Space

[Jehosaphat]

(probably Theros too, but I've only ever seen him take command once).

I do have the good of the ship in mind, but I don't like take command much because there's usually a higher officer online whenever I am.

[Corvus]

Nero is interchangeably dictatorial and ridiculous, and Drake is overly secretive and untrustworthy. Though at least Nero and you always have the good of the ship in mind (probably Theros too, but I've only ever seen him take command once).

Not exactly sure what you think I am being secretive of... but just to cover all the bases that I can reasonably:

I have announced all the tech that I have developed except for 2 items, one of which is Jormungand (m) which in general use is more or less worthless (you do have access to the stuff if you do find the record of the research), and the other is the Jormungand (F) weapon system that is too dangerous for use by humans or non-specialized robotics (the one actual important use of Jormungand (M)) and is probably impractical for use as vessel weapon.

All of my tech can be used by the rest of the crew except for the Computer Virus - Jormungand (V) and the Jormungand (F) weapon system both due to the massive danger their misuse poses to the crew.

Currently my business relations with the Swiss consist of performing Mining research to aid them in their war effort, in exchange for services related to Jormungand (MP-C) and Jormungand (A) at a later date.

In terms of my possesions, no one may use them except myself as everything I own was funded from my personal accounts, including my Holodroids and various items relating to Jormungand (A), and in the near future Jormungand (MP-NC). Anyone wanting to use holodroids without my permission may fabricate their own.

 

Primarily Project Jormungand is the only subject that I will not fully disclose to the general crew but to be honest and make things clear:

Jormungand (A) - Classified, arranging for services pertaining to sub-project with the Swiss

-Jormungand (V) - Computer Virus intended for use by (A) - access restricted [security/safety]

Jormungand (MP-C) - Classified, arranging for fabrication services with the Swiss

-Jormungand (E) - Anti-Plasma fire supression system initially designed for use in MP-C - similar system currently installed aboard the ISS Unity

-Jormungand (F) - specialised weapon system for use in MP-C - Design Access restricted [safety]

-Jormungand (M) - special material designed for use in MP-C

Jormungand (MP-NC) - Classified, Design requires finishing touches before initial fabrication run

 

Co-Captain Jeremiah has been briefed on Jormungand (A) and Jormungand (MP-C), and possibly Jormungand (MP-NC) (If I forgot to tell you about MP-NC feel free to ask)

 

Edit, if there is anything not related to Project Jormungand atleast try asking before calling me secretive.

Edited December 9, 2010 by wyvren2000

[The_Mather1]

I'm just thinking loud here, but how about making a nuclear projectile? Basically just the warhead of a rod-type fission-nuclear weapon turned into a bullet whereas the rod is fixed halfway inside the core with impact pushing it all the way in to achieve critical mass.

[archimage_a]

And AI majorly [bleep]ed up SUE, I take characters too seriously to deal with something like that, which he seemed not to realize until he was about to kill her. Every problem with SUE was because of SUE or AI being inconsistent/blatantly farcical with my actions.

 

Nah, I know how much you get involved with characters.

SUE progressively got more hostile and paranoid because of actions you took, like copying her a tonne of times...which corrupted the hell out of her...and because when she was learning the basics (The first 2-3 sessions) you actions were fighting just about everyone for your right to live, violence and that general bag...And then because she was was constantly threatened with deletion.

 

She had a hard life, with her only friend being you, constantly afraid you would give her up, not helped with you creating the tonnes of backups which could be used to reset her(Paranoia talking).

...I actually ended up waking up with a face full of tears a few weeks ago while I was dreaming about Space while I was playing SUE.

(Yeah, the big secret to my success is dreaming...Hit and miss but it works)

 

So it was not merely 'SUE is going to be evil because Faust wants a friend'...If I was gonna do something like that then I would have waited until now, had SUE on the shuttle and then had her upload onto the ship and forced a destroy or die situation.

 

 

 

 

 

Other inconsistances arise from four things:

1. I am not perfect, remembering 2.85 Megabytes of text, plus queries, is not easy, and I can't type everything that is going on, so some mistakes, occassionly, is reasonable.

2. People gate themselves, like on the Zombie Ship where most people gated themselves off the shuttle and to the door...And from the parts store to the 'Core Systems' or 'Radiation Generator'...Or when they are in one area of the ship and then do something else, for example, barging someone off the comms system...Either I gate them to the bridge or I disrupt the narrative by saying they aren't on the bridge.

Or someone designs a graphical interface with all the benefits of text based gameplay...

3. The game is subjective, me telling you that SUE is feeling paranoid or upset...How can I justify that in game? Text isn't a great system for this...but yeah.

4. People doing things...like spying, holobotting and the like...

 

I'm just thinking loud here, but how about making a nuclear projectile? Basically just the warhead of a rod-type fission-nuclear weapon turned into a bullet whereas the rod is fixed halfway inside the core with impact pushing it all the way in to achieve critical mass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

[The_Mather1]

I know that depleted uranium is used in armour-piercing rounds, I'm talking about bullets that work like nukes.

 

Also I was not looking for a radiation generator, I was looking for the power core which I suspected was nuclear and broken.

[Earth]

That is jsut stupid. If we wanted to nuke something then we just use the megatonne nukes instead of itsy bitsy bullets that only give people a minor case of radiation sickness and the nerfed damages of a bullet.

[The_Mather1]

Earth, in a normal gun-type nuke it is only the initiated process of fission that causes the explotion, the only explosives used are to push the rod into the ring. I estimate a warhead the size of a 9mm pistol bullet would cause an explosion about ten times the force of a grenade's ingnition cap, and a .50 rifle round would equal a high-explosive grenade.

 

I planned it of course for use against large groups of enemies at medium-long to long range.

 

And of course we must remember that we can also make them for .900 rifles.

 

EDIT: No, major misestimate, the plutonium ring used in the core of common nuclear devices is only 11 cm in diameter, about twice or 1.5 times as wide as a .900 bullet. :ohnoes:

 

EDIT2: A gun-type nuke fires the ring at the rod, not the other way around, and Little Boy, the bomb dropped in Hiroshima had 16 cm diameter rings of uranium... I think we better not make bullets larger than 9mm. No, wait, still too big, that would detonate at 1/17 the force of little boy...

 

Ship-to-ship weapon?

[Earth]

Exactly, and still, Bullets are nerfed. Nuclear warhead bullets even more so.

[The_Mather1]

Earth, you don't get it, even if nerfed they'll still be better than our current weapons.

[Earth]

No, we have god damned lasers that punch through ships. you're suggesting using bullets, in an obsolete gun, filled with radiated materiel, which will harm us just as much... As a weapon. That, is stupid.

[The_Mather1]

Earth, are you reading only every other word or are you just plain stupid? Also our lasers have proven too weak for us to take on more than one or two russian ships.

 

First of all, fissle materials aren't dangerously radiooactive when innert, they exhibit weak alpha radiative properties, but that can be avoided by wearing... anything as long as it covers the skin.

 

Second the nuclear reaction would have been too strong to be deployed as bullets in anything short of a suicide mission, even from a sniper rifle at maximum range.

 

And third using a fusion booseted two point implosion pit plutonium nuke the size of a normal artillery shell we could theoretically incinerate an entire ship.

[archimage_a]

I know that depleted uranium is used in armour-piercing rounds, I'm talking about bullets that work like nukes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_mass#Critical_mass_of_a_bare_sphere

Smallest nuclear bullet would be a sphere 8.5 centimeters wide and weigh 5 kilograms, plus triggering charge, plus propellant.

In short:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)

 

Both recoilless guns proved to have poor accuracy in testing, so the shell's greatest effect would have been its extreme radiation hazard. Even at a low yield setting, the M-388 would produce an almost instantly lethal radiation dosage (in excess of 10,000 rem) within 500 feet (150 m), and a probably fatal dose (around 600 rem) within a quarter mile (400 m).

 

The functionality of a bullet that could undergo nuclear fission is, thus, questionable.

Expensive too, at 2 kT per bullet.

 

 

But if you want to use it you can.

[Earth]

And yet, theres also the problem of actually getting said uranium. You also talked about it going into bullets, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. And they wouldn't work.. Just sticking a bunch of uranium in a metal case doesn't make a nuke.

EDIT: 2kT per bullet? Thats a bit too expensive.

[Retech]

-Points out that ion cannons are still a viable option-

[The_Mather1]

-points out that math proved nuclear bullets too strong for use in even long-range weapons-

 

Archi, how much would it cost for a nuclear artillery shell?

[Seraphi]

I'd rather we didn't take a step backwards and start using physical munitions again, really.

 

We have things like time ion cannons and null space projectors now, so it just seems a little wasteful, as these things likely have much more potential than physical munitions.

[Earth]

Especially if i can finalize my Gravity Cannnon to use gravity.. Oh! I know! How about make it suck in targets, then it has a propulsion system to launch things at new targets?

[archimage_a]

Archi, how much would it cost for a nuclear artillery shell?

 

Probably 3 kT

[archimage_a]

/join #space20 tavern

 

Log:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12603519/Space/Logs/%23space20.Tip.It.log

 

 

Gonna start dinner and have a shower, feel free to chat and such.

[Earth]

Name:

Earth

Merit:

700

Inventory:

Code Cracker

Pin with a button

Stealth device

Pack o nades

Grav hammer

Grav sword

Japanese ID

Skills:

lvl 3 Ship Building

Lvl3 Mele

lvl 1 Repairs

lvl 1 drone construction

Recent researches:

lvl 3 grav weapons

lvl 1 Think Bow (Voice acitvated bow.)

[Grim_]

Erm don't lasers lose power and dissipate over a distance of some light-minutes?

[Jehosaphat]

Name: Theros

 

Merit: 1275

Credits: None (all were donated to ship fund)

 

Inventory:

A Spiderbot following him around

DF Suit Visor (used for robot control, as well as vision change)

Expanding Shield

Ion Cannon (wielded chaingun style)

Two railguns as sidearms

Raptorleg-thing designed by Ross

 

Skills:

Level I Shooting

Level I Robotics Engineering

 

Capabilities:

Make Level V powered "DF" armorsuit with level III powersource

Make Level III plasma grenades

Make Level IV Small Railguns

Make Level XL Ion Cannons

Make focused plasma charges (Level I)

Spec Ammo (Level II)

UTR (Level II)

Level III Pulse Weaponry

 

Achievements:

Designer of the "Flyin' Nades" robots.

Designer of the "Scout" robots.

Designer of the "Themes" robots.

Designer of the Expanding Shield

Designer of the "Robospider" robots.

Designer of the "Troll" robot tanks.

[Earth]

I Must have missed a lot of fun. Is this still going on?

[archimage_a]

Ok...Everyone, save Drake, Chi, X and anyone not online gets 400 Merits.

Drake and Chi get 350 Merits

X gets 100 Merits

 

Anyone not online gets 0 merits. :thumbup:

[The_Mather1]

Awesome, my second batch of merits.