August 6, 201114 yr Let's consider the advantages and disadvantages. Advantages: - Much more runes, bolt racks- More exp Disadvantages: - Time wasted because Barrows item chance doesn't improve One could argue that you make up for the time wasted by getting more runes. I usually get a kill count of 12-15. Thoughts?
August 6, 201114 yr I'd say dont get it; or at most go to 8-10 as its not wasting too much time Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue
August 6, 201114 yr 3 is optimal for maximum death runes. Any more and you'll increase the number of bloods that you get. Bolt racks are not worth it anymore. So yes, get 3 kills per run. No more, no less.
August 6, 201114 yr 3 is optimal for maximum death runes. Any more and you'll increase the number of bloods that you get. Bolt racks are not worth it anymore. So yes, get 3 kills per run. No more, no less. It annoys me when people say kc like this for barrows.Because you don't get 3kc, you get 9kc6 brothers + 3 others. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue
August 6, 201114 yr 3 is optimal for maximum death runes. Any more and you'll increase the number of bloods that you get. Bolt racks are not worth it anymore. So yes, get 3 kills per run. No more, no less. It annoys me when people say kc like this for barrows.Because you don't get 3kc, you get 9kc6 brothers + 3 others. Well saying 9 kc might confuse some people because I am sure newer players are not used to having the brothers counted as kc rather than having their names displayed for being killed.
August 6, 201114 yr 3 is optimal for maximum death runes. Any more and you'll increase the number of bloods that you get. Bolt racks are not worth it anymore. So yes, get 3 kills per run. No more, no less. It annoys me when people say kc like this for barrows.Because you don't get 3kc, you get 9kc6 brothers + 3 others. Depending on how lucky you get , you can end up without a single kc.Hunt the right chest to get in the tunnels, go towards the chest and just open it and tele out. :rolleyes: Anyway, looking at the topic he most likely kills all 6 brothers so 3kc is right.
August 6, 201114 yr 3 is optimal for maximum death runes. Any more and you'll increase the number of bloods that you get. Bolt racks are not worth it anymore. So yes, get 3 kills per run. No more, no less. It annoys me when people say kc like this for barrows.Because you don't get 3kc, you get 9kc6 brothers + 3 others. Well saying 9 kc might confuse some people because I am sure newer players are not used to having the brothers counted as kc rather than having their names displayed for being killed. Wow they changed it?So didn't know that. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue
August 6, 201114 yr I usually get around 3-8kc in the long run the runes and bolt racks add up and worth quite alot
August 6, 201114 yr Its pretty useful to get around 8 kc if your using ancients, reaally cuts down on the amount of runes you use.
August 6, 201114 yr From Tip.it Guide Kill Count Drops0-1 Mind Rune, Chaos Rune, Death Rune, Coins and Barrow pieces only2+ Blood Rune are possible drops3+ Bolt Racks are possible drops5+ Half keys are rare possible drops6+ Dragon Medium helms are rare possible drops I usually just do 6, but that's just because this chart doesn't go past 6. :thumbsup:
August 6, 201114 yr Go to a site called Runescoop and read the barrows killcount research. The Tip.it guide explains nearly nothing, as usual.
August 6, 201114 yr Go to a site called Runescoop and read the barrows killcount research. The Tip.it guide explains nearly nothing, as usual. runescoop is aweful; the research methods are flawed and sample sizes stupid. eg there's 1 guide where the sample was 4.5 dragons.tip.it may not list in-depth research data or specify which works out the most efficient, but it covers all the information you need to know to make an informed choice for yourself. And anything extra you wish to know is what this forum is here for. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue
August 6, 201114 yr there was also a guide where they determined that no ring>warrior>zerker :rolleyes: DK drops (solo/LS): 66 hatchets, 14 archer rings, 13 berserker rings, 17 warrior rings, 12 seerculls, 13 mud staves, 7 seers ringsQBD drops: 1 kite, 2 visages, 4 dragonbone kits, 3 effigies, lots of crossbow partsCR vs. CLS threads always turn into discussions about penis size....It's not called a Compensation Longsword for nothing.I've sent a 12k combat mission to have Aiel assassinated (poor bastard isn't even Pincers-tier difficulty).
August 6, 201114 yr Must've been a typo. No ring<Warrior<Zerker My lame drops:6 Effigys1 D Med - 1 D Dagger1 Verac's Helmet - 1 Guthan's Platebody
August 6, 201114 yr Wasn't a typo, he actually got more kills without a ring. He didn't actually put that order with >s and <s, just tables and graphs. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted
August 7, 201114 yr Must've been a typo. No ring<Warrior<Zerker it was no typo it was backed up by the typical runescoop poorly collected data on samples of about 3 kills, if memory serves each rings data was drawn from a different number of kills on entirely different monsters with completely different setups aka it showed nothing at all about the rings themselves. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue
August 7, 201114 yr The research used decent enough and similar gear, just no potions, which is ridiculous, also it was based on a sample of 30 minutes. Which means no ring did in fact kill 2 additional black dragons in the end on a total of 40. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted
August 7, 201114 yr The barrows research is an exception. It's actually fairly solid and the results make sense, intuitively. The SS vs ZS for waterfiends is also solid.
August 7, 201114 yr SS vs Zs for waterfiends suffers from exactly the same problems as the berserker vs warrior ring research. He did 20 minute tests and more importantly, he used a stopwatch to count in-combat time (e.g. manually starting it when attacking a monster, ending it when it dies). Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted
August 7, 201114 yr Ugh. I did skim it but that's no excuse for missing such a glaring fault. My bad.
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