Time to upgrade?

[SirIzenhime]

qeltar proved that no ring > warrior > berserker

 

so everyone should not use rings!

 

Either this place if full of more idiots then I realized, or you just don't understand what random means in the term random number generator generating random numbers randomly.

 

I just got 5 effigies from steel dragons in about 10 kills.

Does that means that they have a 1/2 drop rate for effigies?

Obviously... they do because I got five effigies in ten kills.

 

I can't tell if you're calling bladewing stupid for "believing qeltar"....or if you're calling him stupid for saying to use a berserker ring....

Either way...you're stupid.

[LitterBug]

qeltar proved that no ring > warrior > berserker

 

so everyone should not use rings!

 

Either this place if full of more idiots then I realized, or you just don't understand what random means in the term random number generator generating random numbers randomly.

 

I just got 5 effigies from steel dragons in about 10 kills.

Does that means that they have a 1/2 drop rate for effigies?

Obviously... they do because I got five effigies in ten kills.

 

I can't tell if you're calling bladewing stupid for "believing qeltar"....or if you're calling him stupid for saying to use a berserker ring....

Either way...you're stupid.

 

Just sounds like somebody who decided to read one post in the whole thread :/

[Miller7204]

I most likely won't spend the time to imbue it so that part won't matter to me :mellow:

[Th e Doctor]

@wkw seriously? Calling people idiots when you're wrong is not the way to go. Accuracy always has diminishing returns (you can't get more than 100% accurate) so if you stack accuracy you only benefit yourself to a point.

 

For most monsters you fight for slayer you're already more than ~70% accurate at which point strength is much more beneficial than accuracy.

 

@litterbug don't spam. Sir knows his stuff and doesn't post without reading first. +1 for your post count. -1 for your intelligent posts.

[green9090]

Accuracy can never be better than an equal strength bonus at any point. Against a target of infinite defense, 1 attack would be equal to 1 strength bonus, and that's as good as it gets for accuracy. Accuracy diminishes, strength doesn't, /thread.

[SirIzenhime]

 

@litterbug don't spam. Sir knows his stuff and doesn't post without reading first. +1 for your post count. -1 for your intelligent posts.

 

I think litter was talking about wkw, and quoting me to agree/add to my post.

[JacTise69]

 

@litterbug don't spam. Sir knows his stuff and doesn't post without reading first. +1 for your post count. -1 for your intelligent posts.

 

I think litter was talking about wkw, and quoting me to agree/add to my post.

 

In that case my apologies.

[Hedgehog]

Tbh just use a fero.

[Bladewing]

obviously you use fero when in kuradal's

 

obviously you don't use fero when not in kuradal's

[Hedgehog]

I use a fero on every task. I 2 hit most tasks anyway, so the extra strength doesn't really do much. Its also a lot less annoying than switching rings and having to put up with that fairy ring bull [cabbage].

 

But ya.

 

tbh this was a waste of a post. op should ignore me.

[green9090]

op should ignore me.

+1

[Miller7204]

obviously you use fero when in kuradal's

 

obviously you don't use fero when not in kuradal's

Correct :thumbup:

[That_Brown_Kid]

ignore efficiency freaks.

 

use whatever you think is coolest. :shades:

[Bladewing]

ignore efficiency freaks.

 

use whatever you think is coolest. :shades:

how helpful of you - OP asks which is better and you answer with "use which is coolest"

[green9090]

ignore efficiency freaks.

 

use whatever you think is coolest. :shades:

You're going to choose to do less damage in exchange for having a "cool" ring that nobody besides you can even see that you're wearing?

 

Best be trollin'

[Dragonlordjl]

Pro slayers use a ring of stone. Monsters be stubbing they toes on you and [cabbage].

[LitterBug]

@wkw seriously? Calling people idiots when you're wrong is not the way to go. Accuracy always has diminishing returns (you can't get more than 100% accurate) so if you stack accuracy you only benefit yourself to a point.

 

For most monsters you fight for slayer you're already more than ~70% accurate at which point strength is much more beneficial than accuracy.

 

@litterbug don't spam. Sir knows his stuff and doesn't post without reading first. +1 for your post count. -1 for your intelligent posts.

 

Uhh..

a.) I don't think you know what diminishing returns is - you're referring to the efficiency of it.

If you actually were talking about accuracy, then that was a moot point because strength is also acts with diminishing returns. In fact, most skills (if not all) have diminishing return applied to it.

 

b.) I obviously wasn't calling sir a spammer - i was referring to wkw. If you couldn't draw the connection between their post and what I was saying - there's something wrong there.

 

+1 for your post count / -10 for trying to correct other people when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

[green9090]

strength is also acts with diminishing returns.

Oh no it is not acts with diminishing returns.

 

Strength bonus is added directly. Add X strength bonus, receive +Y max hit. It does not diminish- adding a certain amount of strength will ALWAYS add the same amount to your max hit (and thus average hit).

 

Accuracy is diminishing. If you're only hitting 10% of the time and add 10000 to your accuracy, you'll probably go from hitting 10% of the time to hitting 98% of the time, which is a huge difference. If you are hitting 98% of the time and add another 10000 to your accuracy, you might move up to 99%, and would probably have been better off with 10 str bonus. Your accuracy can never reach 100% and is really hard to get over ~85%, so pretty quickly accuracy bonus becomes worthless compared to even a small strength bonus.

[LitterBug]

^ My bad - I just re-read the game mechanics guide and I realized I misread it before. I originally thought that your max hit/accuracy rolls weren't based on a uniform distribution but rather a normal one that doesn't exactly scale uniformly with your values calculated from your items + level.

 

After reading that thread, it seems to me that your max attack value (for the accuracy of the hit) is calculated based on both your item bonus + your effective level.

Then you get a random "roll" from 0 - your max attack value (with the probabilty density being uniform) and it is compared to your opponent's max defense value which I understand works in a similar fashion.

Wouldn't you be better off getting your attack value higher to a certain extent? I'm not sure on how they calculate the exact number for your max attack value/your opponents max defense value but if it's some sort of uniform scaling - it sounds like to a pretty high extent, getting attack is a lot better then getting strength. Since if you multiply the bonuses, your max attack value would be getting bigger at a really high rate while your max damage value while receiving a uniform increase in value (as you said +x strength correlates to a +y in damage) and this increases purely at a linear rate.

[Aiel]

^ My bad - I just re-read the game mechanics guide and I realized I misread it before. I originally thought that your max hit/accuracy rolls weren't based on a uniform distribution but rather a normal one that doesn't exactly scale uniformly with your values calculated from your items + level.

 

After reading that thread, it seems to me that your max attack value (for the accuracy of the hit) is calculated based on both your item bonus + your effective level.

Then you get a random "roll" from 0 - your max attack value (with the probabilty density being uniform) and it is compared to your opponent's max defense value which I understand works in a similar fashion.

Wouldn't you be better off getting your attack value higher to a certain extent? I'm not sure on how they calculate the exact number for your max attack value/your opponents max defense value but if it's some sort of uniform scaling - it sounds like to a pretty high extent, getting attack is a lot better then getting strength. Since if you multiply the bonuses, your max attack value would be getting bigger at a really high rate while your max damage value while receiving a uniform increase in value (as you said +x strength correlates to a +y in damage) and this increases purely at a linear rate.

No. the lim as attack bonuses goes to infinity is 100% accuracy, the lim as strength bonus goes to infinity is infinity, therefore unless you have a very low accuracy (corp, nex, zil) strength bonus is ALWAYS better then a comparable amount of accuracy bonuses.

[green9090]

^ My bad - I just re-read the game mechanics guide and I realized I misread it before. I originally thought that your max hit/accuracy rolls weren't based on a uniform distribution but rather a normal one that doesn't exactly scale uniformly with your values calculated from your items + level.

 

After reading that thread, it seems to me that your max attack value (for the accuracy of the hit) is calculated based on both your item bonus + your effective level.

Then you get a random "roll" from 0 - your max attack value (with the probabilty density being uniform) and it is compared to your opponent's max defense value which I understand works in a similar fashion.

Wouldn't you be better off getting your attack value higher to a certain extent? I'm not sure on how they calculate the exact number for your max attack value/your opponents max defense value but if it's some sort of uniform scaling - it sounds like to a pretty high extent, getting attack is a lot better then getting strength. Since if you multiply the bonuses, your max attack value would be getting bigger at a really high rate while your max damage value while receiving a uniform increase in value (as you said +x strength correlates to a +y in damage) and this increases purely at a linear rate.

That would be true except that the theoretical maximum DPS increase an attack bonus could give is equal to the actual DPS increase strength gives. That is to say, at 0 attack bonus fighting an opponent of infinite defense (absolutely ideal conditions for accuracy and worst for strength), a +1 attack boost would do the same for your DPS as a +1 strength boost. As opponent defense goes down or the player's attack bonus goes up, accuracy gets worse compared to strength. So, against any real opponent, str will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS beat attack, assuming equal bonuses.

 

Of course, this means that against opponents with very (VERY) high defense, it could conceivably be better to use, say, ardougne cloak vs. fire cape for the +6 attack vs. +4 strength, +1 attack. But that's it as far as using accuracy bonuses instead of strength bonuses.

[Dragonlordjl]

CLS > Rapier because it's bigger and looks cooler.

 

Owait. I am compensating for something...

[Th e Doctor]

@wkw seriously? Calling people idiots when you're wrong is not the way to go. Accuracy always has diminishing returns (you can't get more than 100% accurate) so if you stack accuracy you only benefit yourself to a point.

 

For most monsters you fight for slayer you're already more than ~70% accurate at which point strength is much more beneficial than accuracy.

 

@litterbug don't spam. Sir knows his stuff and doesn't post without reading first. +1 for your post count. -1 for your intelligent posts.

 

Uhh..

a.) I don't think you know what diminishing returns is - you're referring to the efficiency of it.

If you actually were talking about accuracy, then that was a moot point because strength is also acts with diminishing returns. In fact, most skills (if not all) have diminishing return applied to it.

 

b.) I obviously wasn't calling sir a spammer - i was referring to wkw. If you couldn't draw the connection between their post and what I was saying - there's something wrong there.

 

+1 for your post count / -10 for trying to correct other people when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

 

A. You already admitted to being incorrect on.

 

B. I already apologized for.

 

To your last point, I do know what Im talking about so i just get to keep the +1 to my post count. Gf.

[Quyneax]

Interestingly there is a point where attack > strength, and this is when fighting a target of unimaginable defence that has only 1 constitution. A defence pure would be the closest approximation of this you are likely to find in actual play. However no defence pure has health low enough to allow one-hitting very much, so that case is not yet extreme enough.

[green9090]

Interestingly there is a point where attack > strength, and this is when fighting a target of unimaginable defence that has only 1 constitution. A defence pure would be the closest approximation of this you are likely to find in actual play. However no defence pure has health low enough to allow one-hitting very much, so that case is not yet extreme enough.

True. Not really a problem yet, but if we ever do get some sort of rock lice or something with insanely high def and 10hp, it's all about the accuracy bonuses.