This has no debate value for a simple reason, you are an arrogant person who's opinions must always be right.

 

This has no debate value for a multidude of reasons.

 

You can't debate truth.

 

You're too mired in your own illusion to see it working inside you, RIGHT NOW.

 

It isn't about me being right, or believing anything. Its about what is TRUE and REAL.

How many times do I have to say this, you've missed the point, yet again.

Look at how you're seeing your interpretation of me in your mind, look at how you're painting me with qualities, that you've just pulled out of your ass, to feel better about yourself.

 

I'm glad this isn't a debate, that would mean it to be a BATTLE OF IDEAS IN ORDER TO "WIN". What ultimate goal is there?! NONE. Just to win, to feel better about yourself. You don't care about truth, only your twisted image of what it represents.

 

You've dismissed everything here without even considering it, at all. Do you feel anything towards that?

 

And you, kind sir, are one those people who are so up their own arse they cannot come to realizations that their opinion maybe isn't right.

 

Also, please note that you contradicted yourself 3 times in that one paragraph. If I was to go back and look at how many more times you contradicted yourself I think we would find enough proof to dismiss this pointless debate argument.

 

Note, I don't exactly like arguing but pretentious people like yourself always give me a good laugh at twisted and demented ideals.

Do I exist? Yes

Why do I exist? Because my parents had sex over 20.25 years ago.

 

 

I have a feeling I am missing the point you are trying to make.

 

A body exists. A brain exists.

 

But you weren't born with this feeling of "you" you have now.

 

What is that? Where did that come from?

Em how can you be sure we weren't "born with this feeling of "you" you have now."

I think you would have to ask a biologist or something, otherwise I don't think we can prove to you that we were born with it, just like we can't really prove we weren't born with it, can we?

First you tell us not to over-analyze things.

 

Then you proceed to over-analyze things.

 

I exist. Period. If I didn't I wouldn't even be able to ask myself that.

 

Simple truth doesn't mean simple inquiry.

 

No. There is only asking. Not "you" asking "yourself" that. There is asking.

 

What are you trying to say? That subjects don't exist? That ideas and actions are independent of individuals? That we are all unimportant?

 

Explain yourself further, and don't redirect me to the original post.

 

You're missing the point.

 

 

I'm not trying to say anything, other than to make you look.

 

You're just wanting to turn this into an idea you can think about and compare other ideas to, so you can take a shiny one home and hang it in your study to look at when you're lonely.. You don't even think to question what you're doing, regardless of me talking about how ideas work in the first post.

 

It's still ideas to you. Look at what's happening in your mind. You want to logic it, but why? Even in response to this, right now, you're trying to create more ideas about it. Why?

 

First of all, you assume nobody has "looked" before.

Second, you think that you and only you have the capacity to make others look.

 

You seem to think that you are "enlighted", on a different level than most of us.

 

Tell me, do you often feel violent?

 

Enlightenment, that's wrapped up in a load of spiritual bs and serene zen wisdom magic that keeps people locked in their delusions even longer.

 

I have realised something that most haven't. Does that make me better than you? No. Does that make me more honest than you? Yes. I knew from the beginning that my qualities would be attacked, regardless of whether you cared to consider it for yourself or not. Oh and lots of people do get this, they just wrap it up in unecessary spiritual [cabbage] that makes you believe more fantasy and ignores the simply reality that all you need to do is be HONEST. What does my character have to do with anything in regards to truth?

 

I don't think you ever have looked. I don't think 99.9% of people out there have truly looked. If they did we'd be living in a free world, because it really takes one honest look. I'm not asking you to believe me.

 

Can you not see. You're trying to beat me. To make yourself feel better about all of this by pushing me down. Did you even consider anything I wrote?

 

Right now, you're just thinking of typing something back aren't you. You haven't actually considered to look at what i'm saying. You just want to win.

What makes you think that our collective experiences aren't good enough to be considered self? I have different experiences, memories than you do, therefore we are different and can be defined as separate. That separation between two similar entities means that there is something more dividing humanity than physical characteristics, which I believe is "self". The stimuli in my daily life has shaped me, into what I consider to be "me". I accept that who I am is a product of my environment, genetics, and thought. Because of this I can say that I exist, if only in the sense that I exist within my own idea of reality which may or not be inhabited by other extant beings. This of course assumes that what I perceive is "real" and even if it isn't, I understand it to be and know no of other reality.

 

In any case, there's truly nothing to be gained from examining this, coming to the conclusion that you exist only reaffirms your prior beliefs; coming to the conclusion that you don't exist, as unlikely as you are to draw that conclusion, simply means that what you do has no purpose or reason. in the end, the result doesn't change.

 

TL;DR: I exist and if I'm wrong don't; it doesn't really make a difference.

Oh my god you are so right, we are all sheeple and everyone in this thread is either ignoring or attacking you, you are so right!! CMON GUYS YOU NEED TO SEE THE TRUTH

 

So to get things straight:

 

You claim that you do not know what the truth is, and nobody does, yet it is right in front of our eyes. You believe this because something (probably watching Inception under various influences) caused you to doubt reality, or you read something on existentialism, or whatever. Now you think that you are the only one that sees that we are all inherently given clouded judgement as we grow through our life and become increasingly ignorant to the truth.

 

... I hope you realize this makes you sound like a lonely 15-year old. And your logic is so basic is reminds me of Plato... "IF ZERO DOES NOT EXIST, THEN SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT EXIST CANNOT EXIST, THEREFORE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ZERO SINCE IT CANNOT EXIST!"

 

You're also underestimating the subconscious. Very little of our brain is reserved for conscious action; most people live their lives on cruise-control, rarely making honest decisions. Perhaps this is what you mean by the 'truth'? Because it isn't exactly revolutionary, secretive, known-only-by-0.1%-of-people knowledge.

This has no debate value for a simple reason, you are an arrogant person who's opinions must always be right.

 

This has no debate value for a multidude of reasons.

 

You can't debate truth.

 

You're too mired in your own illusion to see it working inside you, RIGHT NOW.

 

It isn't about me being right, or believing anything. Its about what is TRUE and REAL.

How many times do I have to say this, you've missed the point, yet again.

Look at how you're seeing your interpretation of me in your mind, look at how you're painting me with qualities, that you've just pulled out of your ass, to feel better about yourself.

 

I'm glad this isn't a debate, that would mean it to be a BATTLE OF IDEAS IN ORDER TO "WIN". What ultimate goal is there?! NONE. Just to win, to feel better about yourself. You don't care about truth, only your twisted image of what it represents.

 

You've dismissed everything here without even considering it, at all. Do you feel anything towards that?

 

And you, kind sir, are one those people who are so up their own arse they cannot come to realizations that their opinion maybe isn't right.

 

Also, please note that you contradicted yourself 3 times in that one paragraph. If I was to go back and look at how many more times you contradicted yourself I think we would find enough proof to dismiss this pointless debate argument.

 

Note, I don't exactly like arguing but pretentious people like yourself always give me a good laugh at twisted and demented ideals.

 

Practice what you preach.

 

THIS IS NOT AN OPINION. THIS IS NOT A BELIEF.

 

I warned against seeing it that way in my FIRST post.

 

You have failed to actually engage with any of the content, despite me telling you how your mind is going to actively make you avoid looking at this.

 

You only care about winning. I'm starting to think this is a pointless argument, because you're simply refusing to actually look at what I'm saying. You'd rather be the moral one.

 

What's the point of a debate, for you? Answers, truth?

 

No, you care about winning. If you cared about truth, which is the whole point of any philosophy ultimately, you would have considered what I said, genuinely.

 

But no, you're just creating images of me in your mind, giving it characteristics, and then using that, like a chess piece in the story you call your life. Regardless of the truth.

Better question: Who gives a [bleep]?

 

What matters is that I'm right here, right now. I don't have time to question those "if's" and "or's". And everything he said is one giant paradox. A self-terminating paradox.

What makes you think that our collective experiences aren't good enough to be considered self? I have different experiences, memories than you do, therefore we are different and can be defined as separate. That separation between two similar entities means that there is something more dividing humanity than physical characteristics, which I believe is "self". The stimuli in my daily life has shaped me, into what I consider to be "me". I accept that who I am is a product of my environment, genetics, and thought. Because of this I can say that I exist, if only in the sense that I exist within my own idea of reality which may or not be inhabited by other extant beings. This of course assumes that what I perceive is "real" and even if it isn't, I understand it to be and know no of other reality.

 

In any case, there's truly nothing to be gained from examining this, coming to the conclusion that you exist only reaffirms your prior beliefs; coming to the conclusion that you don't exist, as unlikely as you are to draw that conclusion, simply means that what you do has no purpose or reason. in the end, the result doesn't change.

 

TL;DR: I exist and if I'm wrong don't; it doesn't really make a difference.

 

Are you kidding? There is everything to be gained. Freedom from the delusion that has crippled humanity and been responsible for the majority of suffering in the world.

 

You don't "have" memories. There is no "you" to own the memories. There are simply memories that are seen when certain stimuli are perceived. What separation between entities? It's imaginary, we were all born into REALITY.

 

Imagine being born a baby, a blank slate.

 

Then the mind labels "you", and from then on, everything you do is coloured by this assumption that "you" are there. That is just another thought. You can feel this right now. Stop, look at the world. That feeling of being separate is the minds label. Does anything own that? Is it yours?

What makes you think that our collective experiences aren't good enough to be considered self? I have different experiences, memories than you do, therefore we are different and can be defined as separate. That separation between two similar entities means that there is something more dividing humanity than physical characteristics, which I believe is "self". The stimuli in my daily life has shaped me, into what I consider to be "me". I accept that who I am is a product of my environment, genetics, and thought. Because of this I can say that I exist, if only in the sense that I exist within my own idea of reality which may or not be inhabited by other extant beings. This of course assumes that what I perceive is "real" and even if it isn't, I understand it to be and know no of other reality.

 

In any case, there's truly nothing to be gained from examining this, coming to the conclusion that you exist only reaffirms your prior beliefs; coming to the conclusion that you don't exist, as unlikely as you are to draw that conclusion, simply means that what you do has no purpose or reason. in the end, the result doesn't change.

 

TL;DR: I exist and if I'm wrong don't; it doesn't really make a difference.

 

Are you kidding? There is everything to be gained. Freedom from the delusion that has crippled humanity and been responsible for the majority of suffering in the world.

 

You don't "have" memories. There is no "you" to own the memories. There are simply memories that are seen when certain stimuli are perceived. What separation between entities? It's imaginary, we were all born into REALITY.

 

Imagine being born a baby, a blank slate.

 

Then the mind labels "you", and from then on, everything you do is coloured by this assumption that "you" are there. That is just another thought. You can feel this right now. Stop, look at the world. That feeling of being separate is the minds label. Does anything own that? Is it yours?

 

I don't like your viewpoint. It sucks. And it's rather depressing while we're at it.

Have you ever considered Buddhism? I think you'd like it. If you take up the right type, you'd fit right in. They don't think of the self either.

There are plenty of us that have considered these things before and while they are enlightening, shoving them down someone's throat is not the way to get them to understand. You're only going to piss them off if the first thing you tell them is how wrong they are. It's in our nature to be defensive towards our beliefs because by nature we are all slightly egotistical. Plant the seed and let others discover it for themselves. It's more fun when you have an "Ah-ha!" moment on your own than if someone tells you what to believe :wink:

Oh my god you are so right, we are all sheeple and everyone in this thread is either ignoring or attacking you, you are so right!! CMON GUYS YOU NEED TO SEE THE TRUTH

 

So to get things straight:

 

You claim that you do not know what the truth is, and nobody does, yet it is right in front of our eyes. You believe this because something (probably watching Inception under various influences) caused you to doubt reality, or you read something on existentialism, or whatever. Now you think that you are the only one that sees that we are all inherently given clouded judgement as we grow through our life and become increasingly ignorant to the truth.

 

... I hope you realize this makes you sound like a lonely 15-year old. And your logic is so basic is reminds me of Plato... "IF ZERO DOES NOT EXIST, THEN SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT EXIST CANNOT EXIST, THEREFORE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ZERO SINCE IT CANNOT EXIST!"

 

You're also underestimating the subconscious. Very little of our brain is reserved for conscious action; most people live their lives on cruise-control, rarely making honest decisions. Perhaps this is what you mean by the 'truth'? Because it isn't exactly revolutionary, secretive, known-only-by-0.1%-of-people knowledge.

 

There is a real world. There is existence.

 

This isn't a belief any more than the colour blue is a belief. You're thinking in terms of belief, ideas, because that is how the mind works. It's obvious, to you this is all just one big yu-gi-oh competition where we compare our playing cards to see whos got the best, shiniest looking card.

 

Look at what I said, aren't you doing that? Aren't you trying to slot this into your pre-conceived maze of ideas, so you can feel better about it when you simply push it aside? You just want to feel good, you aren't even engaging with this. You don't even think that truth, COULD be possible. You've never even thought about it. Because you've been too busy going around like a hoover, picking up the best, most impressive ideas to save so you can use them later to feel good. Admit it, is that true?

 

You're playing with concepts, like a child plays with toys.

I don't think you ever have looked. I don't think 99.9% of people out there have truly looked. If they did we'd be living in a free world, because it really takes one honest look.

 

-Define "look". Is it connected to youragreeing with your own ideas? It is easy to say you are better for doing something you haven't explained what it is. Knowing the truth would equal to having all the knowledge of the world. Are you claimining to know everything?

 

I have realised something that most haven't. Does that make me better than you? No. Does that make me more honest than you? Yes.

 

Are you saying that honesty, or knowing the truth, does not actually make people better? Also, you seem to disagree with people that do things "to make themselves feel better", so I'm thinking that being honest doesn't make you feel better either. Then, what is the point of being honest?

 

I'm not asking you to believe me.

 

Right now, you're just thinking of typing something back aren't you. You haven't actually considered to look at what i'm saying. You just want to win.

 

You say that there are only 3 possible actions after reading your post. But you see, you are not asking me to believe you, so you are either asking me to stop posting, or keep arguing with you. Is this what is all about? You want people to argue with you? Do you feel the need for attention? Yes, I'm trying to beat you, that is the common thing to do when people dissagree. Not only to feel better about myself, but because it's annoying to see people who think they know everything.

This has no debate value for a simple reason, you are an arrogant person who's opinions must always be right.

 

This has no debate value for a multidude of reasons.

 

You can't debate truth.

 

You're too mired in your own illusion to see it working inside you, RIGHT NOW.

 

It isn't about me being right, or believing anything. Its about what is TRUE and REAL.

How many times do I have to say this, you've missed the point, yet again.

Look at how you're seeing your interpretation of me in your mind, look at how you're painting me with qualities, that you've just pulled out of your ass, to feel better about yourself.

 

I'm glad this isn't a debate, that would mean it to be a BATTLE OF IDEAS IN ORDER TO "WIN". What ultimate goal is there?! NONE. Just to win, to feel better about yourself. You don't care about truth, only your twisted image of what it represents.

 

You've dismissed everything here without even considering it, at all. Do you feel anything towards that?

 

And you, kind sir, are one those people who are so up their own arse they cannot come to realizations that their opinion maybe isn't right.

 

Also, please note that you contradicted yourself 3 times in that one paragraph. If I was to go back and look at how many more times you contradicted yourself I think we would find enough proof to dismiss this pointless debate argument.

 

Note, I don't exactly like arguing but pretentious people like yourself always give me a good laugh at twisted and demented ideals.

 

Practice what you preach.

 

THIS IS NOT AN OPINION. THIS IS NOT A BELIEF. Then what the [bleep] is this as it is far from the truth good sir?

 

I warned against seeing it that way in my FIRST post. Become civilized and give me a decent debate without resorting to caps to try and push across your dieing point.

 

You have failed to actually engage with any of the content, despite me telling you how your mind is going to actively make you avoid looking at this. Please, please don't ever tell me what I will and won't do. You are not me and you will never be me thankfully or I would personally shoot myself to save my friends a lot of pain.

 

You only care about winning. I'm starting to think this is a pointless argument, because you're simply refusing to actually look at what I'm saying. You'd rather be the moral one. Last time I checked the moral was not a winner

 

What's the point of a debate, for you? Answers, truth?

 

No, you care about winning. If you cared about truth, which is the whole point of any philosophy ultimately, you would have considered what I said, genuinely.

 

But no, you're just creating images of me in your mind, giving it characteristics, and then using that, like a chess piece in the story you call your life. Regardless of the truth.

 

 

Now, you're fundamental argument agaisnt me is that I only care about winning and thus are arrogant and not listening to your opinion. Well let's turn this around. For a good hour now you've been arguing with anybody who is not listening to your own point. To me that sounds like somebody who wants to win and get some self gratitude for once.

 

Let's try this suggestion, tomorrow you open that thing called a window. Take a deep breath of fresh air and then hopefully you will realize that there is more than one person in this world.

There are plenty of us that have considered these things before and while they are enlightening, shoving them down someone's throat is not the way to get them to understand. You're only going to piss them off if the first thing you tell them is how wrong they are. It's in our nature to be defensive towards our beliefs because by nature we are all slightly egotistical. Plant the seed and let others discover it for themselves. It's more fun when you have an "Ah-ha!" moment on your own than if someone tells you what to believe :wink:

 

All that would accomplish is creating another belief system.

 

At the moment, you're operating so subtly on this level of belief that you don't even realise it is what you're doing. You just call it something, then feel like you understand. You aren't actually asking yourself, what am I, what is this, and finding ANSWERS.

 

My friend dragged me through this and every step of the way my mind tricked me into dismissing it. By one of three ways, that I said in the first post. Every single one of you has done this.

 

Evasion.

 

Fighting.

 

Mating.

 

Don't believe me, is it true? Compare this to your own experience is what I'm saying here true?

Are you kidding? There is everything to be gained. Freedom from the delusion that has crippled humanity and been responsible for the majority of suffering in the world.

 

You don't "have" memories. There is no "you" to own the memories. There are simply memories that are seen when certain stimuli are perceived. What separation between entities? It's imaginary, we were all born into REALITY.

 

Again, you are claiming that there are no individuals? OR that we all one individual, a big hivemind? Then if there is no separation between entities, how would you know more than us? How would YOU be able to pass this so called truth to US?

Napalm, just accept what he is saying..

 

It's one of those people were you just have to nod your head at everything he says so he shuts up for 5 minutes.

 

God pity his poor friends.

This has no debate value for a simple reason, you are an arrogant person who's opinions must always be right.

 

This has no debate value for a multidude of reasons.

 

You can't debate truth.

 

You're too mired in your own illusion to see it working inside you, RIGHT NOW.

 

It isn't about me being right, or believing anything. Its about what is TRUE and REAL.

How many times do I have to say this, you've missed the point, yet again.

Look at how you're seeing your interpretation of me in your mind, look at how you're painting me with qualities, that you've just pulled out of your ass, to feel better about yourself.

 

I'm glad this isn't a debate, that would mean it to be a BATTLE OF IDEAS IN ORDER TO "WIN". What ultimate goal is there?! NONE. Just to win, to feel better about yourself. You don't care about truth, only your twisted image of what it represents.

 

You've dismissed everything here without even considering it, at all. Do you feel anything towards that?

 

And you, kind sir, are one those people who are so up their own arse they cannot come to realizations that their opinion maybe isn't right.

 

Also, please note that you contradicted yourself 3 times in that one paragraph. If I was to go back and look at how many more times you contradicted yourself I think we would find enough proof to dismiss this pointless debate argument.

 

Note, I don't exactly like arguing but pretentious people like yourself always give me a good laugh at twisted and demented ideals.

 

Practice what you preach.

 

THIS IS NOT AN OPINION. THIS IS NOT A BELIEF. Then what the [bleep] is this as it is far from the truth good sir?

 

I warned against seeing it that way in my FIRST post. Become civilized and give me a decent debate without resorting to caps to try and push across your dieing point.

 

You have failed to actually engage with any of the content, despite me telling you how your mind is going to actively make you avoid looking at this. Please, please don't ever tell me what I will and won't do. You are not me and you will never be me thankfully or I would personally shoot myself to save my friends a lot of pain.

 

You only care about winning. I'm starting to think this is a pointless argument, because you're simply refusing to actually look at what I'm saying. You'd rather be the moral one. Last time I checked the moral was not a winner

 

What's the point of a debate, for you? Answers, truth?

 

No, you care about winning. If you cared about truth, which is the whole point of any philosophy ultimately, you would have considered what I said, genuinely.

 

But no, you're just creating images of me in your mind, giving it characteristics, and then using that, like a chess piece in the story you call your life. Regardless of the truth.

 

 

Now, you're fundamental argument agaisnt me is that I only care about winning and thus are arrogant and not listening to your opinion. Well let's turn this around. For a good hour now you've been arguing with anybody who is not listening to your own point. To me that sounds like somebody who wants to win and get some self gratitude for once.

 

Let's try this suggestion, tomorrow you open that thing called a window. Take a deep breath of fresh air and then hopefully you will realize that there is more than one person in this world.

 

Fundamental argument? This isn't an ARGUMENT. That is your problem, you're seeing this as something to win. You've even acknowledged that, but you've not looked AT ALL AT YOUR OWN MIND. This post was for ONE reason, to get you to look at truth.

 

The difference between us is that, reality happens to be on my side. You're still trying to win! HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT? Look at your ideas, look at your thoughts! Look at how, since I've been here, you've not cared at all about what I've said. You have ONLY cared about your own ideas, true or not. You're doing it RIGHT NOW. Can you not see? When you reply, look at what you're typing. What are you arguing against, in your mind? What are you actually doing?

 

This isn't about me. I predicted the behaviour of ideas, so that hopefully for someone who considered what I said, they would see in the mechanisms of THEIR MIND, the exact processes I was detailing. Take a look, it is RIGHT THERE.

 

RIGHT NOW. You're trying to beat me. Why? WHY

Do I exist? Whateverr, I do like pancakes

Don't believe me, is it true? Compare this to your own experience is what I'm saying here true?

Umm... Nope.

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This has no debate value for a simple reason, you are an arrogant person who's opinions must always be right.

 

This has no debate value for a multidude of reasons.

 

You can't debate truth.

 

You're too mired in your own illusion to see it working inside you, RIGHT NOW.

 

It isn't about me being right, or believing anything. Its about what is TRUE and REAL.

How many times do I have to say this, you've missed the point, yet again.

Look at how you're seeing your interpretation of me in your mind, look at how you're painting me with qualities, that you've just pulled out of your ass, to feel better about yourself.

 

I'm glad this isn't a debate, that would mean it to be a BATTLE OF IDEAS IN ORDER TO "WIN". What ultimate goal is there?! NONE. Just to win, to feel better about yourself. You don't care about truth, only your twisted image of what it represents.

 

You've dismissed everything here without even considering it, at all. Do you feel anything towards that?

 

And you, kind sir, are one those people who are so up their own arse they cannot come to realizations that their opinion maybe isn't right.

 

Also, please note that you contradicted yourself 3 times in that one paragraph. If I was to go back and look at how many more times you contradicted yourself I think we would find enough proof to dismiss this pointless debate argument.

 

Note, I don't exactly like arguing but pretentious people like yourself always give me a good laugh at twisted and demented ideals.

 

Practice what you preach.

 

THIS IS NOT AN OPINION. THIS IS NOT A BELIEF. Then what the [bleep] is this as it is far from the truth good sir?

 

I warned against seeing it that way in my FIRST post. Become civilized and give me a decent debate without resorting to caps to try and push across your dieing point.

 

You have failed to actually engage with any of the content, despite me telling you how your mind is going to actively make you avoid looking at this. Please, please don't ever tell me what I will and won't do. You are not me and you will never be me thankfully or I would personally shoot myself to save my friends a lot of pain.

 

You only care about winning. I'm starting to think this is a pointless argument, because you're simply refusing to actually look at what I'm saying. You'd rather be the moral one. Last time I checked the moral was not a winner

 

What's the point of a debate, for you? Answers, truth?

 

No, you care about winning. If you cared about truth, which is the whole point of any philosophy ultimately, you would have considered what I said, genuinely.

 

But no, you're just creating images of me in your mind, giving it characteristics, and then using that, like a chess piece in the story you call your life. Regardless of the truth.

 

 

Now, you're fundamental argument agaisnt me is that I only care about winning and thus are arrogant and not listening to your opinion. Well let's turn this around. For a good hour now you've been arguing with anybody who is not listening to your own point. To me that sounds like somebody who wants to win and get some self gratitude for once.

 

Let's try this suggestion, tomorrow you open that thing called a window. Take a deep breath of fresh air and then hopefully you will realize that there is more than one person in this world.

 

Fundamental argument? This isn't an ARGUMENT. That is your problem, you're seeing this as something to win. You've even acknowledged that, but you've not looked AT ALL AT YOUR OWN MIND. This post was for ONE reason, to get you to look at truth.

 

The difference between us is that, reality happens to be on my side. You're still trying to win! HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT? Look at your ideas, look at your thoughts! Look at how, since I've been here, you've not cared at all about what I've said. You have ONLY cared about your own ideas, true or not. You're doing it RIGHT NOW. Can you not see? When you reply, look at what you're typing. What are you arguing against, in your mind? What are you actually doing?

 

This isn't about me. I predicted the behaviour of ideas, so that hopefully for someone who considered what I said, they would see in the mechanisms of THEIR MIND, the exact processes I was detailing. Take a look, it is RIGHT THERE.

 

RIGHT NOW. You're trying to beat me. Why? WHY

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OH LOOK I'M A 5 YEAR OLD LETS SPAM THE BLOODY CAPS LOCK KEY BECAUSE I CAN'T ARGUE WITHOUT IT.

 

Btw, small thing. Your copying everything I say and just turning it around.

First thanks for replying to my questions above.

Then the mind labels "you", and from then on, everything you do is coloured by this assumption that "you" are there. That is just another thought. You can feel this right now. Stop, look at the world. That feeling of being separate is the minds label. Does anything own that? Is it yours?

But what other assumption do we work from? That I am not me? I am not here? It isn't me looking through the eyes, I am not the person who is sitting on this computer chair and has a laptop on his lap?

 

 

 

A question.

What makes what you say is true? I am sure there are people out there in the world who says they are the saviour of the world that they have been contacted by 'God' or something. Who says what they say is any less true than what you say?

Are you kidding? There is everything to be gained. Freedom from the delusion that has crippled humanity and been responsible for the majority of suffering in the world.

 

You don't "have" memories. There is no "you" to own the memories. There are simply memories that are seen when certain stimuli are perceived. What separation between entities? It's imaginary, we were all born into REALITY.

 

Again, you are claiming that there are no individuals? OR that we all one individual, a big hivemind? Then if there is no separation between entities, how would you know more than us? How would YOU be able to pass this so called truth to US?

 

There are bodies, there are brains.

 

But there is no SELF CONCEPT. It exists, in the sense that it is in reality, but it doesn't refer to anything. The notion of a "you", is ridiculous, when you actually look. Forget all this oneness stuff, just look at reality. What I mean by look is, not think, analyse, logic. But look at what you're doing. And if that is all you're doing. Then look at that. And keep going, until you find the core of this whole thing.

 

That you are a part of reality and inseparable from it. You do not create or control your thoughts. You never existed, at any point. Thoughts existed, feelings existed, emotions existed, but not YOU. It isn't real.

 

Is it true?

 

Look for yourself. I know you don't want to.

 

What im saying here, compare it to your own experience, is it true or not?

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This has no debate value for a simple reason, you are an arrogant person who's opinions must always be right.

 

This has no debate value for a multidude of reasons.

 

You can't debate truth.

 

You're too mired in your own illusion to see it working inside you, RIGHT NOW.

 

It isn't about me being right, or believing anything. Its about what is TRUE and REAL.

How many times do I have to say this, you've missed the point, yet again.

Look at how you're seeing your interpretation of me in your mind, look at how you're painting me with qualities, that you've just pulled out of your ass, to feel better about yourself.

 

I'm glad this isn't a debate, that would mean it to be a BATTLE OF IDEAS IN ORDER TO "WIN". What ultimate goal is there?! NONE. Just to win, to feel better about yourself. You don't care about truth, only your twisted image of what it represents.

 

You've dismissed everything here without even considering it, at all. Do you feel anything towards that?

 

And you, kind sir, are one those people who are so up their own arse they cannot come to realizations that their opinion maybe isn't right.

 

Also, please note that you contradicted yourself 3 times in that one paragraph. If I was to go back and look at how many more times you contradicted yourself I think we would find enough proof to dismiss this pointless debate argument.

 

Note, I don't exactly like arguing but pretentious people like yourself always give me a good laugh at twisted and demented ideals.

 

Practice what you preach.

 

THIS IS NOT AN OPINION. THIS IS NOT A BELIEF. Then what the [bleep] is this as it is far from the truth good sir?

 

I warned against seeing it that way in my FIRST post. Become civilized and give me a decent debate without resorting to caps to try and push across your dieing point.

 

You have failed to actually engage with any of the content, despite me telling you how your mind is going to actively make you avoid looking at this. Please, please don't ever tell me what I will and won't do. You are not me and you will never be me thankfully or I would personally shoot myself to save my friends a lot of pain.

 

You only care about winning. I'm starting to think this is a pointless argument, because you're simply refusing to actually look at what I'm saying. You'd rather be the moral one. Last time I checked the moral was not a winner

 

What's the point of a debate, for you? Answers, truth?

 

No, you care about winning. If you cared about truth, which is the whole point of any philosophy ultimately, you would have considered what I said, genuinely.

 

But no, you're just creating images of me in your mind, giving it characteristics, and then using that, like a chess piece in the story you call your life. Regardless of the truth.

 

 

Now, you're fundamental argument agaisnt me is that I only care about winning and thus are arrogant and not listening to your opinion. Well let's turn this around. For a good hour now you've been arguing with anybody who is not listening to your own point. To me that sounds like somebody who wants to win and get some self gratitude for once.

 

Let's try this suggestion, tomorrow you open that thing called a window. Take a deep breath of fresh air and then hopefully you will realize that there is more than one person in this world.

 

Fundamental argument? This isn't an ARGUMENT. That is your problem, you're seeing this as something to win. You've even acknowledged that, but you've not looked AT ALL AT YOUR OWN MIND. This post was for ONE reason, to get you to look at truth.

 

The difference between us is that, reality happens to be on my side. You're still trying to win! HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT? Look at your ideas, look at your thoughts! Look at how, since I've been here, you've not cared at all about what I've said. You have ONLY cared about your own ideas, true or not. You're doing it RIGHT NOW. Can you not see? When you reply, look at what you're typing. What are you arguing against, in your mind? What are you actually doing?

 

This isn't about me. I predicted the behaviour of ideas, so that hopefully for someone who considered what I said, they would see in the mechanisms of THEIR MIND, the exact processes I was detailing. Take a look, it is RIGHT THERE.

 

RIGHT NOW. You're trying to beat me. Why? WHY

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OH LOOK I'M A 5 YEAR OLD LETS SPAM THE BLOODY CAPS LOCK KEY BECAUSE I CAN'T ARGUE WITHOUT IT.

 

Btw, small thing. Your copying everything I say and just turning it around.

 

Funny.

 

Did you stop to consider what I said?

 

Or just dismiss it, without even noticing the constant thought you call "yourself"?

I DEMAND TO BE RECOGNIZED!