brad1431 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Is it 1 bar for 4 cannonballs, or does the mould just look like that? Is this profitable? but more importantly, how long would it take to make let's say 5K cannonballs? I know it would be slow exp wise but how slow timewise is it? I dont mind the slow exp, cause I would be making them to save money instead of buying them, I am not concerned with smith exp, can I afk making them? Would I save enough money for this to be worth it? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodAngel Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Yes it's 1 bar for 4 cannonballs and it takes around 3 minutes to go through an inventory of bars as far as I can remember (you can do the math from there :P). Really they're not worth making for personal use, you're better off buying them and there are better ways of making money for instance getting 85 Dungeoneering and killing Frost Dragons. "Unfortunately, the real world isn't the same as a fairy tale." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad1431 Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 I am not doing it to make money, I would be doing it to save money, and I dont have 85 dging and even if I did frosts are overrun by bots anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad1431 Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 and if it is afkable who cares who much money is is per hour, in profit or savings, it wont matter, I will be busy watching a movie or doing something else, while this happens. It isnt all about RS efficiency, if I can do something in RS while doing something else in RL, that is real efficiency. Like farming, that is really efficient cause while I can do 2 farm runs in about 100 minutes, I can also spend the other 90 minutes doing something in RL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th e Doctor Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 You don't save money making your own. You lose money as you could easily make enough money to pay for your cannonballs and use them all in half the time it would have taken just to make them yourself. Armadyl Drops : 4 Hilts; 3 Chestplates; 2 Chainskirts; 1 Helmet; 1 Buckler; 2 Shard 1; 2 Shard 2; 1 Shard 3Nex : 1 Zaryte BowKalphite King : 1 Drygore Rapier ; 1 Drygore Longsword : 1 Drygore Offhand Rapier : 1 Drygore Offhand Longsword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpx Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I am not doing it to make money, I would be doing it to save money, and I dont have 85 dging and even if I did frosts are overrun by bots anyway.It would only save money if you value your time at nothing(ie, are botting). Otherwise you'd be better off buying the cannonballs and using a decent moneymaker to make the money back, thus saving time and money. First to 99 Farming on 27. September, 2005.First to 3766 Port Score on 20. March, 2014.First to 4664 Port Score on 2. March, 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad1431 Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 yes it would be the very definition of saving money, it is cost $1M to buy X amount of Cballs vs $200K to buy the steel bars, then I would be saving 800K. That is very basic math, this isnt super uber efficiency class, where you only do your maximum profit per hour skill/activity and buy everything else with that money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Range_This11 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I used to do the same thing as you--pop in a movie and AFK Smithing either with Cannonballs or Gold Bars. If I remember correctly, the XP is about 12,500k/hr. Not the greatest, but like you said, very AFK-able. "He could climb to it, if he climbed alone, and once there he could suck on the pap of life, gulp down the incomparable milk of wonder." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad1431 Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 nice try, I am the last person to ever think of botting, I am not some kid who wants to show off some arbitrary RS achievement to his little high school friends.... I didnt even ever use a cannon before last night because I think it is almost cheating, to have something other then my character killing things for me. and AFKing is the highest profit in the game, because in terms of real life, not just the RS world, I can do something in RL, while sacrificing minimal time in RS for any profit, therefore Any profit divided by little to no time in RS = infinite profit..... But of course the super uber efficiency gods of RS who nolife and camp frosts, or whatever is the hot moneymaker will disagree, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad1431 Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 I used to do the same thing as you--pop in a movie and AFK Smithing either with Cannonballs or Gold Bars. If I remember correctly, the XP is about 12,500k/hr. Not the greatest, but like you said, very AFK-able. Exactly, anything that is AFK able or something like farming, where I can plant my herbs, go accomplish something in RL, and come back in 90 minutes, and have be herbs already grown or MTK, those are the best profit, cause it is efficent in RL, which is what is important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjjon123 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Making your own cannon balls atm is only 162k/hr. :mellow: cutting YEWS makes more money then that... 1,000 F2P Total Level Reached 10/8/10 ! [hide=Guides]Magic & Summoning Profit Spreadsheets! *UPDATES EVERY HOUR* (includes: High alch, Superheat, and Enchanting)4 BETTER alternatives to flesh crawlers[/hide] WOT WOT! ☉.☉☂ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpx Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Making your own cannon balls atm is only 162k/hr. :mellow: cutting YEWS makes more money then that...Don't bother, this guy is a rock and doesn't seem to listen to sound advice, and his original question has been answered anyway. If he wants to ''save money'', let the guy do it. First to 99 Farming on 27. September, 2005.First to 3766 Port Score on 20. March, 2014.First to 4664 Port Score on 2. March, 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad1431 Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 Making your own cannon balls atm is only 162k/hr. :mellow: cutting YEWS makes more money then that... but how much effort is required? cutting yews is click intensive, I dont see this as being so. But that is really low either way, It must be really slow to smith them. I dont get why they are so slow, with a tort, I can make 180 cballs per trip, so I only need like 30 trips for 5K cballs, do cballs smith slower then gold ore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Range_This11 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Their advice is sound and you would save more money and time following it, but if you're dead set on making cannonballs, more power to you. "He could climb to it, if he climbed alone, and once there he could suck on the pap of life, gulp down the incomparable milk of wonder." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtaurian Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Hi, efficiency god/clown here. Making your own cannonballs is extremely inefficient, as most of the things you'd use a cannon on will give you greater returns than what you spent on using it, whether through pure profit (spectres) or time saved (dags, velds). If it's AFKability that you want, cutting yews or fishing sharks and spending the money on cannonballs would be more efficient (but still not very efficient). Or if you REALLY wanted to be efficient and make a LOT more money, you could make unfinished potions, which is pretty damn AFKable. Basically, making your own cannonballs does not save money, which I assume is your goal. To put it bluntly, [bleep] off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th e Doctor Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 For the love of God drop the hostile attitude. No one told you not to smith your [bleep]ing cannonballs, we said its not saving you money. Its not this complicated efficiency formula, its basic [bleep]ing opportunity cost. If you're set on smithing your own cannonballs why even ask if you should, and since you don't care about exp or profit why post at all? God kids these days... Armadyl Drops : 4 Hilts; 3 Chestplates; 2 Chainskirts; 1 Helmet; 1 Buckler; 2 Shard 1; 2 Shard 2; 1 Shard 3Nex : 1 Zaryte BowKalphite King : 1 Drygore Rapier ; 1 Drygore Longsword : 1 Drygore Offhand Rapier : 1 Drygore Offhand Longsword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad1431 Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 I am not "dead set" on making them, but I also think that this board is overrun by these efficiency experts that think the only thing that matters is profit per hour, and all you should do is that and use that money on something else, how boring would this game be if all you did was that? I like to be mostly self sufficient, if I need dragon bones, I go kill dragons, if I want range I go range fire giants. I like to do things that logically make sense. If I need to up firemaking, I go chop trees and burn the logs. This game isnt about maximizing efficiency and showing off arbitrary achievements like 99FMing or 99 flecth... It is about having fun...and half of the answers I get on this board go off topic and lead to go kill frosts..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th e Doctor Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I am not "dead set" on making them, but I also think that this board is overrun by these efficiency experts that think the only thing that matters is profit per hour, and all you should do is that and use that money on something else, how boring would this game be if all you did was that? I like to be mostly self sufficient, if I need dragon bones, I go kill dragons, if I want range I go range fire giants. I like to do things that logically make sense. If I need to up firemaking, I go chop trees and burn the logs. This game isnt about maximizing efficiency and showing off arbitrary achievements like 99FMing or 99 flecth... It is about having fun...and half of the answers I get on this board go off topic and lead to go kill frosts..... some of us find being efficient fun. but you can't quantify fun so stop asking for advice and go do what makes you happy. Armadyl Drops : 4 Hilts; 3 Chestplates; 2 Chainskirts; 1 Helmet; 1 Buckler; 2 Shard 1; 2 Shard 2; 1 Shard 3Nex : 1 Zaryte BowKalphite King : 1 Drygore Rapier ; 1 Drygore Longsword : 1 Drygore Offhand Rapier : 1 Drygore Offhand Longsword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad1431 Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 For the love of God drop the hostile attitude. No one told you not to smith your [bleep]ing cannonballs, we said its not saving you money. Its not this complicated efficiency formula, its basic [bleep]ing opportunity cost. If you're set on smithing your own cannonballs why even ask if you should, and since you don't care about exp or profit why post at all? God kids these days...Actually I am an adult, nice try, and if it is about opportunity cost, then nobody should ever play RS because instead of spending your time playing a game that puts ZERO $$$ in your pocket you would be better of working at McDonalds for $5 an hour, since that is more efficient then playing RS. We play RS for fun, not for efficiency. So unless you are playing RS to get gold to RWT which is illegal, then playing the game of RS is not efficient in life, and has a terrible opportunity cost, since it takes up time and makes ZERO profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtaurian Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Would I save enough money for this to be worth it? Quoted from your original post. You asked a question of efficiency. You got your answer. Do not ask such questions if you do not want answers. To put it bluntly, [bleep] off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpx Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I am not "dead set" on making them, but I also think that this board is overrun by these efficiency experts that think the only thing that matters is profit per hour, and all you should do is that and use that money on something else, how boring would this game be if all you did was that? I like to be mostly self sufficient, if I need dragon bones, I go kill dragons, if I want range I go range fire giants. I like to do things that logically make sense. If I need to up firemaking, I go chop trees and burn the logs. This game isnt about maximizing efficiency and showing off arbitrary achievements like 99FMing or 99 flecth... It is about having fun...and half of the answers I get on this board go off topic and lead to go kill frosts.....Well, what you basically learn from this thread is that if you can make over 280k an hour, you'd be better off making the money and smithing addy plates/buying cannonballs. That is not to say you should not do cannonballs, but to point out that it's a louzy method, which is a fact. As for moneymaking, even killing edgeville men is said to be over 300k an hour, and if you consider that you are level 95 slayer and basically maxed melee, most slayer monsters would make MUCH more than 280k an hour. If it's afk moneymaking you want, why not consider dark beasts, where you can basically afk for years, much moreso than cannonballs, hell, even frost dragons with cannon+ range with auto retal on would be much more than 2m an hour. It's just silly that you wouldn't consider any of this and have no understanding of opportunity cost when it comes to the game, fun or no fun. First to 99 Farming on 27. September, 2005.First to 3766 Port Score on 20. March, 2014.First to 4664 Port Score on 2. March, 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad1431 Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 I have a very high understanding of opportunity cost, I am halfway done with my MBA, but you CANNOT think of opportunity cost or efficiency and only consider that in the bubble of RS. So it may be the most efficient thing to do WHILE you are in the game, but that is incorrect, because you are mising half of the equation, which is RL. The most efficient thing would be something that happens in the game even when I am not playing it. You have to consider your non RS time in the equation, which most people dont. If I am Afking, I am accomplishing something in RS AND in RL, that is true efficiency, not just maximizing one half of the equation. Most are failing to factoring in the RL efficiency. If I am 100% dedicated to RS, I might be efficiently accomplishing a RS task, but I am 0% efficient at some RL task, that does have an actual opportunity cost, not a ficticious RS opportunity cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Range_This11 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Why are you arguing? The much more efficient thing to do would be to go smith your cannonballs. :mrgreen: "He could climb to it, if he climbed alone, and once there he could suck on the pap of life, gulp down the incomparable milk of wonder." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wkw Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Cannonballs aren't good for money.. If you can make 1m by killing green dragons in one hour, then you would need to make cannonballs super fast. As long as you can make more money/hr then you can save with cannonballs/hr, making money and buying MORE cannonballs then you'd of made in that time saves not money, but TIME, which = money Runescape player since 2005 Ego Sum Deus Quo Malum Caligo et Barathum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eee Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Brad is just trolling. It's pretty obvious based on his past topics and unprovoked rants against efficiency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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