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It would be a considerably better system if you did...and if you can instruct me how to create such a system I would be most obliged...since I have racked my brain for a considerable period of time to answer that.

As for the map being completed...It usually is, crew quarters was an error on my computers part, where I saved over the original <_<

[The_Mather1]

The breakout was in the time period 25/08.2061 - 25/04.2061

 

Also, there are pods with people where we encountered Jen.

 

At least one of them is infected but unaltered.

 

<AI> Chi, activity drops from over 150 log entries per day to 2 or less per day after the 12th of April, 2060

<AI> Chi, activity returns to 130 entries per day for 3 months, on 19th May 2060

<AI> Chi, activity then began to steadily decline until it averaged at 6 for 2 months, then 5 for a week, 4 three weeks after that, decreasing to 1 five days later. It remained at 1 until the 28th of December 2061

<Chi> AI, were there any logs signed by Jen Sonla after the log frequency decreased?

<AI> Chi, one per day

 

Lol at the major inconcistency, but that's not the point.

I'm guessing the point of increase of entries was 19th of may 2062.

 

This implies that Jen was alone and awake between August and December, 5 months of isolation must have taken its toll. I sugguest we treat her nicely and at least give her a chance to mentally recover before the eventual case that we send her to Earth.

 

<AI> Log(Day before End) The computer is bleeting on about the Life Support systems...The machine can support 10 people after 100 years of operation! The only reason to change the filter ever 4 months is to avoid malpractice claims...I am sure of it..."

[Seraphi]

Sorry I wasn't present, by the way. I've been on and off my PC at 5 minute intervals all day, and it has been quite annoying overall.

 

I was a fairly important part of the mission at that point, so I'm sorry if you were forced to change things on my account Archi.

[Corvus]

As usual, I am unable to attend on Monday, but this time I was wondering if besides the bit of help Drake will be giving Jeremiah, I could spend it training the skill we discussed right before you left, and I will spend up to 2500 merits on the skill. (if you forgot it feel free to ask me by private message)?

 

Name: Drake

Merit: 4000

Energy Credits: 40000

Inventory: 48 lv2 Holodroids, 3 Jormungand (MP-NC), 11 kT resources

Skills: None

Technobabble Tokens: 7

 

Developed:

lv 10 Computer Virus

Oxygen Recycler

Lv 2 Hologram projector

Jormungand Alloy

Plasma-Fire extinguisher

Jormungand (F) - restricted Access

 

Built:

Lv 2 Holodroid/bot

Jormungand (MP-NC)

 

Death count: 1

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Lol at the major inconcistency, but that's not the point.

I'm guessing the point of increase of entries was 19th of may 2062.

 

Lol at the major idiocy, avoiding clues as to what actually happened.

 

Since the mission is over:

 

30th March 2059, Jen completes CP1 (Collection 1), containing the Oxygen, Carbon Dioxide and Carbon Monoxide Cells.

29th January 2060, Agent Volta vents the hydrogen reserves with news that Jen is reaching completion of the project.

8th Febuary 2060, The Soya Craft enters Jupiters' Atomsphere

11th Febuary 2060, Volta overloads the Ionisation Array, rendering the Soya Craft powerless to resist the atomspheric currents. Fortunately, using the shields the Soya Craft is able to wedge itself into the Atomsphere, not going any lower, not going any higher. Distress calls are sent.(They are never picked up)

12th Febuary 2060, Volta is captured, tortured and eventually flushed out an airlock. Jen continues working of the Super Enzyme.

28th March 2060, Jen completes SE,Gen1(Super Enzyme, Generation 1) and injects into plants for testing.

29th March 2060, Plants are exposed to Plant Diseases and are shown to be entirely resilliant.

1st of April 2060, Plants are ground up, ignited, vapourised and other such to determine how resilliant they are.

3rd of April 2060, A Dog is injected with SE,Gen1, it quickly dies.

4th of April 2060, Jen combines SE,Gen1 and CP1 into CP2.

7th of April 2060, Another Dog is injected with CP2. The dog seems fine.

10th of April 2060, Human test subject(The guy Earth woke up) in Stasis is injected with CP2, they seem fine.

11th of April 2060, An accident? in the cargobay involving G38(Anthrax Variant) is released into the ship. Since G38 has no known cure, members of the infected crew(everyone outside of the lab) is given a shot of CP2.

12th of April 2060, CP2 knocks out all of the injected personal, though G38 is wiped out.

12th April 2060 to 19th of May 2060, Jen and research assistant Unnamed refine the four parts of CP2 through 14 versions, eventually arriving at CP16, which awakens the crew members. Jen invokes Quarentine after one of the versions(CP11) reanimated the subject as a Zombie, which bit Research Assistant Unnamed, putting him in extreme pain until he killed himself.

30th May 2060 to 15th July, Crew Members degenerate to Zombies, seemingly at random.

15th July 2060, the final 6 non-zombified crew members are left.

18th September 2060, a crew member is killed by zombified crew while getting supplies from the cargobay.

27th September 2060, another crew member shows early signs of zombification and kills themselves, these tests later shown to be false positive.

10th October 2060, Crew member gets into a stasis chamber and goes to sleep because they are going mad.

15th October 2060, 3 Crewmembers, including Stan, head to the life support room to change the filter, none of which return.

15th October 2060 to 21st June 2061, Jen remains in the lab, looking for a cure and refining SE. Evenutally discovering an Auto-Immune responce which attacks the Super-Enzyme Creator in the blood stream.

21st June 2061 to 24th August 2061, Jen synthesises a Hyper-active White Blood Cell through some clever biology and then modifies it into a virus that would infect normal whiteblood cells, turning them into the H-Cell.

25th August 2061, Jen sneaks her way to the life support room (She has CP1-Adv in her blood, as well as numerous genetic advancements added between the original oubreak and then), attaches the virus caninster, bolts it into place, which counts as maintanance, and then returns to the lab and activates it remotely. Nothing significant happens.

25th December 2061, the computer begins reminding Jen that the air filter needs changing, a reminder that can only be shut off from Life Support.

28th December 2061, Jen sets off to the life support room, succeeds in disabling the automated alert, but is bitten on the way back. She returns to the lab and double doses on the H-Cell. She knows that her body will totally overeact and probably kill her, so puts herself in stasis, where her body will slowly fight the infection, and sets up the life support machine to nuke her immune system after that.

28th July 2085, Jen gets irradiated and her immune system dies. It slowly rebuilds over the next 5 years.

January 2091, Unity Shuttle Docks, Jen wakes up and activates the dormant defences following a message from Chi(To be fair to Chi some of the defences were active before then, such as the armoury corridor and the life support corridor...And technically Theros activated the Shield Corridor, though that would have activated anyway)

 

(Parts of this are obviously back formation, since I hadn't planned the logs or the maintanace schedual in advance...in truth my overview was:

 

Pre-2060

Jen announces super cure for all bioweapons

Jen fades into obscurity, taken by the Japanese and watched by Jeremiah's Benefactors

Jen is blasted into space and makes a lot of progress on the anti-bioweapon

2060ish

Volta disables the ship, is captured and killed

Jen makes the Zombie Virus

Captain tells Jen there is no way she is testing on a live human

Accident that isn't an accident occurs, and Jen tests on everyone

Zombie outbreak

Jen and team of surviours take refuge in the basement of the Crew Quarters

Jen creates a Vaccine, not a cure, and releases it somehow(Explaining why the Crew of the Unity don't zombify, which would just get confusing)

Post-2060

Jen survives to see the Unity arrive and masterminds a defensive effort when she finds out they are not a Japanese Relief Force

 

Endings:

Virus gets loose somehow on Earth, and reduces humanity to outposts.

Virus and cure get loose somehow on Earth, humanity decends into chaos, eventually recovering.

Neither get loose, but the whole plot is exposed(What happened so details are hidden)

The entire plot is kept secret, nothing significant occurs, but Unity gets a large amount of Credits and a free ship upgrade.

 

 

 

 

If there are any questions feel free to ask them before next session feel free to ask. However I would like to draw a line under events here after that, as I am liable to fill in the blanks in my memory with fiction. :thumbup:

 

 

Also please, please, please tell me honestly what you thought. I am thinking of doing another of these scenarios(Since I now have a decent amount of experience and know roughly what to expect...and it is reasonably fun to do them).

The next session will be the backlash from last session and a chance of do your sims and such.

If I do the new campaign then it will start on Thursday, when an old Lecturer of Faust's gets in touch about some discovery he made and wants the Unity to assist him.(Details by Wednesday night, I imagine, if there are no objections).

[Seraphi]

It was fairly fun, yes.

[Earth]

.... Aw now that is some Bull. Volta was already dead! We coulnd't have known, but that was a huge let down.

[Retech]

Ah, the prowess of the various Jens and Jen variants is truly astounding! I mean, we have a(n):

 

Arms dealer/researcher

Zombies creator/Anthrax bioweapon cure

Swiss Admiral

 

I'm so proud. <3:

 

 

Oh, how did the mission actually end?

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Admiral Jean, not Jen =P

 

 

Escape shuttle blew up, Jen killed Jeremiah, Drake mysteriously transported out before the explosion though.

Then the crew were taken to Planitia for debriefing and bioscans.

 

 

Retech, you should come back, you could be a mercenary or some such, like Ico was. :thumbup:

[Retech]

Exactly, Jen variant. Je-a-n model. :P

 

 

I might come around for sessions, but I don't think I can spend as much time as I used to. :thumbup:

[Corvus]

Also please, please, please tell me honestly what you thought. I am thinking of doing another of these scenarios(Since I now have a decent amount of experience and know roughly what to expect...and it is reasonably fun to do them).

The next session will be the backlash from last session and a chance of do your sims and such.

If I do the new campaign then it will start on Thursday, when an old Lecturer of Faust's gets in touch about some discovery he made and wants the Unity to assist him.(Details by Wednesday night, I imagine, if there are no objections).

 

Well there are two answers to this question of yours:

Actuality: Wasn't quite as fun as a normal session, mostly becuase Drake was largely useless due to his lack of combat ability and personality and this being a largely direct combat mission. Also its a matter that he is trying to pay for Project Jormungand (MP-C) to finish off the Jormungand (MP-T) main series, and dieing wont help.

Theory: This type of mission has a great deal of potential if the missions are refined and provide a bit more of a mixture of possible contributions, or upon completion of the Jormungand (MP-T) core series

 

Now onto assorted other things:

 

A message from Drake to the Rest of the Unity's Crew:

"I am afraid that I am unable to Rejoin you aboard the Unity at this time, as I have some business to finish before returning. I do not expect to require pickup, as I believe I can make my own way back to the Unity. Also Jeremiah, I believe I will be able to assist you remotely with project Obsidian remotely if I can get someone aboard the Unity to assist with the physical portions of the the process, though I first will have to check if its possible." (I wont be there tonight.)

 

Arch, any news on my training/merit request? Also, will Drake ever get an Analysis/psyche eval from the AI? (just wondering)

 

Updated and improved Project Jormungand Outline:

 

Jormungand (A) - Classified, Completed

-Jormungand (V) - Computer Virus intended for use by (A) - access restricted [security/safety]

 

Jormungand (MP) - Top level project designation

-Jormungand (MP-T) - Series designation

-~Jormungand (MP-C) - Classified, arranging for fabrication services with the Swiss

-~-Jormungand (E) - Anti-Plasma fire supression system initially designed for use in MP-C - similar system currently installed aboard the ISS Unity

-~-Jormungand (F) - specialised weapon system for use in MP-C - Design Access restricted [safety]

-~-Jormungand (M) - special material designed for use in MP-C

-~Jormungand (MP-NC) - Classified, 3 units ready for use

-~Jormungand (MP-A) - Sub-Series Designation

-~-Jormungand (MA) - Classified, planning for Use in Jormungand (MP-A) sub series

-~-Jormungand (MP-AC) - Classified, planning for design conversion

-~-Jormungand (MP-ANC) - Classified, planning for design conversion

-Jomungand (MP-S) - Series Designation

-~Jormungand (MP-E) - Classified, initial planning

-~Jormungand (MP-R) - Classified, initial planning. informal codename: Jormungand (Ω)

-~-Jormungand (WD) - initial planning

-~-~Operation Deus Ex Machina - Initial planning

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Arch, any news on my training/merit request? Also, will Drake ever get an Analysis/psyche eval from the AI? (just wondering)

 

Yeah, sorry, thought I oked it.

Level 2(1000+1500):

It will mean you bypass the training period where you crash into walls and such, and at level 5 you can choose a bonus of some type.

 

Actuality: Wasn't quite as fun as a normal session, mostly becuase Drake was largely useless due to his lack of combat ability and personality and this being a largely direct combat mission.

Hehe, the third session was more directly about researching and that bag of things, since people stopped, looked around and starting fleshing out the skeleton of the ship.

 

Since what happens is mostly dependant on the people involved and what they do though...

The keypad to the lab was supposed to be one of those 'Ok, lets search around for the scrap of paper hidden in the Captain's Quarters and discover his journal' but then it was TBed.

Similarly with ICOM, it was a program used in the Shield Generator Room with a minor subplot that reconnecting ICOMs memory would disable the shields, thus only 2 or 3 questions could be asked before it was too dangerous. But since people TBed it early on it just appeared useless.

The bridge door was locked with a puzzle lock, which was blown up.

The main corridor zombie fight could have been TB bypassed(Airvent or something), if you didn't want to fight your way through them...but people did.

 

But yes, I take your critisism onboard. I will try to add more traps that aren't simply 'A Turret Appears!' and flesh a back story out a little more in my mind...maybe adding some journal fragements placed in random locations, rather than everything being a search on the computer.

Though the next mission will feature Aliens so fragments will be encoded in some manner.

 

 

 

Also, I am going to be away for the weekend and Monday looks 80% likely to be on, though 20% likely not to be on.

[The_Mather1]

I just got an idea, an endosuit; Maybe about a desiliter or two of nanites programmed to attack any foreign body not accepted by imune system and cure injuries. They could also be set to modify bodily functions (to a minute degree) as to allow more nanites to be introduced. There could also be a second cathegory of nanites, the exoimune system, make to combat external threats as well as fullsized enemies, two possible attacks could be to work as a conduit between a powersource and an enemy, and to work as a railgun, creating two conduits out two fingers and a projectile in between and conduct power as to work as a railgun, the fired nanite projectile could then guide its flight by altering shape and attack the enemy from inside.

 

Too high expectations or could this work, do you think?

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Endosuit

 

First off, it would be a subcutaneous reserviour or an injection...not a suit.

Secondly, nanites that actively seek out infections are liable to go to war with your own body. And nanites, unlike the bodies current defences, would be more resiliant to methods to shut them down.

Thirdly, they would provide some additional protection against the outside world, though would need reprogramming every time something new was discovered/be intelligent...And would suppress the bodies own immune system.

Forthly, they could help with basic stuff, but realistically speaking they would cause more problems than they would solve, since they would inhibit blood vessel growth, bone reconstruction...that kind of Jazz.

Fifthly, the body could end up going to war against the nanites.

Sixthly, the nanites would be making lots of small changes, which could have a lot of large consequences...Due to cross reactions and what not.

Seventhly, the nanites would take up extreme amounts of resources...For example firing bullets out of your fingers would require .7 grams of iron...Your body has around 2.5 grams total...so you could fire 3.something shots before dying of lack of oxygen.

Eighthly, the energy consumption of a human powered railgun?

An active male should burn around 1,750 Kilogram Calories of Energy per day, about 4.2 kilojoules.

A small, 0.7 gram slug, on a 70 centimeter track, can be accelerated with 7 kilojoules of energy, to around 3,000 m/s...effective weight of 2.1 Kilograms.*

Now, scale that down to 20 centimeters(a large hand) and the figures should be:

24.5 Kilojoules

0.2 gram slug, effective weight 600 grams

857 m/s, or 600 grams effective weight

Per bullet.

So you would need to treble your daily food intake, process 3 times as much food, and then you would be able to fire 1 iron slug, which has an effective weight of 600 grams.

Assuming you were just firing a nanite or twenty at them, its doable, but would mean a massive force to break the skin.

 

Ninthly, nanite running-energy intake would be written off as zero.

Tenthly, electricity would take the path of least resistance...So unless the nanites blocked bloodflow around them and made a chain through the whole body, then a hole in the finger/whatever you were touching the attacker/powersource with...so you didn't get electrocuted yourself...you would get electrocuted...and more importantly, the nanites would shortout.

 

*[hide]The Yugoslavian MTI (MTI - Military - technology institute) developed, within a project named EDO-0, a rail gun with 7 kJ kinetic energy, in 1985. In 1987 a successor was created, project EDO-1, that used projectile with a mass of 0.7 g and achieved speeds of 3,000 m/s, and with a mass of 1.1 g reached speeds of 2,400 m/s. It used a track length of 0.7 m[/hide]

 

 

Ultimately, doable, though with disadvantages and only minor advantages.

[Seraphi]

Thought this was sort of relevent while we were talking about human powered railguns.

 

[The_Mather1]

Firstly I know that it would be a good idea to wear a backpack containing a supercapacitor and a fuel cell to power the nanites.

Secondly the endo- nanites would of course be programmed with medical software and as well be connected to a biomonitor preferably situated near the hyppotalamus.

Thirdly nanites can be constructed from a highly conductive material, preferably silver or gold in this case (due to being precious metals and thus not oxidating).

Fourth the nanites fired only have to hit the enemy then dig dig into its brain on their own power.

 

Now let me run that math,

A PEMFC hydrogen cell works at 100W to 500kW, since I've given it some levels of research I believe it is fair to say it has at least stabilized with an avarage output of 300kW, that's 300kJ/s, that's enough to launch a 10gram slug off a 8cm (finger lenght) rail at 1029m/s, effective weight of 10kg. But using the correct formulas for railguns that power could fire a 11gram projectile at 60km/s equivaling 660kg force each second. Asuming the flow of electricity is at 100 ampere.

 

I used these formulas:

 

And these values:

u0 = 1,256

I = 100A

r = 1mm

d = 5mm

Phi = 1,618

s = 0,1mm

Mass density of projectile = 19,41176471g/mm3 (gold)

Volume of projectile = 0,58875mm³

 

However note that 100A was arbitrary and that if you can calculate the actual flow (which I suspect would be higher) then please tell me, redoing the thing is just changing one value then excel does the rest.

[Earth]

Mather, why not jsut make an actual gun that eats people, and not cause yourself to have a heart atack every time you try to walk a single step. Also, Arch, what would a standard longbow, if made out of metal, then hollowed out, be able to produce energy wise if the entire hollowed out area was filled with an energy generator?

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Firstly I know that it would be a good idea to wear a backpack containing a supercapacitor and a fuel cell to power the nanites.

Seems rather self defeating...If power has to be transferred from storage point A to usage point B, then it requires logistics...for example, a string of nanites from A to B supplying the energy...Which would mean significant delays to firing.

In addition to this a fuel cell on your back to power a railgun in your hand? Why not just have a railgun and hold that in your hand? Since anyone not from TV land will remove a big, chilled, backpack that seems to be plugged into your back...or at least disconnect it.

 

Secondly the endo- nanites would of course be programmed with medical software and as well be connected to a biomonitor preferably situated near the hyppotalamus.

Right...Programming robots with medical knowladge is like giving car keys to drunk teenagers.

Also diagonistics is not an exact art...and testing things inside the body is probably not a good idea...and cures for any condition would be relatively difficult to synthesis...

Some diagnoses merely name a set of signs and symptoms that may have more than one possible cause, and some diagnoses are based on intuition or estimations of likelihood.

 

Thirdly nanites can be constructed from a highly conductive material, preferably silver or gold in this case (due to being precious metals and thus not oxidating).

Silver would be best, as its resistivity is 0.000000016 Ohms per meter, while Copper is 0.0000000172, and Gold is 0.000000023

 

Fourth the nanites fired only have to hit the enemy then dig dig into its brain on their own power.

Yes...Comments like that tend towards me thinking it is overpowered.

 

Thus leading me to point out that you would suffer from sever immune responce, since the nanites are not part of your own body, thus the body would freakout and attack the little monsters.

So I would imagine your nanites would totally eradicate your own immune system, which would mean a lot of the medical diagnostics would be useless...

 

As for 'Dig into the brain of the enemy'...Its just not going to happen...Two things stop this:

1. The blood-brain barrier

2. A nanite is tiny...It would be killed, in most cases, by passing cells within the body, and if not, when it got to the brain it would be electrified and would take hours to do any real damage...by which time it(nanite) would be dead.

[The_Mather1]

Earth, all normal actions would be done without aid, but upon injury the nanites would begin repairing you and you can fire nanites out of your hand. As well as that you can still use whatever else you want, though I won't sugguest firing while holding something.

Also you dismiss my idea of using nanites as a personal aid, yet you suspect to fit a flexible powersource inside a longbow? I'm sugguesting something slightly futuristic, you're sugguesting midieval mixed with "in a million years".

 

Archi, the nanites would only mend damaged areas and attack DNA forreign to the subject, his allies and any donors, DNA records being stored in a network point.

Nanites are supposedly able to eat entire people, why shouldn't a few be able to sever one important pathway?

Also after seeing the numbers I got I'm actually really tempted to make a railgun, I imagine using a supercapacitor I should be able to get up to at least a kA through some proper silver wires and by using larger rails...

 

Hang on, I'ma change a calculation.

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Also, Arch, what would a standard longbow, if made out of metal, then hollowed out, be able to produce energy wise if the entire hollowed out area was filled with an energy generator?

Do you mean would it be able to produce a laser arrow? Sure, though it would only be good for straight lining.

 

If you had some sort of plasma arrow...that could work.

[Jehosaphat]

Secondly the endo- nanites would of course be programmed with medical software and as well be connected to a biomonitor preferably situated near the hyppotalamus.

Right...Programming robots with medical knowladge is like giving car keys to drunk teenagers.

Also diagonistics is not an exact art...and testing things inside the body is probably not a good idea...and cures for any condition would be relatively difficult to synthesis...

Some diagnoses merely name a set of signs and symptoms that may have more than one possible cause, and some diagnoses are based on intuition or estimations of likelihood.

Because "push the button" in RPGs works a lot less well when it's a robot programmed to push all the buttons, and the 'buttons' just happen to be inside your liver.

 

Also, Mather, please stop over-sciencing things. This is meant to be a game in a made-up universe in which the GM is god; not a normal Earth with normal Earth physics. Thus, stuff doesn't necessarily work the way it would on Earth.

[The_Mather1]

Ok, a 20cm long railgun with rails with a 5cm radius would at 1kA be able to fire a 61gram slug at 175,000km/s, equaling 480kg of force.

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Archi, the nanites would only mend damaged areas and attack DNA forreign to the subject, his allies and any donors, DNA records being stored in a network point.

Nanites are supposedly able to eat entire people, why shouldn't a few be able to sever one important pathway?

Also after seeing the numbers I got I'm actually really tempted to make a railgun, I imagine using a supercapacitor I should be able to get up to at least a kA through some proper silver wires and by using larger rails...

 

Hang on, I'ma change a calculation.

 

Mather, trillions of bacteria live in the mouth with different DNA to us...

Using nanites to purge your entire body of everything mildly foreign would strip you of every defence you have, making you solely reliant on Nanites for everything...Which is fine, but it will mean that you won't be able to eat...

Repairing damage is fine.

 

So your statement is:

"Nanites are uber powerful, why can't I use them to kill someone in 5 seconds?"

Did you read my post about overpowered comments? I don't mind Red Faction Nano Forge like weapons, disassembling a target's leg with one shot or what have you...but when you start talking about nanites that do brain surgery if you shoot them vaguely in the general area of the target...that is where I think the whole concept becomes ridiculous.

 

Not to mention producing...what? A few trillion nanites in every shot? (If you are having 61 gram slugs)

 

 

 

 

You are looking at a White Elephant

[The_Mather1]

I would not expect them to get more than maybe halfway through the skull in 5 seconds, and it can't exactly be called surgery when the pathway I was talking about was the brain stem.

 

And 61 gram nanite slugs would be if the nanites were made from gold, which is most likely considerably heavier than what they usually are made from.

 

Anyways I rather liked what the railgun carbine ended up with as stats, not bad for something theoretically capable of firing at 60 shots per minute.

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/join #space22 tavern

 

 

Log:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12603519/Space/Logs/%23space22.Tip.It.log