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The A in AI stands for Artifical. :rolleyes:

 

 

Think of it like a book being scanned into a computer.

 

Book=Organic

Computer=Artifical

 

Words=?

They are not Artifical and they are not Organic...

[The_Mather1]

Archi, a book is indeed organic, but a scanned book is digital and a holographic book would be artificial.

Organic = Real, original.

Digital = Untangible, saved.

Artificial = Fake, replica.

 

So, a correct term would be DI, Digital Intelligence.

[Seraphi]

You just put copy and replica as two different categories when they both basically mean the same thing. Something can be artifical and digital at the same time... Like an AI. The hint is in the name.

[The_Mather1]

I changed that to the more proper term 'saved'. But when something is digital it is just as real as the original, but when it's artificial it isn't real because then it is no longer capable of irrationality and it is based on rand() functions as opposed to creativity.

[archimage_a]

Archi, a book is indeed organic, but a scanned book is digital and a holographic book would be artificial.

Organic = Real, original.

Digital = Untangible, saved.

Artificial = Fake, replica.

 

In dictionary terms:

A Man-made(Artificial) Capacity of mind, especially to understand principles, truths, facts or meanings, acquire knowledge, and apply it to practice; the ability to learn and comprehend(Intelligence).

 

 

And on your definations:

Book= A copy of that which is metaphysical(Thoughts)

Scanned Book= A copy of that which is metaphysical(Thoughts)

Holographic Book= A copy of that which is metaphysical(Thoughts)

 

The Book may be Organic, the Computer may be Digital, the Hologram may be Holographic...But the words are still words.

If words were written holographically first, then digitally, then written on paper, then your defination structure is reversed...with Organic as the fake replication of the real, original hologram.

 

And what your describe:

But when something is digital it is just as real as the original, but when it's artificial it isn't real because then it is no longer capable of irrationality and it is based on rand() functions as opposed to creativity.

 

Is Digital Verse Analogue, not Organic Verses Artificial.

 

A Statue is Artificial and Analogue...

A Rock is Organic and Analogue...

A Computer is Artificial and Digital...

Life is Natural and Digital...it is either on, or it is off.

 

 

A Digitial computer is not capable of irrationality...PI is an obvious example...

A Digital computer, no matter how sophisticated, will still return a rounded number for PI.

An Analogue computer, no matter how simple, will return an irrational for PI.

 

The AI is, therefore, an Analogue Computer...So describing it as a Digitial Intelligence would be like calling the fax machine a waffle iron with a phone attached...

[Jehosaphat]

So how about we just term it as "hey, these guys have computers instead of brains" and move on?

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So how about we just term it as "hey, these guys have computers instead of brains" and move on?

Somehow that seems far too easy <_<

 

 

 

Anyway, for Thursday I have been doing a little bit of work, generating a fair number of 3D pictures...But because it is such an intensive task I have decided to just have the opening few sections in pictographic form, with the rest in good old 2D.

 

3D Vs 2D is something I have been thinking about a little bit recently...

Since in 3D there is virtually no room to improvise(You can't sping an airvent out of thin air like you can with 2D.)

But 3D images can reveal obvious information to the player without going 'Hey look, there is a letter on top of those barrels!'.

 

In short:

3D takes longer, is expended faster and is less versatile BUT adds to the mood and provides a lot of information quickly.

 

 

 

Ultimately I am rather happy with 2D, I am just experimenting with 3D because it gets me out of proper planning (Boo-Hiss, I know :thumbdown: ), but if something good can come out of it then great.

[Icuownage]

Do a mix? Improvise with 2D with neccessary scenes being in 3D?

[Earth]

I know, how about making 'Combat Coridors', sorta like where all the zombies were. Those places go in 3D and only aplly to that specific area. 2D is for general layouts, and on the spot combats where you don't have time to take a look around you.(A.K.A. Archi forgot to 3D it.)

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The problem is that I swing between:

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Which is rather nice, rather informative...and then:

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Which looks fairly bland and uninformative...also the light is wrong, but that is a seperate matter.

 

 

Part of it is me not have the library of images to hand to make the whole thing in 3 days.

Part of it is me not wanting to go 'Hey, if you get a three D picture it means there are Zombies around.'

And part of it is me going 'Yeah, I can do this!'

 

And then there is the part of me that goes 'This is a really good scene...its just a shame the camera won't fit in any of the darned angles! :wall: '

 

 

But yeah, life goes on =P

[The_Mather1]

Archi, you could just use sketchup, colour the outside of the room with glass (to make the walls see-through one way, but not the other) and upload to the warehouse where we can use the 3d view to look at it.

 

Damn html. Well, apparently it won't accept 3d view for newer models except in html embedding, but here's an example anyways: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=598fc71310a46a9ce16677520034e137

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Isn't that a jpeg?

And doesn't resolve the 'This room can be seen, this room can't.' problem.

 

 

Ultimately I like 3D because it gets me thinking about content rather than just stuff to go in rooms...and because it makes the game look sharper.

[The_Mather1]

No, why would it be a .jpeg? I tried to embed the 3d view but because the forum's html tags are too simple I just had to post the link to the warehouse.

Also it doesn't really solve any problems but should make making the 3d rooms both faster and simpler for you as well as easier for us. Though one way to solve the 3d/2d problem could be to just use crude models, allowing us to see computers and obstacles but just ignore small and unimportant things that may or may not be wanted later.

[archimage_a]

No, why would it be a .jpeg?

Because it is full of artefacts...

 

3d rooms both faster and simpler for you as well as easier for us.

I can make blocks on Gamespace, I can also boolan, subdivide, colour proficently, use various different light types and colours, and use a vast number of built in textures.

 

I can whip this up in 5 minutes...And is a considerably better quality of image.

 

Though one way to solve the 3d/2d problem could be to just use crude models, allowing us to see computers and obstacles but just ignore small and unimportant things that may or may not be wanted later.

Or I could just use paint...Its easier, faster and generates better images

[The_Mather1]

Sketchup is better in that "everyone" has it, and there you can actually turn the model to look behind over and under.

 

And the reason the image seemingly contained artefacts was because those were edges, whereas I had turned off lines.

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Sketchup is worse for exactly that reason.

 

 

And the picture is saved as a jpeg on the google server...You can see this by right clicking and pressing properties on the picture...

[archimage_a]

Gonna push Space back an hour so I can reset the puzzles and try to finish up the third part of the epic quest. :thumbup:

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/join #space23 tavern

 

Log:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12603519/Space/Logs/%23space23.Tip.It.log

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The puzzle seems a little harder than I intended...so as a hint I would suggest you look at the ones I have given answers for, paying attention to the second and last letters in the decoded version.

 

 

Also, a reminder that I won't be around Saturday, so I need to talk to Ross about trading Sunday for Saturday or Sunday for Monday....Or just putting it off till monday.

I would like a Drake/Chi/Theros/Jen character online though, since solving puzzles is more integrated with this quest...Combat still features, but isn't played up as much as before.

[Corvus]

This place seems unusually friendly for a military research base, so this Glation whatever seems very friendly. They even have 2 dining locations in this place (though they are poorly spelled) unfortunately I couldn't find any nice gifts in the Visitor Information area as it seems everything is extremely moldy. If any of the biologicals with us need to use the bathroom, its the second door on the left after leaving the Cable Car. Also we should beware of the second door on the right out of the Cable Car as that is Security. Also I reccommend not hitting the upper right button on the Cable Car control panel unless

Also you cut off the end of the one cable car button's label: you have it listed as Rnv*eteas*lneLodaap* , when it should be Rnv*eteas*lneLodaap*rbmDcseeh

I have managed to figure out all of the documents save one which when translated results in a general pile of impossible letter sequences.(the pamphlet in the visitor information area)

Long story short I have learned this Alien language in practice, though I am wondering whether this would translate over to a mechanical knowledge of the language.(IE not having to go through the annoyingly tedious process of translating.)

 

Also I am currently using around 100 nanites with direct control in order to slow the progression of the killer mold/moss/whatever in Farnsworth. I did not simply reprogram the nanites mainly because field reprogramming nanites to combat an unknown substance is almost certainly going to end up having something horrible go wrong with it.

[Jehosaphat]

So... what'd I miss?

[Seraphi]

I'm fine with whatever, archi. No more worrying about being tired because I don't have to get up in the mornings.

[archimage_a]

I have managed to figure out all of the documents save one which when translated results in a general pile of impossible letter sequences.(the pamphlet in the visitor information area)

 

That was my fault, the program I was used has a decode/encode button...I left it on decode.

It should read:

Welcome*to*Vetran,*home*of*the*Quelnut*Whip*Ice-cream*and*Aquavita,*the*drink*of*the*Stars.

Please*consult*the*reverse*for*a*map*of*the*facility*and*we*hope*your*enjoy*your*stay*with*us.

 

Long story short I have learned this Alien language in practice, though I am wondering whether this would translate over to a mechanical knowledge of the language.(IE not having to go through the annoyingly tedious process of translating.)

I am happy if you just type out the message and send it to me, rather than translating it yourself.

Its still mildly tedious but it is an alien language and translating it should take some portion of time.

Or you can TB for each one you want instantly translated.

 

Also you cut off the end of the one cable car button's label: you have it listed as Rnv*eteas*lneLodaap* , when it should be Rnv*eteas*lneLodaap*rbmDcseeh

Good spot, have a technobabble token.

[Retech]

Sorry for totally ignoring the thing you sent me Arch. Just totally forgot. If you still want me to do that, I can.

[The_Mather1]

Archi, how much would a lvl2 transporter cost?

 

Here's a sugguestion for a salvager ship:

It would cost 1066kT plus the price of a lvl2 transporter + the price of two drone launchers + the price of a destroyer hull.

 

PS: If it is constructed I have a layered copy where I can just erase all but ther grid from the top layer to get it ready to recieve proper symbols.