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So let me see this traight. Those chavs saw the kid, probably beaten to the point of coffing blood (we don't know if they were the ones to beat him up, or if he participated in the riots and ended up being beaten by the police), and pretended to help him just so they could steal his stuff?

Scum of the earth right there.

And while I live nowhere near London, that is just ridiculous, like many have said before, this is just rioting for the sake of looting, any kind of excuse is immideatly invalid seeing how much harm they did not only for themselves, but to their communitties as a whole. Dispicable.

Also, @the bbc link abotu the women being interviewed after rioting, that just proves this is nothing but mindless violence and pillage. They discribed the riots as a "buch of good fun" and that it was also "the government's fault". WTF? These kind of people just make me mad.

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The best is the fools posting on twitter lol.

A guy got shot by police in Tottenham -> steal from small business owners

wat.

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How to stop the riots of getting out of hand like in the above video:

Arm the riot cops, let them shoot whoever tries to defy them. Seriously, that would have stopped the charge right there, standing around with plastic shield ammounts to near nothign when you aren't allowed to fight back.

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The cops are [cabbage] scared of touching them in fear of being sacked which has happened in nearly every previous riot when somebody gets injured and complains.

Screw human rights, you act like moronic apes you get treated like them until you learn.

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All this reminds me of the '94 LA riots, over the same thing: police brutality.


The biggest problem with cops: they either overdo it or underdo it. Always. <_<
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Oh, and I guess this is rather fitting too.
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Shooting rioters is just going to make things MUCH worse. That's probably the dumbest thing they could do right now.

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Rubber bullets. Though, I guess those can kill too.

Well, tear gas, spray them with water. Standing around with plastic shields and running away form the rioters wont control the rioters.
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Arm the riot cops, let them shoot whoever tries to defy them.

No, I'm pretty sure the reason they're rioting is because the police shot some guy in Tottenham. Police shoot more people = more rioting, more violence.

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Shooting rioters is just going to make things MUCH worse. That's probably the dumbest thing they could do right now.


Not when you're dealing with people having no greater purpose. The majority of these people are just out to cause trouble and loot knowing there is no real consequence.

If looters were shot on sight, these riots would have been over days ago.

I realize it isn't a realistic solution, but it would be an effective one.

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Standing still hoping this would stop will not bring any good either, maybe real bullets is too much, but hell, rubber bullets, tear gas, water cannons, show some resistence to this, otherwise it just won't stop.

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Shooting rioters is just going to make things MUCH worse. That's probably the dumbest thing they could do right now.


Not when you're dealing with people having no greater purpose. The majority of these people are just out to cause trouble and loot knowing there is no real consequence.

If looters were shot on sight, these riots would have been over days ago.

I realize it isn't a realistic solution, but it would be an effective one.

If you have any morality at all you know that shooting rioters in the streets in the 21st century is both completely ineffective and unethical.

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My force has sent a group of riot officers (though only 24 so 3 vans approximately). They're putting most officers on standby currently as it seems to be spreading throughout the country.

Also wanting this to be the wakeup call to our government to issue officers with watercannons, rubber bullets, ability to use force without being scrutinised all the flippin time.
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If you have any morality at all you know that shooting rioters in the streets in the 21st century is both completely ineffective and unethical.

What does morality have to do with effectiveness?

Obviously it's unethical and I would never condone it. I'm just saying it would be extremely effective.

Like I said in my first post, this is the problem with living in a civilized democracy. We put limits on ourselves that give people willing to break those limits clear advantages.

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Shooting rioters is just going to make things MUCH worse. That's probably the dumbest thing they could do right now.


Not when you're dealing with people having no greater purpose. The majority of these people are just out to cause trouble and loot knowing there is no real consequence.

If looters were shot on sight, these riots would have been over days ago.

I realize it isn't a realistic solution, but it would be an effective one.

I'm not too sure it would work. While it would quell most of the violence, it seems barbaric which would be, in my opinion, stooping to the looters' level. As long as these rioters aren't using guns of their own, I don't see the need for riot police to use their own guns on them. Over the long-term it would create more dissent among the populace than using other methods of riot control.

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I'm not too sure it would work. While it would quell most of the violence, it seems barbaric which would be, in my opinion, stooping to the looters' level. As long as these rioters aren't using guns of their own, I don't see the need for riot police to use their own guns on them. Over the long-term it would create more dissent among the populace than using other methods of riot control.

Hold on a minute here - you're proving something other than what I was saying.

I'm not condoning shooting looters nor calling it ethical. I'm saying it would be effective in ending the riots.

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If you have any morality at all you know that shooting rioters in the streets in the 21st century is both completely ineffective and unethical.

What does morality have to do with effectiveness?

Obviously it's unethical and I would never condone it. I'm just saying it would be extremely effective.

Like I said in my first post, this is the problem with living in a civilized democracy. We put limits on ourselves that give people willing to break those limits clear advantages.

It would be the opposite of effective. More riots would come out of it. If you shoot those rioters, you threaten to turn the entire country into chaos. People don't just sit down when their brothers and sisters are killed in cold blood.

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One of my London sources tells me, "The real story is how police budgets have been smashed to nothing and – surprise, surprise – they don’t have staff or resources to deal with anything."

Irony: Theresa May: We can cut police budget without risking violent unrest (September 2010)

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It would be the opposite of effective. More riots would come out of it. If you shoot those rioters, you threaten to turn the entire country into chaos. People don't just sit down when their brothers and sisters are killed in cold blood.

And here is where I disagree.

It's one thing if you're rioting with some greater purpose. These rioters, by and large, are not. The majority of them are stupid kids looking to cause trouble - and I'm sorry, but no one is stupid enough to risk their life over a bag of rice.

Would there be outcry? Absolutely. But if it were to be well broadcast beforehand that this would occur, no one has the right to complain.

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One of my London sources tells me, "The real story is how police budgets have been smashed to nothing and – surprise, surprise – they don’t have staff or resources to deal with anything."

Irony: Theresa May: We can cut police budget without risking violent unrest (September 2010)

Can all but hope she'll relook at this after cutting the police by 25%.
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