The Back Room

[The_Mather1]

Opened the guide: "Well, this might be inter-... NO!"

[The Dark Lord]

I love cheese...

 

 

Isn't there a way to arrange that more efficiently?

 

Yes, but it doesn't give much walking space and can be a PITA. My layout is more because I wanted to be different while keeping something that "works" for me. Although that cellar isn't enough for me, so I'm thinking about building 1-2 more cheese houses.

 

My main floor has a pretty inefficient layout, but I'm fine with it. My roommate (shares plot with me) designed that layout. I did the cellar.

 

I just doubled my camembert production area on the surface, but the extra racks look ugly. Oh well. I loves my AGI.

[archimage_a]

Opened the guide: "Well, this might be inter-... NO!"

 

Useful as ever.

'I haz opinionz Lolz'

'And what is that opinion?'

'Lolz, m3 n0t g0ing t0 tell u'

 

 

Yup, I am willing to play...

Mostly because I have talked to Wyvern (SHOCK, I didn't just read the guide I also talked to someone...what is the world coming to) and I

REALLY

 

REALLY

 

REALLY

 

like the idea of a Superhero Roleplaying Game (Which, as I understand it, is gonna be the focus of the adventure.)

 

So let me just reiterate:

[The Dark Lord]

Oh, here's a picture of my plot:

 

[hide=Plot][/hide]

 

Picture doesn't do it much justice, and I know it looks kind of crappy when the screenshot was taken in the standard client. My custom client is a lot prettier. :)

 

My roommate does all the farming (though I'll farm the main beetroot field to feed my cows), and I usually milk/feed the cows and get about 300-340 litres of milk a day. We also work together on the cheese production and cooking, and I get 100% of all food and 100% of all curios. I get the materials for the curios, and a friend crafts them all for me.

 

He used to have a pretty badass main that was a combat character, but he died in one of the major battles that has taken place in the war between Pandemonium and the Russian horde. He respawned an then got himself killed when he went into the underground area beneath Pandemonium when we told him NOT to and got shot. He was being [developmentally delayed]ed and did not wear armour. So he decided to just stay away from combat and farm since that's all he has time for now anyway. I respawned his second incarnation (now third incarnation) and have trained it as a murder alt. Already have gained a [bleep]ing ton of LP in under one week on the toon and will have it completely grinded back up before long. Of course it'll go full tradition at this point.

 

All in all, not a bad deal for me. I will post a picture of my curio room when I'm not too busy. ;)

 

 

EDIT: All of those characters in my plot are me by the way. I usually log on 4-5 characters at a time...

[The_Mather1]

To be more exact:

Looks at pictures: "This looks ok."

Reads sees dice-names: "Please don't say..."

Sees skills list: "It's DnD! "

[Retech]

Hah, I could only manage three, and that was very stressful. :P

[Earth]

Hmm. I may give it a shot, Wyvern, but later, not now. Again, I have no time.

[The_Mather1]

I know a MMORPG which may be of interest to the majority of people here in the Tavern; Forsaken World. It is made by Perfect World Ent., as a more western-styled game than Perfect World.

 

I find it to be a good game, although quests are slightly uniform compared to what I am used to in Runescape, it is still enjoyable due to a very well made path-finder/auto-walker so you don't have to walk several kilometers yourself just to find out you made a wrong turn or can't find the NPC you're supposed to talk to.

 

Earth, you got any opinion on Forsaken World you want to share?

[Nexaduro]

I'll give it a try perhaps. I only have one question; how close can I get to looking like Kamina with my in-game avatar?

 

Plus I found something that would give Ross a happy stroke: Union Flagann, SPIN ON!

[The_Mather1]

I have no idea, all I know is that it works slightly more on presets than other MMORPGs, so you can't change the facial structure to a custom and you can't use the full colour spectrum.

 

And I have no idea if you can change body proportions on other classes than dwarves for which you can't. I also have no idea if you can change breast size on female characters like you can in PW.

[Earth]

Forsaken world? I love that game!. . Was gonna make a guild with me buddies on there. Didn't work out so well yet.. Dwarf MArksman at level 29 at least.

[Ieyfura]

Any MMO aside from Runescape that doesn't use the WASD keys to move is just meh in my eyes. Especially 3D MMOs. No go for me.

[archimage_a]

Aye, 3D tends to be an excuse rather than a feature.

[Nexaduro]

If Savage Worlds is as hoped, I might not get much time to dedicate to Forsaken World.

 

Mather, I wish you weren't such a stubborn fool, you miss out from preconcieved notions based not on experience but on hunches. If you'd read into it... The thing is about as far from D&D as you can get while remaining a tabletop game. It doesn't use static skills, abilities, or anything really, it looks both more forgiving and more intense, has a much more fluid setting, isn't nearly as complicated (which, as I recall, was your main gripe with the D20 system...). If I were you, I would get my head out of my ass and give it a try just for the hell of it! A cynic never serves his own well-being, and nothing as simple as a game with friends will injure your ability to enjoy yourself no matter how bad!

 

I bar myself from new experiences all the time and have never been better for it! This is our chance, we can all play together in memory of those glory days once known by this Tavern! I have faith in Wyvren, and if you don't believe in him, believe in the me that believes in him! Come on Mather, let's see you grit those teeth and try something new!

[Ieyfura]

If Savage Worlds is as hoped, I might not get much time to dedicate to Forsaken World.

 

Mather, I wish you weren't such a stubborn fool, you miss out from preconcieved notions based not on experience but on hunches. If you'd read into it... The thing is about as far from D&D as you can get while remaining a tabletop game. It doesn't use static skills, abilities, or anything really, it looks both more forgiving and more intense, has a much more fluid setting, isn't nearly as complicated (which, as I recall, was your main gripe with the D20 system...). If I were you, I would get my head out of my ass and give it a try just for the hell of it! A cynic never serves his own well-being, and nothing as simple as a game with friends will injure your ability to enjoy yourself no matter how bad!

 

I bar myself from new experiences all the time and have never been better for it! This is our chance, we can all play together in memory of those glory days once known by this Tavern! I have faith in Wyvren, and if you don't believe in him, believe in the me that believes in him! Come on Mather, let's see you grit those teeth and try something new!

 

I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this, amidst some minor flaming, you prove a few good points....but um....if he doesn't wanna try it...why does he have to try it?

[Nexaduro]

I've been watching too much Gurren Lagann! Sorry, can't help it! GO BEYOND THE FAMILIAR AND KICK SECLUSION TO THE CURB! THAT IS THE TAVERNIAN WAY!

[The Dark Lord]

Any MMO aside from Runescape that doesn't use the WASD keys to move is just meh in my eyes. Especially 3D MMOs. No go for me.

 

You could reverse-engineer the clients and utilize WASD movement or at least arrow key movement.

[jasignhagj]

Oh, here's a picture of my plot:

 

[hide=Plot][/hide]

 

Picture doesn't do it much justice, and I know it looks kind of crappy when the screenshot was taken in the standard client. My custom client is a lot prettier. :)

 

My roommate does all the farming (though I'll farm the main beetroot field to feed my cows), and I usually milk/feed the cows and get about 300-340 litres of milk a day. We also work together on the cheese production and cooking, and I get 100% of all food and 100% of all curios. I get the materials for the curios, and a friend crafts them all for me.

 

He used to have a pretty badass main that was a combat character, but he died in one of the major battles that has taken place in the war between Pandemonium and the Russian horde. He respawned an then got himself killed when he went into the underground area beneath Pandemonium when we told him NOT to and got shot. He was being [developmentally delayed]ed and did not wear armour. So he decided to just stay away from combat and farm since that's all he has time for now anyway. I respawned his second incarnation (now third incarnation) and have trained it as a murder alt. Already have gained a [bleep]ing ton of LP in under one week on the toon and will have it completely grinded back up before long. Of course it'll go full tradition at this point.

 

All in all, not a bad deal for me. I will post a picture of my curio room when I'm not too busy. ;)

 

 

EDIT: All of those characters in my plot are me by the way. I usually log on 4-5 characters at a time...

 

That is insane. You plan to try out Salem when it gets released?

[The Dark Lord]

Oh, here's a picture of my plot:

 

[hide=Plot][/hide]

 

Picture doesn't do it much justice, and I know it looks kind of crappy when the screenshot was taken in the standard client. My custom client is a lot prettier. :)

 

My roommate does all the farming (though I'll farm the main beetroot field to feed my cows), and I usually milk/feed the cows and get about 300-340 litres of milk a day. We also work together on the cheese production and cooking, and I get 100% of all food and 100% of all curios. I get the materials for the curios, and a friend crafts them all for me.

 

He used to have a pretty badass main that was a combat character, but he died in one of the major battles that has taken place in the war between Pandemonium and the Russian horde. He respawned an then got himself killed when he went into the underground area beneath Pandemonium when we told him NOT to and got shot. He was being [developmentally delayed]ed and did not wear armour. So he decided to just stay away from combat and farm since that's all he has time for now anyway. I respawned his second incarnation (now third incarnation) and have trained it as a murder alt. Already have gained a [bleep]ing ton of LP in under one week on the toon and will have it completely grinded back up before long. Of course it'll go full tradition at this point.

 

All in all, not a bad deal for me. I will post a picture of my curio room when I'm not too busy. ;)

 

 

EDIT: All of those characters in my plot are me by the way. I usually log on 4-5 characters at a time...

 

That is insane. You plan to try out Salem when it gets released?

 

Prob not. It got delayed to Q2 2012 btw.

[The_Mather1]

Any MMO aside from Runescape that doesn't use the WASD keys to move is just meh in my eyes. Especially 3D MMOs. No go for me.

It does, it's just that you can in most cases click on names in quest descriptions so you don't have to find the NPCs yourself.

 

If Savage Worlds is as hoped, I might not get much time to dedicate to Forsaken World.

 

Mather, I wish you weren't such a stubborn fool, you miss out from preconcieved notions based not on experience but on hunches. If you'd read into it... The thing is about as far from D&D as you can get while remaining a tabletop game. It doesn't use static skills, abilities, or anything really, it looks both more forgiving and more intense, has a much more fluid setting, isn't nearly as complicated (which, as I recall, was your main gripe with the D20 system...). If I were you, I would get my head out of my ass and give it a try just for the hell of it! A cynic never serves his own well-being, and nothing as simple as a game with friends will injure your ability to enjoy yourself no matter how bad!

 

I bar myself from new experiences all the time and have never been better for it! This is our chance, we can all play together in memory of those glory days once known by this Tavern! I have faith in Wyvren, and if you don't believe in him, believe in the me that believes in him! Come on Mather, let's see you grit those teeth and try something new!

If you haven't noticed, I'm not the kind who gives up on something because it's a lot of work or requires thinking, heck I love to play complicated games as long as they don't put me off in an other way. What I hate about DnD is the limiting characters and the very aspect of it that makes it a tabletop game.

The map for a starter removes the destructive route, because of it I can't just break a hole through a wall to make an entrance. It also removes the creative route which is made even worse by the 3rd-person, top-down point of view, because you have to kill that monster yourself, you can't just tip a column onto it or destroy the ground beneath its feet.

Then there's the character sheet, which is more than anything just a reminder that you can try all you want, but you can't do everything. Sure, a name and a species may be useful information, but the class set it basically just a "[bleep] you!" to people like me who like to change combat-style along the way. Then there's age, height, weight, etc., why the [bleep] does it need that? Those questions are just a waste of time and space. Then you have to read through two different lists which tell you what your character could do, then you have to chose just a very few of then, again just a "[bleep] you!" to people with my playing style. Then finally it's the equipment, sure, that axe was made according to some dwarfish tradition, but why the hell can't a human wield it? It makes no sense at all.

 

I am speaking out of experience, not a hunch, when I say I by far enjoy trips to the dentist more than playing DnD.

[Ieyfura]

Wait, so this game Forsaken World or w/e, actually uses WASD? I might give the PC requirements a looksee to see if my [cabbage]ty PC can run it. lol

[Retech]

-snip-

 

1) You can break a hole in a wall, if there is something behind it

2) You don't have to fill out the non-mechanical details of the sheet. Personally, I do that in a separate descriptive paragraph thing.

3) Multiclass?

4) Because you CAN wield it, but it doesn't mean that you know how to. It's a decent penalty to how accurate the attack is, which makes sense

 

It's mainly up to your DM though. There are some areas that rules do not cover, which the GM can just make a decision about. Break down this wall? Well, the hardness of masonary is *blank*, so you just need to be able to deal more than 20 damage and we can say that you can take twenty on it.

[archimage_a]

Ok, destructive route:

Oddly enough if you have a sword verses a granite wall you can't. And if you have a warhammer then you can.

As far as I know, if it makes sense, a mod will let you do it.

 

Creative Route:

You miss the fundermental aspect of Roleplaying...Tipping columns onto monsters is what all GMs love. The problem is players like Retech's Friends who screw around with the mechanics until they can do 1,000 damage and bypass the cleverly engineered column collapse in the favour of stabbing it.

You enjoyed Dungeoneering, DnD, when you have people who don't screw with the mechanics, works in much the same way.

 

On character sheets most of the age/height/ect is ignored most of the time. It is only used very occassionally.

 

A human can wield a Dwarf Axe...they just aren't very good at it.

Its quite reasonable to be worse at wielding a Dwarf Axe than a Human Axe, unless you were actually trained (or you used it for a few weeks and the Mod said 'Alright then, you are now good at it')

 

 

If you don't like playing then don't play (Personally, I prefer it when people don't do idiotic things, like breaking down a loadbearing wall just to avoid a simple puzzle)

But don't make a bunch of incorrect assumptions and call them reasons for not playing...Its not befitting someone who supposedly believes in rationality.

 

 

 

 

 

As for limiting characters...Talk to your GM.

DnD is meant to be a social game, not 'Force the rules on everyone'. The problems arise when people stop talking and start pointing at the rules.

(Unless everyone is pointing at the rules, in which case it becomes fun again).

[Icuownage]

Perfect world is bad and if it's just a remake set in a western world(Which is weird that they call it forsaken... I'm saying their's a possible racist notion to that) then it's probably still bad.

 

The only thing I found fun about it was the double jump, also the enemies having types(Such as strong, weak, fast, etc) was good I guess

 

 

But, it still suffered from the repetitive cycle, but it had an addition to that cycle which really annoyed me, and it was the fact you can click to go to the NPC or objective and watch as you get autoplioted towards the NPC, which removes all difficulty of the game and it just becomes "Oh I got a quest, just going to click this button and minimise for 5 minutes" (There's only one game that gets away with this feature and that's EVE, and that's because they give a ton of stuff to do while you autopilot (Such as read the quest, look on their built in browser, check the economy, Etc) and because even if you didn't autopilot, you'd get the same effect, because AP does in that game is click the warp gate for you)

 

Furthermore, some of the quests point you in the wrong direction, even if using the autopilot or not, some quests just say something is somewhere where it's not.

 

Also the economy is GOD DAMN TERRIBLE, and perfect world also suffers from what most free MMO's suffer from, and that's cash shops to buy OP items that make you ahead of everyone because you decided that paying for it is a good idea and not a waste of money at all. And these objects sell for way too much in game for anyone who hasn't actually bought one before to ever afford (because a monster drops around a 100 coins (or w/e the currency was) and the object sells for well over a million)

 

So yeah, it's pretty terrible in my opinion.

[The_Mather1]

Archi, there's still the major problem that any emulated board just ends up as a pain in the ass, especially when the functions are nearly impossible to work out in a short timeframe. Also making characters takes way too much time due to the skills.

 

Icu, it's not set in a western world, the game overall is just more similiar to normal western MMORPGs when compared to the distinctly eastern-styled Perfect World which had Taoism as an important part, beast-men and oriental architecture. The setting for Forsaken World is actually quite anonymus with no striking features at all but standard western monsters such as ratmen (or ratkin as they're called), vampires, normal beasts and werewolves.

 

Also Oslo has just been the target of a terrorist attack (or some random accident which just happened to cause multiple explosions within a government building :rolleyes: ), the common reaction; "WTF?"

Possibly related to that some guy dressed as a policeman is shooting up an island with a handgun.

 

Just saying this because it might be international news tomorrow/in a few hours.