4 years) So unless you are demolishing all house built over 4 years ago your figures don't add up.

 

Though adding Human growth might alter these in some way it is important to notice that Humans can only afford apartments.

[/hide]

 

And were my two planets the size of Earth?

 

Apparently.

 

Also when going by land per household (4 people) the landmass of two Earth's would add up to 396 meters per household!

 

Also 2.5 trillion(mid point) divided by 4 is 625,000,000,000. Earth has a land mass of 148,940,000...so thats 297,880,000 total.

There there are 2,099 households per kilometer. 2 houses per meter...Which is fairly obvouis when you think that there are 8,393 people living per kilometer if you have 2,500,000,000,000 people in 297,880,000 square kilometers.

[The_Mather1]

Look:

 

3,000,000,000,000/148,940,000/2 = 20,142.339,196,992,077,346,582,516,449,577

.../100,000(square meter per square kilometer)=2.0142339196992077346582516449577e-4~0.0002014

0.0002014/4=0.0000535

 

So each household would get aproximately 5,000,000 square meters.

 

You were right, I was way of. :razz:

 

 

And that post only further strenghtened my point that those were sales, not rents.

[Posidenrules]

Spain sends its army to the Straits of GIbralitar and takes a ship there and tells it troops to go to the Ivory Coast and tells it to avoid any citys

 

EDIT:

 

[Seraphi]

Tiny image is tiny.

 

Iran continues being awesome.

[a_bert]

Argentina begins to mass recruit troops in preparation for a war against Brazil.

 

I did warn you!