New Auras

[tigershelby2]

I know it might be too early, but I have a few questions.

 

Is the aura that kills enemies faster worth it? Does it activate by itself once you start it? how much faster would it kill the monsters?

 

The jack of trades one, it seems to be quite useful just judging by its cost. If one had to guess, how much bonus xp would be gained? And how would said xp be gained?

 

I just reread the list, and he ranged one caught my interest. Is 3% accuracy that much in the long term? It really only seems useful for high defense monsters and bosses.

 

I know its way early to be asking this, but I dont want to miss out on the discounted items.

[Grimy_Bunyip]

I know it might be too early, but I have a few questions.

 

Is the aura that kills enemies faster worth it? Does it activate by itself once you start it? how much faster would it kill the monsters?

 

The jack of trades one, it seems to be quite useful just judging by its cost. If one had to guess, how much bonus xp would be gained? And how would said xp be gained?

 

I just reread the list, and he ranged one caught my interest. Is 3% accuracy that much in the long term? It really only seems useful for high defense monsters and bosses.

 

I know its way early to be asking this, but I dont want to miss out on the discounted items.

the exact dps increase of KO aura can be calculated with a markov matrix.

 

But these calculations require a tremendous amount of computational power to do.

More than enough to crash google doc if you try to use it on a monster with more than 100 life points.

But if your provide 1 situation with X amount of lifepoints and and a max hit of Y

my computer should be able to crank out a solution after ~10 minutes?, scaling drastically with the # of life points of the monster.

Might be worth it to get a rule of thumb on the KO aura.

 

3% accuracy will result in ~3% increase in DPS @ 50% accuracy or lower

it will result in 3/4 = 0.75% increase in dps @ 75% accuracy or lower.

 

every time you halve the # of times you will miss

the relative DPS benefit of a % accuracy increase, will reduce by approximately a quarter.

[tigershelby2]

Ummm...not gonna lie, you totally lost me in most of that. I got most of the range part, but Ive never even heard of a Markov Matrix. Simple highschool trig is the best math Ive done. I dont have a specific monster in mind to be killing with it, more of just for slayer.

[Nifflin]

Take the average max hit on a slayer task and the average lp of a slayer monster on an optimized tasklist to find out how much it improves your DPS on average. Right?

[tigershelby2]

Take the average max hit on a slayer task and the average lp of a slayer monster on an optimized tasklist to find out how much it improves your DPS on average. Right?

If you want those numbers, then someone else will have to give them. I dont keep track of my hits, and my task list is hit and miss. I do what I feel like doing, or else I just skip it.

[Grimy_Bunyip]

Ummm...not gonna lie, you totally lost me in most of that. I got most of the range part, but Ive never even heard of a Markov Matrix. Simple highschool trig is the best math Ive done. I dont have a specific monster in mind to be killing with it, more of just for slayer.

all you need to know about the matrix is

if you give me the life points of a monster

and the max hit you're hitting on it

i can give you the % increase in DPS you will notice, including all forms of overkill loss.

 

but I'm only offering this service for 1 monster, and only if i feel like it, since doing markov calculations is a little more time consuming than most calculations.

 

as for determining max hit, you can use obliv's max hit formula.

You can find his formula on the RSOF forums if you search "max hit formula"

or you can use one of my spreadsheets, as they use his formula.

[tigershelby2]

Well, one of my more likeable tasks are hellhounds since they are nice and easy and good clues. They have a total LP of 1160, and I usually max around 265ish on task, depending on what gear I take and if Im bothered to use pots or not.

 

 

 

I ended up getting the knock out aura, and from the little testing Ive done, it seems that it gives a guaranteed kill on your next hit once the monsters health falls below a certain percent. So far, the highest percent Ive calculated is 8.17%, and when the health is under that the aura always kicks in. Of course, this is only one monster. It could only work on certain amount of health, not total health.

 

These numbers came from my tzhaar task, killing the Xil's. The Ket's have a max of 7.7% so far.

Edited June 29, 2011 by tigershelby2

[Grimy_Bunyip]

Well, one of my more likeable tasks are hellhounds since they are nice and easy and good clues. They have a total LP of 1160, and I usually max around 265ish on task, depending on what gear I take and if Im bothered to use pots or not.

eh that's a pretty low max it.

If I were to take the time to do that calc in particular, I would not be able to offer the same information to many other gamers other than you.

I'll probably do my own calculation soon, but assume a player that is closer to maxed out. Sorry.

[tigershelby2]

Well, one of my more likeable tasks are hellhounds since they are nice and easy and good clues. They have a total LP of 1160, and I usually max around 265ish on task, depending on what gear I take and if Im bothered to use pots or not.

eh that's a pretty low max it.

If I were to take the time to do that calc in particular, I would not be able to offer the same information to many other gamers other than you.

I'll probably do my own calculation soon, but assume a player that is closer to maxed out. Sorry.

Its cool, you would probably confuse me with your answer anyway :oops: I know thats not my highest max, but its the best number I can remember actually hitting.

 

Ill probably just try to figure out if it takes into account % of lp left, or if it just activates for a certain number of lp

[Nomrombom]

The KO scroll activates only under 10% of a monsters lifepoints left AND it will not hit for over 100.

[Haaa_Haaa0]

According to RS wiki, its a "knockout" if at or below 10% of the total LP of monster, up to a maximum of 100LP.

 

So, a 500 LP monster would be killed if at or below 50 LP or below; however, Corp could only be gauranteed a kill if at 100 LP or less.

 

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Knock-out

 

*edit* Mr. Nom beat me to it :P I have a citation though.

[Nomrombom]

According to RS wiki, its a "knockout" if at or below 10% of the total LP of monster, up to a maximum of 100LP.

 

So, a 500 LP monster would be killed if at or below 50 LP or below; however, Corp could only be gauranteed a kill if at 100 LP or less.

 

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Knock-out

 

*edit* Mr. Nom beat me to it :P I have a citation though.

 

My word is a citation >:[]

 

:lol:

[Haaa_Haaa0]

According to RS wiki, its a "knockout" if at or below 10% of the total LP of monster, up to a maximum of 100LP.

 

So, a 500 LP monster would be killed if at or below 50 LP or below; however, Corp could only be gauranteed a kill if at 100 LP or less.

 

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Knock-out

 

*edit* Mr. Nom beat me to it :P I have a citation though.

 

My word is a citation >:[]

 

:lol:

 

I had examples. :razz:

 

OT: I imagine that an ideal situation for this Aura would be a <1000lp monster with high def. Or, perhaps another option might be for Chinning Skeletal Monkeys to replace the whip for finishing them off? Idk.

[xSxqPowerx]

I would think that the knockout aura would actually be more useful to someone like you with lower stats and non-maxed out gear. The DPS boost for someone who is maxed is a lot lower.

[tigershelby2]

I dont disagree with the 10%, but I know for a fact that it hit a 106 for me on my tzhaar task.

[Quest_Cape_K]

If you piety your tasks then the prayer one would definitely worth it.

[Nomrombom]

If you piety your tasks then the prayer one would definitely worth it.

 

 

This. Also reverence (the prayer aura) would be super useful in fight caves. You could bring more of other pots in lieu of a few prayer pots.

[Haaa_Haaa0]

I dont disagree with the 10%, but I know for a fact that it hit a 106 for me on my tzhaar task.

 

I don't think that was the Aura. What I'm getting from the description is that, if the monster has, say, 90 LP left, but the hit you "roll" is only 20, then the aura bumps that up to 90, thus killing it. So, you rolled a 106 and KOed the tzhaar, not the aura.

 

@Soul_for_me (I'm terrible at formatting in these forums...)

 

I got that aura as well, I have it confirmed that at 75 pray you get 3 points extra per sip of pray pot. I'm about to try it out on my Waterfiend task I just got. I have 70 pray, I'll get back on that. *edit* I'm getting three extra points per sip as well.

 

@xSxqPowerx This seems true, I wonder if Grimy could give us an estimate as to when it stops becoming "efficient"?

[jddogg]

Definately think reverence is worth it...

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Reverence

 

* It gives an invisible +2 Prayer bonus.

* It gives 10% extra prayer points when a player drinks a Prayer potion (1-3 extra points depending on level), Super prayer potion (1-4 extra points depending on level) or Super restore. This stacks with the Holy wrench.

* Prayer drains around 4-9% slower than usual (depending on prayer level and prayer bonus).

 

PS. Someone should be my hero and figure out exactly what prayer level you will go from 1-2 points per level.(what level you would get 20 prayer points normally from a sip) That would be SUPER helpful for alot of people i'm sure. <3

[Quyneax]

Why do people keep saying reverence? Honestly prayer potions are very cheap and you have enough inventory space to do any task in one go anyway (bring a terrorbird if you have to).

 

Right now I'd look mainly into the auras that provide higher damage outputs (knock-out and sharpshooter mainly) and jack-of-all-trades.