So no one has considered that the person who did this might have just been an angry american who lost his home to the banks and just wants pay back?

 

Why does everyone shout "terrorist!" everytime a pin drops these days.

 

 

Normally in that situation people go on shooting spree's rather than making bombs. Bombs seem to take more planning and knowledge. Also the flight to Dubai gives the person links to the Arabic world.

So no one has considered that the person who did this might have just been an angry american who lost his home to the banks and just wants pay back?

 

Why does everyone shout "terrorist!" everytime a pin drops these days.

I think, under the official definition, that person would also be a terrorist. Maybe.

Yep I meant Taliban. However, nowadays the gov't and the Taliban are relatively the same thing. (Even if the gov't won't acknowledge it)

 

Unless you have proof that the Pakistani government is sanctioning the actions of the group of extremists I would say that's a very ignorant assumption indeed.

 

The strange device in Pittsburgh was a pipe bomb that failed to go off. They had to divert the marathon route that went downtown because of it. My college had a group running to raise money for my Adviser's ovarian cancer treatments during this marathon, so it was a small shock when they switched things up like that.

 

It would be somewhat shocking if this fellow who was responsible for the car bomb had just flown from Pittsburgh to Times Square...Seems unlikely. Like a terrorist attempting to maximize the, pardon the pun, terror. Conspiracies are more threatening than a single person acting alone.

 

 

Wha? Taliban are not a "group of extremists" while they may be a group they are very much the true gov't force in most of those countries. Not ignorant at all, I've done my research.... have you?

The difference between christian extremism and islamic extremism is that christian extremists seem to make sure to kill only those they are against (ie. abortion clinic shootings), while islamic terrorists don't care if their bomb kills 50 'brothers of the faith'.

 

Anyways, its scary how easy it is for someone to make a bomb. That's why the government needs to create laws against hate preaching, in both christian churches and islamic mosques.

 

Anyways, its scary how easy it is for someone to make a bomb. That's why the government needs to create laws against hate preaching, in both christian churches and islamic mosques.

I can see that easily passing as law for the latter, but the former...You're going to have quite a lot of crazy churches arguing for quite some time.

That's why the government needs to create laws against hate preaching, in both christian churches and islamic mosques.

 

I disagree. They have the right to voice their opinion and we have the right to tell them they are idiots and to stfu. All someone would have to do is say "OMFG! LOOK THEYZ AREZ HATE PREACHINZZZZZZ!!!" and goodbye freedom of speech. I may disagree with what they have to say, but they need to be allowed to say it.

That's why the government needs to create laws against hate preaching, in both christian churches and islamic mosques.

 

I disagree. They have the right to voice their opinion and we have the right to tell them they are idiots and to stfu. All someone would have to do is say "OMFG! LOOK THEYZ AREZ HATE PREACHINZZZZZZ!!!" and goodbye freedom of speech. I may disagree with what they have to say, but they need to be allowed to say it.

 

Im all for freedom of speech, but when you have someone telling people that blowing themselves up is what god wants them to do. They're not voicing their opinion, they're telling their followers that it is what 'allah' wants them to do.

Security slip let suspect on plane, near takeoff - Yahoo! News

 

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Holy crud. A field trip from my school was within the expected blast radius.

 

These things seem a lot more serious when people you know are actually in danger....

That's why the government needs to create laws against hate preaching, in both christian churches and islamic mosques.

 

I disagree. They have the right to voice their opinion and we have the right to tell them they are idiots and to stfu. All someone would have to do is say "OMFG! LOOK THEYZ AREZ HATE PREACHINZZZZZZ!!!" and goodbye freedom of speech. I may disagree with what they have to say, but they need to be allowed to say it.

 

Im all for freedom of speech, but when you have someone telling people that blowing themselves up is what god wants them to do. They're not voicing their opinion, they're telling their followers that it is what 'allah' wants them to do.

And its their opinion of what their God wants them to do. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all pretty much worship the same God, they just differ in their opinion of how he should be worshiped, and it is further broken down in the religions.

That's why the government needs to create laws against hate preaching, in both christian churches and islamic mosques.

 

I disagree. They have the right to voice their opinion and we have the right to tell them they are idiots and to stfu. All someone would have to do is say "OMFG! LOOK THEYZ AREZ HATE PREACHINZZZZZZ!!!" and goodbye freedom of speech. I may disagree with what they have to say, but they need to be allowed to say it.

 

Im all for freedom of speech, but when you have someone telling people that blowing themselves up is what god wants them to do. They're not voicing their opinion, they're telling their followers that it is what 'allah' wants them to do.

And its their opinion of what their God wants them to do. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all pretty much worship the same God, they just differ in their opinion of how he should be worshiped, and it is further broken down in the religions.

 

Yes, but the preacher isnt saying 'i want you to kill infidels', he's saying 'god wants you to kill infidels'

Yep I meant Taliban. However, nowadays the gov't and the Taliban are relatively the same thing. (Even if the gov't won't acknowledge it)

 

Unless you have proof that the Pakistani government is sanctioning the actions of the group of extremists I would say that's a very ignorant assumption indeed.

 

The strange device in Pittsburgh was a pipe bomb that failed to go off. They had to divert the marathon route that went downtown because of it. My college had a group running to raise money for my Adviser's ovarian cancer treatments during this marathon, so it was a small shock when they switched things up like that.

 

It would be somewhat shocking if this fellow who was responsible for the car bomb had just flown from Pittsburgh to Times Square...Seems unlikely. Like a terrorist attempting to maximize the, pardon the pun, terror. Conspiracies are more threatening than a single person acting alone.

 

 

Wha? Taliban are not a "group of extremists" while they may be a group they are very much the true gov't force in most of those countries. Not ignorant at all, I've done my research.... have you?

I don't know if we're thinking about the same Students (Taliban). Last I checked an anti-modernist, prohibitions imposing [without Koranic validity] to establish an idealistic Muslim state, titling your leader with a name only for people of high pedigree and relation to Muhammad when he is little more then uneducated, claiming right to the use of jihad bil saif with an aggressive and belligerent intent, the illegal seizure gem mines to fund themselves, guerilla attacks funding and openly announced by their leaders against their own ethnic people. It's interpretation of the Sharia is heavily extremist alone. And they do not constitute legitimate governments in the countries they periodically take over, they operate based on fear and they are leeches to the people who cannot repel them. Have you see the Taliban police towards women and the punishments for not following in accordance? I believe it was last year an Italian news writer [female] was in Pakistan in revealing clothing and smoking and she was shot in the head for her offense by the Taliban. Yes, completely normal. If they were true to their name, I wasn't aware students carry AK47s and throw women down flights of stairs for teaching children.

 

Anyway, it is a shame these ignorant people disgrace themselves and tarnish the names of their people by these [potentially] violent actions. I don't understand what would be accomplished by detonating a bomb and killing the innocent in a major city. Even in the Quran were there is a Jew who tells Muhammad As Samu Alaika [it is a pun, as As Salaam Alaika is a common greeting peace be upon you, as samu alaika is death be upon you], Muhammad's "peeps" are like should we kill him for being a jerk and Muhammad replies no, Allah is kind and when a Person of the Book [Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Zoroastrianism] greets you, you say Wa Alaikum [its a pun, which is the respectful conjugation of 'and also with you' normally used for the granting of peace]. These people contradict their own teachings, when one wishes you evil you basically scoff at it. Instead they kill innocents.

1995. Something more recent please. And yes, EVERY religion has bizarre bombers, and weird extremists (remember the old topic about the Christian woman who didn't feed her family, because she thought God would provide?) But if there could be a bar graph comparing Islam to other religions, it would excede the others by far.

 

As you said, "no pic no proof".

 

I think THAT is a far worse statement (asserting that Islam is a "worse" religion in terms of violence) than simply saying that there are some crazy Christians.

I heard he was born in America, but has a Pakistanian heritage.

FakeitOrmakeIt, I wasn't saying they WERE the gov't. I am saying they run the gov't. For example, a politician might not vote for anti Taliban policies, because they fear for their lives. The Taliban absolutely rules out of fear, and please, PLEASE provide me the verse (if possible) where Muhammad says Allah is kind. Thats a legit request I am genuinely curious. Also no offence (i'm not sure if English is your second language or not) but the whole first paragraph doesn't make a lot of sense... Not as in ideas, but phrasing so... yea.

That's why the government needs to create laws against hate preaching, in both christian churches and islamic mosques.

 

I disagree. They have the right to voice their opinion and we have the right to tell them they are idiots and to stfu. All someone would have to do is say "OMFG! LOOK THEYZ AREZ HATE PREACHINZZZZZZ!!!" and goodbye freedom of speech. I may disagree with what they have to say, but they need to be allowed to say it.

 

We have a free speech law here in norway. However, we have laws against public defamation, false advertising, alcohol and tobacco advertising etc. Does that mean anything constructive is barred from being publicly uttered? no.

 

Do you deem the bleeps (censoring, limitation of free speech) in american media as a breach of your principle of free speech?

 

I hate to sound condemning, but consider reality, rather than being blinded by grand ideals. What's the pragmatic value of NOT limiting speech rights within reasonable values that more than 99% of the population support? Why choose to mould terrorists because people should have a right to manipulation?

PLEASE provide me the verse (if possible) where Muhammad says Allah is kind.

It is in the Hadith Narrated ‘Aishah: "Allah’s Messenger said, “Allah is Kind and He loves kindness, and confers upon kindness which He does not confer upon severity, and does not confer upon any thing besides it (kindness)." [Allah's Messenger is Muhammad]

 

Aisha narrated: "The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: "Allah loves kindliness in all matters."

 

Baihaqani narrated: "Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: "Allah is kind and gentle (to others)."

 

Quran verse:

"Truly, Allah loves Al-Muhsinun (the good-doers)." (Quran: 2:195)

 

There are more instances in the Quran and Hadith but for practical reasons which you understand I won't find them all. Nor am I a Muslim so I find no interest in reading more than I have already in regard to what the prophet Muhammad has said to find them.

That's why the government needs to create laws against hate preaching, in both christian churches and islamic mosques.

 

I disagree. They have the right to voice their opinion and we have the right to tell them they are idiots and to stfu. All someone would have to do is say "OMFG! LOOK THEYZ AREZ HATE PREACHINZZZZZZ!!!" and goodbye freedom of speech. I may disagree with what they have to say, but they need to be allowed to say it.

 

We have a free speech law here in norway. However, we have laws against public defamation, false advertising, alcohol and tobacco advertising etc. Does that mean anything constructive is barred from being publicly uttered? no.

 

Do you deem the bleeps (censoring, limitation of free speech) in american media as a breach of your principle of free speech?

 

I hate to sound condemning, but consider reality, rather than being blinded by grand ideals. What's the pragmatic value of NOT limiting speech rights within reasonable values that more than 99% of the population support? Why choose to mould terrorists because people should have a right to manipulation?

We have4 similar laws here. I personally think some of them are stupid. For instance alcohol commercials are not allowed to show the drinking of alcohol. What are they hoping for, kids won't know what to do when they encounter alcohol, come on. As for the false advertising, they shouldn't be allowed to say that their cookies can cure cancer. I don't think that is free speech that is scamming. As for the defamation what do you mean? Like graffiti, or by saying bad things about people?

That's why the government needs to create laws against hate preaching, in both christian churches and islamic mosques.

 

I disagree. They have the right to voice their opinion and we have the right to tell them they are idiots and to stfu. All someone would have to do is say "OMFG! LOOK THEYZ AREZ HATE PREACHINZZZZZZ!!!" and goodbye freedom of speech. I may disagree with what they have to say, but they need to be allowed to say it.

 

We have a free speech law here in norway. However, we have laws against public defamation, false advertising, alcohol and tobacco advertising etc. Does that mean anything constructive is barred from being publicly uttered? no.

 

Do you deem the bleeps (censoring, limitation of free speech) in american media as a breach of your principle of free speech?

 

I hate to sound condemning, but consider reality, rather than being blinded by grand ideals. What's the pragmatic value of NOT limiting speech rights within reasonable values that more than 99% of the population support? Why choose to mould terrorists because people should have a right to manipulation?

We have4 similar laws here. I personally think some of them are stupid. For instance alcohol commercials are not allowed to show the drinking of alcohol. What are they hoping for, kids won't know what to do when they encounter alcohol, come on. As for the false advertising, they shouldn't be allowed to say that their cookies can cure cancer. I don't think that is free speech that is scamming. As for the defamation what do you mean? Like graffiti, or by saying bad things about people?

I believe he means like the WBC.