Apple no longer supports Java...

[CaJ]

Recently it has been announced that Apple no longer supports Java. So if you happen to play Java based games (Runescape) and hope to update your Java on a Mac, good luck doing so.

 

Any thoughts, concerns, suggestions?

[Hegelstad]

It'll still be available, they just want to make it harder to get..

[DarkDude]

They're not putting it with their OS updates, it'll still be available elsewhere.

[Sy_Accursed]

Yeah only reason sun/oracle don't do their own mac release is that apple builds their own mac version into the mac os.

 

As soon as they stop sun/oracle will prob release their own mac build.

[obfuscator]

Yeah only reason sun/oracle don't do their own mac release is that apple builds their own mac version into the mac os.

 

As soon as they stop sun/oracle will prob release their own mac build.

Yeah. Same thing happened for windows a long time ago.

 

It makes sense, if they bundle it with the OS they have to support it - if oracle builds their own mac version oracle has to support it.

[Sy_Accursed]

Yeah only reason sun/oracle don't do their own mac release is that apple builds their own mac version into the mac os.

 

As soon as they stop sun/oracle will prob release their own mac build.

Yeah. Same thing happened for windows a long time ago.

 

It makes sense, if they bundle it with the OS they have to support it - if oracle builds their own mac version oracle has to support it.

 

Windows was very similar situation.

 

Windows had java by default.

Hackers/Virus makers abused java as a doorway in.

Windows removes java as standard from OS.

 

Since now only java gamers download java a good 98% of windows users no longer have java thus making windows java viruses (outside specific hacks for java games) pointless.

[sees_all1]

Yeah. Same thing happened for windows a long time ago.

 

I thought the windows jobbie was an IP, copyright or licensing issue; Sun sued Microsoft for incorrectly implementing their platform.

Which was also why using several ports (rs232) isn't supported by Java, because Microsoft sued back for sourcing libraries that weren't theirs.

 

Its difficult to imagine Oracle not making a JRE for Macs; without support for Mac they won't be able to claim "write once, run anywhere".

[obfuscator]

I meant more the "had it, removed it" was the same :P

[Sy_Accursed]

hmm perhaps it was both. I know read somewhere about it being done for virus stuffs

[Guest jrhairychest]

Always a good idea to streamline an OS then just add what we need.

[Laura]

It's funny that this occurs alongside a new Java-based trojan.

 

I think that it has the potential to be better than what was originally implemented. Hopefully the above article isn't a hint at what is to come, though. :\

[Sbrideau]

Yeah only reason sun/oracle don't do their own mac release is that apple builds their own mac version into the mac os.

 

As soon as they stop sun/oracle will prob release their own mac build.

Yeah. Same thing happened for windows a long time ago.

 

It makes sense, if they bundle it with the OS they have to support it - if oracle builds their own mac version oracle has to support it.

 

Windows was very similar situation.

 

Windows had java by default.

Hackers/Virus makers abused java as a doorway in.

Windows removes java as standard from OS.

 

Since now only java gamers download java a good 98% of windows users no longer have java thus making windows java viruses (outside specific hacks for java games) pointless.

Probably for the same reason as Windows as well, it has to be known by now that Macs also have viruses.

[Laura]

Probably for the same reason as Windows as well, it has to be known by now that Macs also have viruses.

There are no viruses that currently afflict Leopard or Snow Leopard.

[obfuscator]

Probably for the same reason as Windows as well, it has to be known by now that Macs also have viruses.

There are no viruses that currently afflict Leopard or Snow Leopard.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2371604,00.asp ??

[Laura]

Probably for the same reason as Windows as well, it has to be known by now that Macs also have viruses.

There are no viruses that currently afflict Leopard or Snow Leopard.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2371604,00.asp ??

"...users need to manually allow it access to their computers."

 

and

 

"Mac users should be aware that this threat exists, and that it is likely to be operative in the future, so this Koobface Trojan horse may become an issue for Macs," Intego said.

 

The article purposely uses the word virus to gain more hits.

Edited October 28, 2010 by Laura

[Sy_Accursed]

Its still a virus even if you have to clikc a link for it to activate.

[obfuscator]

It isn't a virus in the strictest sense of the word.

 

Using the phrase "there are no viruses for macs" is unfortunately synonymous with the phrase "there is no malware for macs" which is completely untrue.

[Sy_Accursed]

Virus is a blanket term for things that intend to do the system harm or steal from it in some way.

 

A javs trojan is a form of virus.

[Kimberly]

Recently it has been announced that Apple no longer supports Java. So if you happen to play Java based games (Runescape) and hope to update your Java on a Mac, good luck doing so.

 

 

inb4 cracking

 

inb4 update that bricks cracked machines

[obfuscator]

Virus is a blanket term for things that intend to do the system harm or steal from it in some way.

 

A javs trojan is a form of virus.

Correction: "Virus" is incorrectly used as a blanket term for all malware.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_virus

 

Not to be confused with Malware.

 

A computer virus is a computer program that can copy itself and infect a computer. The term "virus" is also commonly but erroneously used to refer to other types of malware, including but not limited to adware and spyware programs that do not have the reproductive ability. A true virus can spread from one computer to another (in some form of executable code) when its host is taken to the target computer; for instance because a user sent it over a network or the Internet, or carried it on a removable medium such as a floppy disk, CD, DVD, or USB drive.

Viruses can increase their chances of spreading to other computers by infecting files on a network file system or a file system that is accessed by another computer.

As stated above, the term "computer virus" is sometimes used as a catch-all phrase to include all types of malware, even those that do not have the reproductive ability. Malware includes computer viruses, computer worms, Trojan horses, most rootkits, spyware, dishonest adware and other malicious and unwanted software, including true viruses. Viruses are sometimes confused with worms and Trojan horses, which are technically different. A worm can exploit security vulnerabilities to spread itself automatically to other computers through networks, while a Trojan horse is a program that appears harmless but hides malicious functions. Worms and Trojan horses, like viruses, may harm a computer system's data or performance. Some viruses and other malware have symptoms noticeable to the computer user, but many are surreptitious or simply do nothing to call attention to themselves. Some viruses do nothing beyond reproducing themselves.

 

[Kimberly]

Virus is a blanket term for things that intend to do the system harm or steal from it in some way.

Correction: "Virus" is incorrectly used as a blanket term for all malware.

 

I don't see a difference between what you said and he said. Are you guys really just arguing about the same thing now?

[Sy_Accursed]

Virus is a blanket term for things that intend to do the system harm or steal from it in some way.

Correction: "Virus" is incorrectly used as a blanket term for all malware.

 

I don't see a difference between what you said and he said. Are you guys really just arguing about the same thing now?

 

His point is in true technicality Virus refers only to a infectious computer program that replicates itself to over run a computer, much like a human viral infection does.

 

This however has no bearing on the fact virus is used widely as a blanket term for all types of malware, hence you get Norton Anti-Virus etc despite the fact they cover everything.

[Sbrideau]

Probably for the same reason as Windows as well, it has to be known by now that Macs also have viruses.

There are no viruses that currently afflict Leopard or Snow Leopard.

 

There are, and nowadays most of them are the same way as this one. That's why in windows you get a warning twice before installing a program from an unknown source. People still click yes and ok and there is no way that the mac users are different than Windows users.

[Laura]

Probably for the same reason as Windows as well, it has to be known by now that Macs also have viruses.

There are no viruses that currently afflict Leopard or Snow Leopard.

 

There are, and nowadays most of them are the same way as this one. That's why in windows you get a warning twice before installing a program from an unknown source. People still click yes and ok and there is no way that the mac users are different than Windows users.

Then they are erroneously reported as viruses, as Y_Guy pointed out. The differences are noted here.

 

Java, intrinsically, is allowed to read and write what it pleases under certain conditions. However, there is a clear red warning indicating possible dangers. "Self-signed root certificate" really says it all. The user let the program run on their computer - not a virus.

 

[Sbrideau]

Probably for the same reason as Windows as well, it has to be known by now that Macs also have viruses.

There are no viruses that currently afflict Leopard or Snow Leopard.

 

There are, and nowadays most of them are the same way as this one. That's why in windows you get a warning twice before installing a program from an unknown source. People still click yes and ok and there is no way that the mac users are different than Windows users.

Then they are erroneously reported as viruses, as Y_Guy pointed out. The differences are noted here.

 

Java, intrinsically, is allowed to read and write what it pleases under certain conditions. However, there is a clear red warning indicating possible dangers. "Self-signed root certificate" really says it all. The user let the program run on their computer - not a virus.

 

 

 

But as it's already been explained, Virus is a term that is misused in a lot of cases, such as this one. Do you really want me to change my habits and write something longer like 'malware' wich in fact it is?