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I've read somewhere that Prayer bonus becomes less effective relating to Prayer point drain rate at a point.

 

 

 

Can someone dig this up for me, because I cannot find this post/thread with our search (probably using the wrong keywords) or if you can't find the specific post, can someone please supply me when the specific formula of prayer drain rate and it's effectiveness with added prayer bonus?

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People just make that (Correct) generalization around on the threads, but I haven't seen any specific formulas for it here on TIF. I think people recommend around 15-20 prayer bonus, and trying to add anything else over equipment that boosts offensive stats is a waste.

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according to runehq's prayer drain calc, the relationship between prayer bonus and drain rate is linear.

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I've said that prayer bonus gets diminishing returns dozens of times, so that would be me who said that.

 

RS wiki says that prayer drain rate is a proportional to:

 

(30 + Prayer bonus)/30

 

so if you have 0 prayer bonus, you drain at 1x normal rate.

if you have +30 prayer bonus, you drain at 0.5x normal rate.

And of course, this equation says you need +90 prayer bonus for 0.25x normal rate.

 

+1 prayer bonus at 0 prayer bonus, will save you many more prayer potion doses

then +1 prayer bonus at +30 prayer bonus for example.

 

that is what I meant by diminishing returns.

 

So in terms of pure cash savings per hour, each additional prayer point stops mattering once you already have a pretty high bonus.

 

I always use this equation for calculating how many potions to bring to slayer.

And it's never failed me.

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Thanks, I needed that, because I'm trying to convince someone that Bandos > Veracs and Z spear >= CLS @ Frost Dragons.

 

But instead I'm getting:

Dood if you can still believe that, ignorance is bliss. Ima let you finish, but the cls was the beet invention of all time.

 

:(

 

I'm even getting some Chaotic Longsword > Chaotic Rapier (@ frosties) from this conversation. :/

 

 

Thanks, Grimy.

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But aren't the chaotic weapons far better at frosties?

 

Since the whole point is dragons are weak to stab, so you want maximum stab bonus.

cls has 107 stab

cr has 94

Zammy spear has 85

 

I fail to see how prayer relates to this since non have prayer bonus, but with the stab usage in mind ZS is clearly the worst choice of the 3, especially after you factor in that it is 2 handed opposed to 1 handed meaning you sacrifice shield spot to use it.

 

Bandos is probably better option than veracs depending on what prayers you are using and your stats; but theres no grounds what so ever to say ZS is better weapon.

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But aren't the chaotic weapons far better at frosties?Since the whole point is dragons are weak to stab, so you want maximum stab bonus.

cls has 107 stab

cr has 94

Zammy spear has 85

I fail to see how prayer relates to this since non have prayer bonus, but with the stab usage in mind ZS is clearly the worst choice of the 3, especially after you factor in that it is 2 handed opposed to 1 handed meaning you sacrifice shield spot to use it.

Bandos is probably better option than veracs depending on what prayers you are using and your stats; but theres no grounds what so ever to say ZS is better weapon.

 

Zamorakian spear has 2 prayer bonus.

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Oh yeah totall missed that in my skimming.

 

But still unless you have like <10 prayer bonus it doesn't warrant dropping like 20 stab bonus.

 

20 extra stab is gonna save you more in ppots than +2 prayer.

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Oh yeah totall missed that in my skimming.

 

But still unless you have like <10 prayer bonus it doesn't warrant dropping like 20 stab bonus.

 

20 extra stab is gonna save you more in ppots than +2 prayer.

This would all be true if CLS was the same speed as ZS, let alone rapier. ZS would get a few kills less an hour than CLS, but usually not enough to justify the 90k an hour price tag(with all accuracy boosts, it's next to a tossup).

 

Also, anyone still looking at accuracy bonuses alone really deserves to be called an idiot. Even with 41 more stab bonus the CLS has(with defender), there is no way to make up for that loss in speed. The prayer bonus on a ZS is insignificant(as you are bound to have 20+ anyway).

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I fail to see your line of argument agaisnt me here?

 

ZS prayer bonus insignificant = CLS is better

ZS would get a few less kills = CLS is better

ZS is less accurate on stab = CLS is better.

 

Yes CLS probably costs more in the recharge unless you recharge it purely on tokens, but its still a better weapon for killing frost dragons.

I mean no-one factors the cost of barrows repairs into things so why factor in CLS etc.

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I fail to see your line of argument agaisnt me here?

 

ZS prayer bonus insignificant = CLS is better

ZS would get a few less kills = CLS is better

ZS is less accurate on stab = CLS is better.

 

Yes CLS probably costs more in the recharge unless you recharge it purely on tokens, but its still a better weapon for killing frost dragons.

I mean no-one factors the cost of barrows repairs into things so why factor in CLS etc.

Noone factors in ge price for blue partyhat, does that mean that it's insignificant?

 

Yes, CLS is better, but not better enough to justify using it. By your logic, onyx bolts are always better than broad bolts.

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Because cls costs more? Barrows is like... 1k per hour? 2k? Cls is more like 60-90k (depending on how much you are in combat; higher means better in this case).

 

You conviently forget that zspear has more speed, and the same speed as the dragons. This makes ss flicking much easier, and the one tick advantage translates to 25% more dps.

 

And you also forget the rapier, but I suppose that's just not relevant as it's far better than any other weapon.

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