Terrorist Player Moderators and Runescape's Mafia

[Star_Fox]

Why is it that everytime someone complains about "corruption" in Runescape, it always has to do something about "dicing"? :rolleyes:

 

It's a shady business man. OF COURSE there's going to be corruption, dishonesty, injustice, bla bla bla. Deal with it. Jagex had NOTHING to do with

dicing in the first place.

 

First of all, if you see Player mods practicing corruption, that's an automatic offense and it should be more than enough to

compromise their crown. Report the offense and there you go.

[Youmu]

Solution: Don't dice, simple. You should be training skills up anyways.

 

I see dicing as another one of those silly trust games tbh. It really is no different from doubling money.

[Crocefisso]

What I dont like out of this is that dicers give pmods a share to keep other dicers out of their territory.

 

If im ever a pmod im forming the pmod riot squad to strike back at these corrupt [wagon].

Pmod corruption is an age old issue and, like most problems, has worsened since February.

[I_am_Geed]

What I dont like out of this is that dicers give pmods a share to keep other dicers out of their territory.

 

If im ever a pmod im forming the pmod riot squad to strike back at these corrupt [wagon].

Pmod corruption is an age old issue and, like most problems, has worsened since February.

 

Doesnt mean the formation of Feel Team 6 isnt on the horizon!

[I_am_Geed]

There is no reason to have pmods delete pmods and you delete the problem of abuse.

 

/thread

 

 

Probably the wisest thing said in here.

[gompo]

Really? Another "I'm running a legitimate scam and was unfairly muted by a corrupt p-mod" rant? :blink:

Did you receive any threats from said mod? Or anyone else? Or are you just assuming that's what happened because someone else says it happened to them?

 

Did it occur to you that you were most likely muted for spamming the chat box, not for scamming? The real problem with dicing games is that, scam or not, the people running them feel the need to announce these games over and over again. Often, as mentioned before, using autotypers -- which is also against the rules.

 

I really wish Jagex would make a definite decision on whether or not trust games are scamming or not (what is "against the spirit of the game" supposed to mean anyway?), just so this kind of thing could finally be put to rest. :wall:

 

ditto!!

 

i admit it, i do not know the way a "dice game" is played. i imagine i give gold to the player spamming my chat box and assuming he rolls dice, he is supposed to pay me if the dice goes my way. hence the "trust".

 

trust? well, i have played RS for years and learned early "trust" in a stranger = loss of whatever trust you had in people.

 

this isnt an accusation against your character, but as there are many people that will scam others. the real problem with this is there are no protections in the game for this "game". i would play dice games, guessing games (flower game?), racing games, whatever game that would allow me to gamble, if there was a "safe" way, like the "loan" box.

 

while i do not have statistics for this statement, i would BET the majority of the dice game is more often a scam than a real gamble.... unless you consider playing the game in the first place the gamble.

 

 

i believe that Kaida23 is correct, about the "spirit of the game" but i really think Jagex doesnt care about that anymore. look at all the things they are doing or allowing to happen lately (bots, giveaways, refer a friend, etc), so i doubt any actions against trust trades or "safe" way to trust someone will happen soon. so......

 

"I really wish Jagex would make a definite decision on whether or not trust games are scamming or not just so this kind of thing could finally be put to rest." with out their hypacracy about "spirit of the game" would make better sense.

 

thanks,

gompo

[TC3]

I agree, this is a huge issue. The same thing happened to me and my brother. I've actually been muted 2 times now for no reason, once for dicing and once for absolutely no reason at all. Both were quashed fairly quickly. I am starting to think that a certain mod who muted me for dicing might be out to get me. He apparently has a grudge against ALL dicers because he got scammed by them once. The second mute I received was very suspicious because it was in the same place as the first, and I had said absolutely nothing against the rules.

 

The big problem with the guy who mutes me is that he's only doing it to inconvenience me, he knows the mutes will be removed. I'm starting to think they may need 2 tiers of pmods; those who can mute and those who haven't successfully muted a certain number of players, and also that these mutes are quality, not f2p gold farmer advertisements, thats too easy.

 

I still think all pmods should have a priority report abuse button but not all of them should be allowed to instantly mute, it's too easy to abuse.

[Sir_Squab]

I think Jagex should either make dicing against the rules or introduce a legitimate dicing system. You put in prize money, tell it the win conditions and such, so that way you aren't essentially engaging in trust trading, which frankly all dicing is trust trading to a degree. You are giving them money and trusting them to give it back if you win.

[FooK-A-Ji]

I think Jagex should either make dicing against the rules or introduce a legitimate dicing system. You put in prize money, tell it the win conditions and such, so that way you aren't essentially engaging in trust trading, which frankly all dicing is trust trading to a degree. You are giving them money and trusting them to give it back if you win.

 

Not gonna happen.

Hell will break loose and soccer moms will form a crusade against Jagex, claiming that dicing taught little Joey how to gamble, do drugs and be a teenage "baby-daddy".

[Saradomin_Mage]

I think Jagex should either make dicing against the rules or introduce a legitimate dicing system. You put in prize money, tell it the win conditions and such, so that way you aren't essentially engaging in trust trading, which frankly all dicing is trust trading to a degree. You are giving them money and trusting them to give it back if you win.

 

Not gonna happen.

Hell will break loose and soccer moms will form a crusade against Jagex, claiming that dicing taught little Joey how to gamble, do drugs and be a teenage "baby-daddy".

It's okay though, little Joey learnt it all by himself without any help from the system, so he's an entrepreneur now :shades:

[Bruhx]

If you send like 7 messages within 60 seconds, it can be considered spam, and be muted for that. Stupid.

[Kaida23]

Why would you need to send a message more than once every 8.5 seconds? :-s

[Kimberly]

Why would you need to send a message more than once every 8.5 seconds? :-s

 

Clan fights, for one.

 

Casual conversation, another.

 

Actual community involvement (like roleplaying, or contests, get-togethers)

[Sir_Squab]

I think Jagex should either make dicing against the rules or introduce a legitimate dicing system. You put in prize money, tell it the win conditions and such, so that way you aren't essentially engaging in trust trading, which frankly all dicing is trust trading to a degree. You are giving them money and trusting them to give it back if you win.

 

Not gonna happen.

Hell will break loose and soccer moms will form a crusade against Jagex, claiming that dicing taught little Joey how to gamble, do drugs and be a teenage "baby-daddy".

 

I listed two options there. You only gave a good reason against one option. If it is infeasible for Jagex to offer a formal support system for dicing, I think they would be better off outright banning it.

 

If you send like 7 messages within 60 seconds, it can be considered spam, and be muted for that. Stupid.

 

 

Why would you need to send a message more than once every 8.5 seconds? :-s

 

Regular conversation can easily exceed that limit. However, we don't actually know that it's an actual rule. It's also situational - for spamming on W2, it seems, well, slightly unreasonable, but a limit close to that seems reasonable. Also, p-mods have the ability to mute you for whatever the hell they feel like - what they are supposed to mute you for and what they might end up actually muting you for can be very different things, if this topic is any judge.

[Bruhx]

Yeah, my point was, even if they were supposed to give a reason why they mute anyone, I am positive they could figure something out. If you're typing like dicing chat 55x2 etc etc over & over again, you could easily exceed 7 messages per 60 seconds and be muted.

 

Jagex also isn't recruiting player moderators anymore either and they really should.

[RU_Insane]

I think Jagex should either make dicing against the rules or introduce a legitimate dicing system. You put in prize money, tell it the win conditions and such, so that way you aren't essentially engaging in trust trading, which frankly all dicing is trust trading to a degree. You are giving them money and trusting them to give it back if you win.

 

Not gonna happen.

Hell will break loose and soccer moms will form a crusade against Jagex, claiming that dicing taught little Joey how to gamble, do drugs and be a teenage "baby-daddy".

 

I listed two options there. You only gave a good reason against one option. If it is infeasible for Jagex to offer a formal support system for dicing, I think they would be better off outright banning it.

 

 

In fact, I have a suggestion for Jagex to implement a formal system for all games of chance, including dicing (flower game, for example).

 

Jagex could introduce a casino-like area somewhere near Varrock West Bank. There will be several different sub-areas inside, each for a different game of chance, and populated by a specific NPC for that game. There will be an NPC at the dicing sub-area, who rolls dice for you after he takes your bet. The dice rolls appear on the player's screen. 55+ rolls are winners, rolls under 55 are losers. Players who lose, have their bet added to the pot.

 

The 'pot' is the sum of all the players' losing bets + the NPC's starting cash (I'm thinking it can be 500M starting cash). If you win, you receive double your bet from the existing pot, so no money is created when you win; instead, it's recirculated. The pot total decreases by the amount of cash the player won, naturally. There will be a counter in the corner of the screen displaying the pot's current value. The pot value is capped at ten trillion.

 

Items may be used in place of cash bets. The item's market value is equivalent to a cash bet. If you win, you get your item back + cash equal to your item's market value. If you lose, the item is converted into cash, according to its market value, by the casino and is subsequently transferred into the pot.

 

Winners will always be paid out because the system is instructed to pay them out. This type of formal gaming destroys scamming and provides thrills with one blow. Plus, cash is recirculated, not generated out of thin air (save for the NPC's starting cash, but that has likely no noticeable economic effect).

 

Thoughts? I think it's a decent replacement for the system we have now. It's so hard to find legitimate hosts, and this system can easily fill that role. I admit, legitimate dice hosts will be replaced, but they're currently outnumbered by scammers.

[Tim]

They're more likely to remove the dice from the game then induce a Casino as that requires a Gambling licence, EVEN in a game, and because most people are under 18, it would be globally illegal.

[RU_Insane]

They're more likely to remove the dice from the game then induce a Casino as that requires a Gambling licence, EVEN in a game, and because most people are under 18, it would be globally illegal.

 

No, it wouldn't be illegal. Gambling laws differ from country to country regards legal age (even if there's a majority consensus), and I'd like to know the source that claims a "gambling license" is required to run a casino-like attraction in-game. If you could, I would like the direct text from U.K. law itself. I imagine the reason that minors are barred from casinos is because allowing minors to gamble isn't a legal source of revenue for the government (that may have to do with the fact that they can't pay tax), as well as the fact that alcohol is only available to people usually between the ages of 18 and 21, minimum age (translation: no minors allowed). Since in-game currency isn't a legal tender which would legitimate a source of revenue for the government, there's no need to restrict anyone from playing a game which is on Jagex's terms, especially one which is aimed toward young teenagers.

 

Your argument is equivalent to someone claiming that Jagex needs a liquor license to operate the pubs in-game because minors are barred from drinking in pubs in real life. Therefore, they should remove the pubs. Doesn't make sense, right? :P

[Kaida23]

Wait, they sell alcohol in the taverns??? They're encouraging kids to become drunken bums begging for crack in the gutter!

 

 

:lol:

 

Seriously though, RU_Insane is right. I doubt that you need a license to have games of chance in a video game as long as no one is winning any real life money.

[RU_Insane]

Wait, they sell alcohol in the taverns??? They're encouraging kids to become drunken bums begging for crack in the gutter!

 

 

:lol:

 

Seriously though, RU_Insane is right. I doubt that you need a license to have games of chance in a video game as long as no one is winning any real life money.

 

I <3: The Simpsons. and I lol'd :P

 

Yep, kids are safe, legally speaking. ^_^ I don't even know if gambling in-game has an adverse affect on a player IRL than say, causing them to miss some time for their schoolwork. >.>

[Death Glare]

I agree with this 99%. I recently came on to Runescape and figured I'd try to make some F2P money by doing the Seal Game. I was out saying "Seal Game x2 odd/even" for a few minutes.. and ended up getting muted for 2 days. I figured it was a reasonable mute.. What I was doing is technically spamming. After 2 long days of waiting for my temporary mute to end.. I reluctantly come back on to a random members world and say "kjfndvkjw" testing to see if I was un-muted. This appeared in the chat box, and I was all too happy to say "Yes! Un-muted!" after a few minutes of random skilling, I try to make a comment in my clan.. And the chat box says, "You have been temporarily muted, please wait 2 days" ............. Having said only the two sentences, I do NOT see any reason what-so-ever as to why I should be muted again. P-mod instant muting is VERY corrupt and needs to be restricted much more. Thank you for reading this. I agree with this topic.

[Hedgehog]

No, you were automatically muted for advertising a gambling game; no moderator was involved. It's against the rules because it ruins the game.

[Omali]

I agree with this 99%. I recently came on to Runescape and figured I'd try to make some F2P money by doing the Seal Game. I was out saying "Seal Game x2 odd/even" for a few minutes.. and ended up getting muted for 2 days. I figured it was a reasonable mute.. What I was doing is technically spamming. After 2 long days of waiting for my temporary mute to end.. I reluctantly come back on to a random members world and say "kjfndvkjw" testing to see if I was un-muted. This appeared in the chat box, and I was all too happy to say "Yes! Un-muted!" after a few minutes of random skilling, I try to make a comment in my clan.. And the chat box says, "You have been temporarily muted, please wait 2 days" ............. Having said only the two sentences, I do NOT see any reason what-so-ever as to why I should be muted again. P-mod instant muting is VERY corrupt and needs to be restricted much more. Thank you for reading this. I agree with this topic.

 

I'd rather you be permanently banned for contributing to the gambling cancer that is ruining this game, but I'll take perpetual mutes if you can't learn your lesson.