Bonecrusher training ideas?

[L0rdAki]

Corp: 2k prayer exp/kill :D

[xSxqPowerx]

I honestly see the bonecrusher as the worst of all of the dungeoneering rewards. I would not buy it.

 

Maybe for someone who is really low level combat and wants to just bring it along while training. You are, however, better off training on monsters that give the fastest experience, and then making money the fastest way you can to buy bones to train with,

[tortilliachp]

I honestly see the bonecrusher as the worst of all of the dungeoneering rewards. I would not buy it.

 

Maybe for someone who is really low level combat and wants to just bring it along while training. You are, however, better off training on monsters that give the fastest experience, and then making money the fastest way you can to buy bones to train with,

 

or someone starting at lvl 1 hunting. just the time saved dropping bones from hunted creatures would be worth the time imo: less hassle falconeering etc.

[xpx]

This is how the game gets ruined...just think of the people in rsc who killed monsters 7 times slower, buried all bones and got their prayer levels up to 70... The prayer xp you get from a bonecrusher does add up and if you are medium-leveled it is a great item to own, but it's certainly not an item to get fast prayer xp, rather free prayer xp. I don't think jagex wanted the bonecrusher to compete with altaring bones in terms of speed, but surely in terms of cost.

 

That was then and this is now. Sure people feel that their skills are devalued, but does that mean Jagex should never introduce any better means of training? I myself had level 50 prayer in RSC.

 

I don't think the bonecrusher even when with a 2x multiplier would be that close in competition with altaring. Altaring is 3.5x the speed and you're also doing full inventories of bones at a time. This is just as fast as you can kill them and still with a lower bonus.

 

When compared with a lot of other items like the stream necklace, coal bag, or the chaotic weapons, the bonecrusher seems a little lacklustre. You're training dungeoneering right not for the sole purpose of getting these rewards, a spot on the leaderboards, or because you find it fun, but by far the rewards are the most significant reason for most. Why not make the rewards worth the time?

Isn't the skill already easy enough as it is? i mean, lilyuffie spent 10b+(in todays money, that is) on bones and slayed tens of thousands of blue dragons to get 99, getting all the xp done from burying bones. Nowadays? people even don't know you can bury bones to get prayer xp, because the xp is really low. Bonecrusher already is a great reward if you were to bury bones and would save you a load of time. The fact that it is undervalued atm is the fact that prayer is a really easy skill now and that people wouldn't ever normally bury bones. If you are going to say that it's a bad reward, go to skeletons and try to bury all the bones you get, because that's how prayer experiance used to be gained.

[L0rdAki]

Used too, not now.

 

Fact remains it's a failboat reward as it is now.

 

You can train prayer by burying bones, but you're getting like 70gp/exp.

[tortilliachp]

Used too, not now.

 

Fact remains it's a failboat reward as it is now.

 

You can train prayer by burying bones, but you're getting like 70gp/exp.

 

where are you all getting this gp/ exp value from?

 

i know i'd only bring the bonecrusher to places i get bones, and otherwise don't bury them. That makes the exp completely free (other than the time initially invested in dungeoneering points). If you're gonna kill loads of stuff in the future, it would be worth bringing everywhere you have a net gain in prayer exp worth an inventory slot: to nechryael the bone crusher exp would have to be worth more than the last drop before you bank, for other creatures the values would be different, but it would be very usable for many arenas. the net gain in time for prayer exp would reimburse the slight time in dungeoneering quite quickly: you'd only need to get about 4 hours worth of prayer exp with it at any point in time. with D bones being so expensive, that isn't much exp.

[Sinkhan]

I honestly see the bonecrusher as the worst of all of the dungeoneering rewards. I would not buy it.

 

Pretty sure the chaotic crossbow has that title :rolleyes:

 

 

That was then and this is now. Sure people feel that their skills are devalued, but does that mean Jagex should never introduce any better means of training? I myself had level 50 prayer in RSC.

 

I don't think the bonecrusher even when with a 2x multiplier would be that close in competition with altaring. Altaring is 3.5x the speed and you're also doing full inventories of bones at a time. This is just as fast as you can kill them and still with a lower bonus.

 

When compared with a lot of other items like the stream necklace, coal bag, or the chaotic weapons, the bonecrusher seems a little lacklustre. You're training dungeoneering right not for the sole purpose of getting these rewards, a spot on the leaderboards, or because you find it fun, but by far the rewards are the most significant reason for most. Why not make the rewards worth the time?

Isn't the skill already easy enough as it is? i mean, lilyuffie spent 10b+(in todays money, that is) on bones and slayed tens of thousands of blue dragons to get 99, getting all the xp done from burying bones. Nowadays? people even don't know you can bury bones to get prayer xp, because the xp is really low. Bonecrusher already is a great reward if you were to bury bones and would save you a load of time. The fact that it is undervalued atm is the fact that prayer is a really easy skill now and that people wouldn't ever normally bury bones.

 

I find your claim that people don't even know that you can bury bones normally to get prayer xp and quite exaggerated.

 

It's easier to train the skill itself, but it's still not a cooking, fletching, or FM which all cost very little by comparison/profit and have pretty ridiculous XP rates.

 

Just doing some light research, a double-lit guilded altar with a war tort using dragon bones is about 230k prayer xp/h, but costs over 5 mil/h in bones plus a bit more for pouches + home tellies if you use them. By comparison, all of 99 cooking can be done with around 5 million.

 

So really that 230k/h is a little deceptive. Unless you're great at flipping/merchanting, or somehow magically already had a huge amount of wealth, you're going to have to actually make the money for the bones.

 

As an example, say l337skillah3000 (sorry if this is anyone's real RSN) can make 1 million/h, which is definitely towards the higher end of the money making spectrum. It's not killing TDs or GWD money, but it's substantial nonetheless.

 

Since those bones cost 5 million, he needs to spend 5 hours working hard to actually make that money using whatever methods he has. Offering on the altar itself takes time, so really the xp rates can be looked at as 230k prayer xp per 6 hours. Dividing it out, we get a much lower 38k/h in terms of overall time investing in seeking out to just train prayer.

 

If you are going to say that it's a bad reward, go to skeletons and try to bury all the bones you get, because that's how prayer experiance used to be gained.

 

Clearly you didn't read my post. I had 50 prayer back in RSC. I know how painstaking it is. The truth is that the game has evolved and newer methods of training prayer are out. The way that you argue that prayer has become an easy skill now yet the bonecrusher is a good reward since it was once so hard to train is a little contradictory.

 

I'm not saying it's a totally useless reward, but I'm definitely not putting it near my priorities of items to get. The coal bag I have and the scroll of life is next. Both I find are much more useful.

[L0rdAki]

20gp/exp for d bones on an alter, multiply roughly by 3.5.

[xpx]

20gp/exp for d bones on an alter, multiply roughly by 3.5.

Could you tell me about your methods of free, no time wasted banking? yeah, thought so.

 

Also, if you guys account prayer to be 38k an hour skill(with which i disagree because i can make much more than a mil an hour), then the bonecrusher at green dragons at about 26k prayer xp an hour IN ADDITION to good melee xp and some drops is a GREAT award.

[L0rdAki]

No time wasted banking...

 

Oh, wait, i can get in excess of 300k extra exp per hour if I bank.

 

Sorry, I don't call that a waste of time.

[xpx]

No time wasted banking...

 

Oh, wait, i can get in excess of 300k extra exp per hour if I bank.

 

Sorry, I don't call that a waste of time.

You should meet a new friend called a calculator, really helpful if you want to make a point and not look stupid while doing so.

 

Assuming banking bones takes 40% of the time of getting a full inv(this includes having to pick the bones up too, and being weaker in combat, maybe altaring bones) you'd get 2x the prayer xp but almost half the combat xp, so if you are going by having 3 methods(buying bones, slaying for bones and bonecrushing) then each of the methods has it's edge, and i wouldn't call anyone stupid using any of them.

[L0rdAki]

You're not banking your own bones from greens...

 

You're making money with the best method you can, then altering bones you brought from the GE.

[xpx]

You're not banking your own bones from greens...

 

You're making money with the best method you can, then altering bones you brought from the GE.

It's a 21 dungeoneering reward that needs 34k tokens to buy. I'd never kill a green dragon to either get the bones or to get the xp, but I and or You don't make up 100% of the people playing runescape. It's not the greatest item in game but certainly good in it's own right.

[L0rdAki]

If we're talking people who DIY or stuff, or people that just arn't majorly concerned about efficiancy, then yeah, it's an awesome reward.

 

Outside of that, we'll agree to disagree.

 

Sinkhan, the chaotic crossbow has +10 more range attack then a rune crossbow. THAT +10 COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE AT ARMADYL.

[langer]

I saved about 150K so far using it slaying and hunting. That amount is bound to get bigger in time. Like someone else said, you are bound to get about 500K xp prayer casually playing over the course of your "career", that's about 10M in cash, not a game breaking item, but certainly somewhat valuable.

[Sinkhan]

Also, if you guys account prayer to be 38k an hour skill(with which i disagree because i can make much more than a mil an hour), then the bonecrusher at green dragons at about 26k prayer xp an hour IN ADDITION to good melee xp and some drops is a GREAT award.

 

You might be able to make much more than 1 mil an hour, maybe even double that or more if you combined multiple methods like TDing with snap farm runs. But you have maxed stats, which means you can use extremes, turmoil, and steel titans on top of already having maxed out melee stats. Not everyone has access to those methods.

 

Your claimed 26k prayer xp an hour seems also seems a little ridiculous even with maxed everything as that would mean you'd be killing around 360 dragons an hour, meaning you're killing 1 every 10 seconds. Unless you've got some crazy hidden spot with quick spawns and no competition, this seems like a bit of an exaggeration or perhaps a miscalculation using 252xp per bone when bone crushing. I don't doubt your ability to 2-3 hit a dragon with those stats; I doubt you'd be able to find a place where you could do that non-stop while picking up valuable drops.

 

EDIT: I also forgot to mention that while you're killing those green dragons normally, it really doesn't take that much extra time to pick up a bone and bury it. Like eating and potting up, you can squeeze in actions between attack cycles to save time.

 

Sinkhan, the chaotic crossbow has +10 more range attack then a rune crossbow. THAT +10 COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE AT ARMADYL.

 

Well I can't really say too much on this since I haven't done GWD myself, but I'm willing to go out an say that +10 might not be enough to justify itself for 200k/h. In the grand scheme of things, a 5-10% ranged attack (not overall ranged accuracy, like a prayer mind you) improvement might not make that much of a difference. That's just a wild conjecture on my part though.

[L0rdAki]

It's sad how sarcasm doesn't travel down the Internet :(

[Sinkhan]

It's sad how sarcasm doesn't travel down the Internet :(

 

Oh lol...nvm :rolleyes:

[L0rdAki]

I'd actually agree with you, except it could actually have a practical use for "rigging" fair duo/trio arma ffa's.

 

That in mind, it's probably as useful as the bonecrusher.

[xpx]

Green dragons have 750 hp and if i were to use every offencive bonus possible(including super antifires) my max with chaotic rapier(and remember dragons are weak to stab) is around 600 so an average 2,5 hit is easily possible. Also add in sup att restores with claws and there you go...Not my problem if you can't afford every one of these bonuses :)

[Sinkhan]

Green dragons have 750 hp and if i were to use every offencive bonus possible(including super antifires) my max with chaotic rapier(and remember dragons are weak to stab) is around 600 so an average 2,5 hit is easily possible. Also add in sup att restores with claws and there you go...Not my problem if you can't afford every one of these bonuses :)

 

And where are you going to find a place where you have all the spawns to yourself? Again you haven't read my post.

 

I don't doubt your ability to 2-3 hit a dragon with those stats; I doubt you'd be able to find a place where you could do that non-stop while picking up valuable drops.

 

Dragon bones are worth a hefty 5.8k on top of green d-hide 1.7k dragon hide. The green dragons in all of RS are hunted to death by people as low as 50-60 cb almost 24/7 for their high profit and relative ease to kill.

[Cptbaker08]

 

Green dragons have 750 hp and if i were to use every offencive bonus possible(including super antifires) my max with chaotic rapier(and remember dragons are weak to stab) is around 600 so an average 2,5 hit is easily possible. Also add in sup att restores with claws and there you go...Not my problem if you can't afford every one of these bonuses :)

 

And where are you going to find a place where you have all the spawns to yourself? Again you haven't read my post.

 

I don't doubt your ability to 2-3 hit a dragon with those stats; I doubt you'd be able to find a place where you could do that non-stop while picking up valuable drops.

 

Dragon bones are worth a hefty 5.8k on top of green d-hide 1.7k dragon hide. The green dragons in all of RS are hunted to death by people as low as 50-60 cb almost 24/7 for their high profit and relative ease to kill.

 

Something I'd just like to point out. If you kill then in the CT you actually kill them quite fast. As well as being able to use a Combat familiar/BoB, you have the other lower combat people down there either killing or botting. If you go and are stuck with 2/3 other players/botters and are higher leveeld you can easily get most of the kills and they die quite fast. Add in Dragon Claw specs and spec restores if you have them and kills come in rather quickly.

[Sinkhan]

 

Green dragons have 750 hp and if i were to use every offencive bonus possible(including super antifires) my max with chaotic rapier(and remember dragons are weak to stab) is around 600 so an average 2,5 hit is easily possible. Also add in sup att restores with claws and there you go...Not my problem if you can't afford every one of these bonuses :)

 

And where are you going to find a place where you have all the spawns to yourself? Again you haven't read my post.

 

I don't doubt your ability to 2-3 hit a dragon with those stats; I doubt you'd be able to find a place where you could do that non-stop while picking up valuable drops.

 

Dragon bones are worth a hefty 5.8k on top of green d-hide 1.7k dragon hide. The green dragons in all of RS are hunted to death by people as low as 50-60 cb almost 24/7 for their high profit and relative ease to kill.

 

Something I'd just like to point out. If you kill then in the CT you actually kill them quite fast. As well as being able to use a Combat familiar/BoB, you have the other lower combat people down there either killing or botting. If you go and are stuck with 2/3 other players/botters and are higher leveeld you can easily get most of the kills and they die quite fast. Add in Dragon Claw specs and spec restores if you have them and kills come in rather quickly.

 

I actually just went to the CTs to time some spawns and noticed this phenomenon. I guess in this case the 26k prayer xp an hour would be attainable, but it's still a tiny bit of a stretch. Assuming you play on the fullest world possible (I did a test on a world with ~1950 people), spawns in the CTs are still around 20 seconds. I think you'd be able to effectively muscle in on two spawns, which means it'll be difficult to kill more than 1 dragon every 10 seconds consistently.

 

Of course, most of the things that have been said to the effect of killing dragons is mostly theoretical and estimates. The real test would be for someone like xpx with maxed combat capability to actually go out and try this out, with and without the bonecrusher and seeing how much of a difference there is in prayer xp/hour.

[SirIzenhime]

just a note that, while it does require a lot of clicking, you can pick up and bury bones without loosing any time from combat.

 

You simply pick up the bones between attack turns, and do the same with burying. The only place I can see the bonecrusher saving time/money is during hunter. Other then that, it's just something for people who don't want to click a lot.

 

Before I got 95 Prayer, I picked up and buried every bone (except dragon), and I could do it between attack turns well enough to get the same "money saving" that people are getting with the bone crusher.

I also do this with grimy herbs, I pick them up, clean then, and drop them all while I'm still fighting.

 

The bonecrusher saves no time or money unless you're hunting.

[wordsofthelord]

just a note that, while it does require a lot of clicking, you can pick up and bury bones without loosing any time from combat.

 

You simply pick up the bones between attack turns, and do the same with burying. The only place I can see the bonecrusher saving time/money is during hunter. Other then that, it's just something for people who don't want to click a lot.

 

Before I got 95 Prayer, I picked up and buried every bone (except dragon), and I could do it between attack turns well enough to get the same "money saving" that people are getting with the bone crusher.

I also do this with grimy herbs, I pick them up, clean then, and drop them all while I'm still fighting.

 

The bonecrusher saves no time or money unless you're hunting.

 

I think that the fire giants in the CT's are also a great spot for the bonecrusher because they gang up on you and give you no time to waste picking up their bones. we can all agree that the bonecrusher was not meant to replace current methods of prayer training, it gives some more benefit to killing non dragon monsters. I for one never pick up regular or even big bones, its not worth the time to me.