Frost Dragon guide, 160+ kills / hr

[Wyodaniel]

I've been nolifing Frost Dragons on and off since they came out (85 Dungeoneering is a requirement), and I've finally gotten around to demonstrating the fastest, most efficient way to camp them.

 

Enjoy.

 

[Miller7204]

Nice vid. I hope I can try it out someday. :thumbup:

[xpx]

Errm...there people slapping around THE BEST or GREATEST should get a huge slap in the face. 160+ kills an hour? i can get 210+ kills an hour. Your longsword fails, use zammy spear/chaotic rapier(both much better for ss flicking aswell). You are slow(i guess everyone noticed that). Your cannon positioning is horrible(efficiently blocks half the range). Where are your summoning potions? oh...you are so slow you don't even need any...

[Den]

Nice guide, covers all the needed stuff.

 

As xpx said though, if your going to call it THE BEST, you have to make sure it is. ;)

[Wyodaniel]

Errm...there people slapping around THE BEST or GREATEST should get a huge slap in the face. 160+ kills an hour? i can get 210+ kills an hour. Your longsword fails, use zammy spear/chaotic rapier(both much better for ss flicking aswell). You are slow(i guess everyone noticed that). Your cannon positioning is horrible(efficiently blocks half the range). Where are your summoning potions? oh...you are so slow you don't even need any...

You're seriously telling me that 94 stab + 104 str and 85 stab + 75 str are both better than 107 stab + 120 str with one less speed bar? I'll let you do the dps math yourself. Also, incidentally, my cannon positioning is designed so as not to hit frost dragons in the western section, since there's usually another camper there. Anyways, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, so unless you have an in-depth guide on getting 210+ kills / hr, please find another thread to troll.

[Grimy_Bunyip]

Errm...there people slapping around THE BEST or GREATEST should get a huge slap in the face. 160+ kills an hour? i can get 210+ kills an hour. Your longsword fails, use zammy spear/chaotic rapier(both much better for ss flicking aswell). You are slow(i guess everyone noticed that). Your cannon positioning is horrible(efficiently blocks half the range). Where are your summoning potions? oh...you are so slow you don't even need any...

You're seriously telling me that 94 stab + 104 str and 85 stab + 75 str are both better than 107 stab + 120 str with one less speed bar? I'll let you do the dps math yourself. Also, incidentally, my cannon positioning is designed so as not to hit frost dragons in the western section, since there's usually another camper there. Anyways, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, so unless you have an in-depth guide on getting 210+ kills / hr, please find another thread to troll.

xpx likes to be loud and troll, but he's still usually right about these things

 

-yes the rapier is definitely better than the longsword. Maybe not the spear, but rapier vs longsword is no contest.

-no comment on cannon positioning

 

160 kills per hour really isn't great if you're meleeing. I've achieved that with a cannon + karils crossbow + extreme ranging potion + 15% range prayer

his recommendation for summoning potions was important, since it will let your pack yak cast witner storage more often.

 

if you don't want to get flamed by people like xpx, you really shouldn't label your guide "the fastest, most efficient way to camp them." when it's highly contestable whether or not that is true.

[Wyodaniel]

his recommendation for summoning potions was important, since it will let your pack yak cast witner storage more often.

 

And make you bring less prayer pots, so your trip doesn't last as long, and you spend more time banking. Using the yak to carry the bones it can't bank works fine. ^^

[xpx]

Errm...there people slapping around THE BEST or GREATEST should get a huge slap in the face. 160+ kills an hour? i can get 210+ kills an hour. Your longsword fails, use zammy spear/chaotic rapier(both much better for ss flicking aswell). You are slow(i guess everyone noticed that). Your cannon positioning is horrible(efficiently blocks half the range). Where are your summoning potions? oh...you are so slow you don't even need any...

You're seriously telling me that 94 stab + 104 str and 85 stab + 75 str are both better than 107 stab + 120 str with one less speed bar? I'll let you do the dps math yourself. Also, incidentally, my cannon positioning is designed so as not to hit frost dragons in the western section, since there's usually another camper there. Anyways, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, so unless you have an in-depth guide on getting 210+ kills / hr, please find another thread to troll.

I was not aware you are using weapons without any other armor or or added bonuses, but if you are, rapier is still better and spear would be a bit worse. If you have a brain and are using armor and boosting equipment, zamorakian spear will be as good for 90k an hour less then the CLS, and there are a load of DPS calculations out there to prove this. As for trolling, everything i said was constructive criticism and proved how inefficient your methods are, though you think them to be THE BEST. Sure, it's a nice guide, and there would be nothing wrong with it for average people, but saying or even thinking 160 dragons an hour is the BEST ever is just as much trolling as i was. It's actually quite funny how you completely dismiss all my tips and still think you are on top of the hill, but if it suits you, i have nothing against inefficient dragon campers.

[Mio]

Haters gonna hate.

 

Nice guide, Hope to use it someday...

[Undo]

Very nice guide! :thumbsup:

[Golvellius]

Errm...there people slapping around THE BEST or GREATEST should get a huge slap in the face. 160+ kills an hour? i can get 210+ kills an hour. Your longsword fails, use zammy spear/chaotic rapier(both much better for ss flicking aswell). You are slow(i guess everyone noticed that). Your cannon positioning is horrible(efficiently blocks half the range). Where are your summoning potions? oh...you are so slow you don't even need any...

You're seriously telling me that 94 stab + 104 str and 85 stab + 75 str are both better than 107 stab + 120 str with one less speed bar? I'll let you do the dps math yourself. Also, incidentally, my cannon positioning is designed so as not to hit frost dragons in the western section, since there's usually another camper there. Anyways, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, so unless you have an in-depth guide on getting 210+ kills / hr, please find another thread to troll.

xpx likes to be loud and troll, but he's still usually right about these things

 

-yes the rapier is definitely better than the longsword. Maybe not the spear, but rapier vs longsword is no contest.

-no comment on cannon positioning

 

160 kills per hour really isn't great if you're meleeing. I've achieved that with a cannon + karils crossbow + extreme ranging potion + 15% range prayer

his recommendation for summoning potions was important, since it will let your pack yak cast witner storage more often.

 

if you don't want to get flamed by people like xpx, you really shouldn't label your guide "the fastest, most efficient way to camp them." when it's highly contestable whether or not that is true.

 

LOL...

Whats the dps of cannon genius? (hint if your not in combat then the cannon goes multi and will lay up to 6 strikes per rotation on a single dragon thats moving overtop the thing)

Best way to kill frost dragons and actually get 200 kills an hour not just fiction from XpXtroll is let the cannon do the work.

Hide behind the rocks in the sw and let the cannon roll.

Only come out when there is only one dragon left, or a dragon goes around the rocks from the south attacks, or the cannon runs out of ammo.

Doesn't matter if you have rapier, spear, or cls.

Your dps sucks compared to the cannon when its working in multi mode (aka your not in combat or it really is a multiway zone).

Learn to compliment the cannon, not the cannon compliments you.

[ghjkl]

Ok take a screenshot of a place where the cannon works and no dragon can reach you. And you forget that every time you go out to reload a dragon will get on you and your cannon will work only in single combat mode for a while. I find it strange that you are bashing someon else's methods while you provide no evidence that yours' is better.

[Wyodaniel]

Learn to compliment the cannon, not the cannon compliments you.

 

You obviously didn't watch the whole video or just weren't listening when I said that the cannon does most of the work, you're just helping with cls. In almost those exact words. Also, look at Squareroot's post. ^

[Low C]

It's not the fastest so why claim it to be. That is what xpx is getting at. And I believe his experience as he has been camping them since they were released.

[Shauly]

Nice guide, really. But this is for average trips. Most of my friends have gotten in excess of 180-200 kills per trip by ranging and meleeing. Or just ranging. As for Xpx post, I have to agree. Xpx was 100% correct.

 

Eitherway, nice guide.

[mister_moocky]

I get between 150-160 kills an hour with rune cbow and runite bolts, and my lures aren't great yet. CRapier is the best melee weapon is most situations (including frost dragons), and in the few situations that CLS does beat CR, Cmaul beats CLS. Why anyone would use CLS I don't know.

[Quyneax]

Errm...there people slapping around THE BEST or GREATEST should get a huge slap in the face. 160+ kills an hour? i can get 210+ kills an hour. Your longsword fails, use zammy spear/chaotic rapier(both much better for ss flicking aswell). You are slow(i guess everyone noticed that). Your cannon positioning is horrible(efficiently blocks half the range). Where are your summoning potions? oh...you are so slow you don't even need any...

You're seriously telling me that 94 stab + 104 str and 85 stab + 75 str are both better than 107 stab + 120 str with one less speed bar? I'll let you do the dps math yourself. Also, incidentally, my cannon positioning is designed so as not to hit frost dragons in the western section, since there's usually another camper there. Anyways, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, so unless you have an in-depth guide on getting 210+ kills / hr, please find another thread to troll.

It's very amusing to see xpx' signature now. A link to the best guide out there.

 

As for the dps, one lower speed, or 5 ticks per hit vs. 4 ticks per hit, actually means your cls would need to hit 25% higher for it to equal zs (average per hit). Frosts have fairly low defence, and with a decent setup (d boots, fury, barrows gloves, berserker, neitiznot, no bandos or berserker (i), extremes and turmoil) you're talking about 106 vs. 151 strength bonus (+31 gear bonus). The max hit calc tells us that that works out to 469 vs. 613 max hit. 25% of 469 is 117, so 586 would be 25% higher. That means that, accuracy aside, cls is only marginally better, but costs a lot more to maintain. Also, soul split flashing is less convienient with cls, and final hit damage loss is larger.

 

Rapier is no contest, 560 max hit, requiring cls to hit 700ish. With bandos/berserker (i), cls max = 641, rapier max = 588, zspear max = 502. Multiply those max hit by the number of hits per cls hit, and you get 641, 735 and 627. Is that 2% added damage (over spear, rapier is still no contest) worth ~3 kills + more damage taken? 2% more dps translates to ~2 kills/hr, as the cannon is half the kills. Of course I didn't calculate accuracy, which probably does play some role, but even so, zspear = cls, pretty much. Rapier is far better.

 

You're not using overloads, either.

 

(calculations above with cls on agressive slash, rapier on agressive stab, zspear on controlled stab)

[MrZomoor]

Nice guide but frosts defence r weak so use rapier