ok, i know exactly how the universe began and im going to describe it to you in as great a level of detail as i can.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ok, first you take a bath tub made of the darkest ebony. but the bath is conical. just bear with me here. its a conical bath. now you take that bath, and fill it with white sand, or sugar or something like that and you pull the plug out of the bath.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

now heres the brilliant part. you film the sand as it drains out of the bath, ok? and then, you play it back in reverse, so that it looks like the sand is coming up from the plug and filling the bath.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well, thats not exactly how the universe began, but its a great way to relax!

 

 

 

Nice plagerizing there... (for get which one its from)

I don't care what you all think; fact is fact; and fact is that God created the Heveans (mind my spelling) and the Earth. He created man and woman in his image, so in otherwards we look some what like he does. The "Big Bang Theory" (again mind my spelling) Is when God spoke it into existence. God is an all powerful being that took time in creating his creation. A entire 6 days. This may seen short compared to the asumed 666 million years you said, but remember God is an all powerful being. He could have created the entire Earth and its population and inhabitance (please mind my spelling.) in a tenth of a second. Fact is God is God and though people may think that this is a religion it is only a RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. He sent his one and only son Jesus to die for our wrong doings, (or sin as christians call it). He was crusified, which means he was nailed on his hands and feet to a cross ( a somewhat T shape). He was the rightful king of this world and though he did not establish his kingdom on Earth, he established it in Hevean. In cunclusion God is a very merciful god who sent his son Jesus to die for you and me. What really blows me away about this is he is a king and we didn't even know him. Since when does a king die for common people. And as I finaly end this post, if any of you have not accepted Jesus as your lord or savior, please repeat what I say and mean it with all your heart:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Jesus; I admit that what I have been doing is wrong; I couldn't live without you; You are my lord and my god, and I finaly see that, I dare not waste any more time doing the wrong things that I have been doing, such as, cussing, haveing sex before marriage, Doing drugs, drinking alchohol (please mind my spelling.) or anything that would be considered unholy in your name. Words can not express my feelings and how lost I was with out you. Please come into my heart and forgive me for every thing that I have done against you, In Jesus' name, Amen."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For those of you that don't know what "Amen" means, it means "let it happen" which is a powerful way to end a prayer or conversation with Jesus. The reason of saying this prayer is so that you can go To hevean. Which is the basicaly paridice. The streets are made of gold. You would have a mansion just for you, and anything else you can think of. If you choose not to accept Jesus into your heart then when you die you will go to hell, where you will perish. To perish means to be tortured and never die. You will eventualy die on Earth, but when you do die your spirit goes to heaven and you will be judged on what you have done in your life. IF YOU HAVE NOT ACCEPTED JESUS INTO YOUR LIFE, YOU WILL GO TO HELL. IF YOU HAVE ACCEPTED JESUS INTO YOUR LIFE, YOU WILL GO TO HEAVEN.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you have anyquestions about anything I have just said or something like that. Contact me in runescape.

 

 

 

My runescape name is:

 

 

 

Montezuma05

Horray i'm going to Hell :D

I don't care what you all think; fact is fact; and fact is that God created the Heveans (mind my spelling) and the Earth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Facts are things that can be proven. What you've got there is a religious belief, not a fact.

 

I don't care what you all think; fact is fact; and fact is that God created the Heveans (mind my spelling) and the Earth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Facts are things that can be proven. What you've got there is a religious belief, not a fact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, but to someone with strong religious convictions, faith is as good as fact.

 

 

I don't care what you all think; fact is fact; and fact is that God created the Heveans (mind my spelling) and the Earth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Facts are things that can be proven. What you've got there is a religious belief, not a fact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, but to someone with strong religious convictions, faith is as good as fact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually to most people with strong religious convictions, faith is impervious to fact.

Which is basically the same freakn' principle.

 

 

 

You just thought it would be cool by using a "big word". :roll:

Which is basically the same freakn' principle.

 

 

 

You just thought it would be cool by using a "big word". :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No it doesn't mean the same thing. And if you think "impervious" is a big word I'm surprised you're capable of pushing enough buttons in the right order to generate a coherent post. Oh wait, you're not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Astralinre (oh no - another word with ten letters in it, how ever will you cope) had remarked that some religious people accept their beliefs as facts. My point was that they often accept their beliefs even though facts directly contradict them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apologies to anyone with an IQ higher than their shoe-size for needing to explain all that.

No it doesn't mean the same thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Using "big words" (See big words) like that I figured you would learn how to read.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And if you think "impervious" is a big word I'm surprised you're capable of pushing enough buttons in the right order to generate a coherent post. Oh wait, you're not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No need for personal insults. We are all friends here.

 

 

 

Besides, you don't know me and you have been here for like a week.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apologies to anyone with an IQ higher than their shoe-size for needing to explain all that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once again, a little bit on the rude side.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I understand what you're saying, but it's like you are trying to start an argument out of nothing. Since both of your posts revolve around the same principle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[big Words: Doesn't always mean big words. A statement used to describe a word that not everyone would know the meaning of. I on the other hand, knew what it meant, but you sounded a little bit arrogant in your statement.]

I understand what you're saying, but it's like you are trying to start an argument out of nothing. Since both of your posts revolve around the same principle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Um, you started the argument. And no, the two posts revolve around completely different principles. Accepting your beliefs as facts, and continuing to believe them despite facts which go against them are two very different notions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[big Words: Doesn't always mean big words. A statement used to describe a word that not everyone would know the meaning of. I on the other hand, knew what it meant, but you sounded a little bit arrogant in your statement.]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Come off it, not everyone will always know the meaning of any word. However I'd expect anyone who has started high school to know what impervious means. And if, by chance, they don't then I'd expect them to be able to use a dictionary.

Fact is God is God and though people may think that this is a religion it is only a RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It may very well be a relationship but its also called a religion, by your very own logic no religions exist because everyone has a relationship with their deity; god, allah, brahman, shiva..

 

 

 

The fact is its better to look up the correct meaning of words rather than inventing them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: Looking at the rest of your post you're basically peddling the same unsupported scripted religious babble.

And no, the two posts revolve around completely different principles. Accepting your beliefs as facts, and continuing to believe them despite facts which go against them are two very different notions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Either way, some people say that religion is fact, and others say fact is impervious to religion. I'm sure that these two types of people would agree with each other.

 

 

 

Yes, but to someone with strong religious convictions, faith is as good as fact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Much in the same way someone with schizophrenia might have faith in that their delusions and hallucinations are real and a fact?

 

 

 

Scientific facts are facts regardless of personal opinion, it can be repeated independently. If you ask someone why they believe in faith you will always receive a unique answer, people can believe what they want so long as it doesnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t get in the way of scientific fact. When it does get in the way, then it becomes a problem.

I believe that a God may well have created it, but it's definitely not the Biblical deity.

 

 

 

I have ripped most Christian ideals to shreds; I'm quite an iconoclast. Faith in the Bible (or any other holy book) is, to me, impossible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Creationists say that Existence is only several thousand years old. But think about it; in the universe, there are stars which are billions of lightyears away. For the light to have reached the Earth, the stars would have had to have been shining for billions of years, or the 'Deity' that created the universe would have had to create light en route to the earthjust to decieve us.

 

 

 

I would not worship a God which would lie to us so willingly.

For the light to have reached the Earth, the stars would have had to have been shining for billions of years, or the 'Deity' that created the universe would have had to create light en route to the earthjust to decieve us.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, in Genesis it does clearly state that God made light on the first day and the sun, moon and stars on the fourth.

Yes, maybe a "day" to "God" is a billion years or so?

A entire 6 days. This may seen short compared to the asumed 666 million years you said

 

 

 

Nobody said 666million years... 11 Billion years is the least estimate.

 

For the light to have reached the Earth, the stars would have had to have been shining for billions of years, or the 'Deity' that created the universe would have had to create light en route to the earthjust to decieve us.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, in Genesis it does clearly state that God made light on the first day and the sun, moon and stars on the fourth.

 

 

 

But why would that God create light appearing to be from the stars already coming to earth, for the sole purpose of our deception?

 

 

For the light to have reached the Earth, the stars would have had to have been shining for billions of years, or the 'Deity' that created the universe would have had to create light en route to the earthjust to decieve us.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, in Genesis it does clearly state that God made light on the first day and the sun, moon and stars on the fourth.

 

 

 

But why would that God create light appearing to be from the stars already coming to earth, for the sole purpose of our deception?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who's to say that it was solely to deceive us? Why couldn't it simply have been to give us light?

He works in mysterious ways. At least that's what the nuns used to tell me when I asked questions like that back in school.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If God exists and you ever meet her, perhaps you could ask.

He works in mysterious ways. At least that's what the nuns used to tell me when I asked questions like that back in school.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If God exists and you ever meet her, perhaps you could ask.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Heh, interesting point you've got there. We always refer to God as "Him," which I'd guess is mainly because that's the traditional way of doing so. But the way I see it, God is neither male nor female, but encompasses both genders.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Take Genesis 1:27, for example: "God created them in His own image; male and female he created them." To me that implies that God is both male and female.

 

 

 

Heh, interesting point you've got there. We always refer to God as "Him," which I'd guess is mainly because that's the traditional way of doing so. But the way I see it, God is neither male nor female, but encompasses both genders.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Probably hazard a guess to say dwarfie76 is female, so itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s probably just gender bias. I just don't get it myself, I stick with words like it, they or a generic term (e.g. your pet bird is pretty, instead of he is pretty) if you don't know the persons gender.

Probably hazard a guess to say dwarfie76 is female, so itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s probably just gender bias.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Um no... I have boy bits in my pants... rather impressive ones too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just put it in there to see if anyone was actually watching.

 

 

 

For the light to have reached the Earth, the stars would have had to have been shining for billions of years, or the 'Deity' that created the universe would have had to create light en route to the earthjust to decieve us.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, in Genesis it does clearly state that God made light on the first day and the sun, moon and stars on the fourth.

 

 

 

But why would that God create light appearing to be from the stars already coming to earth, for the sole purpose of our deception?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who's to say that it was solely to deceive us? Why couldn't it simply have been to give us light?

 

 

 

But why would we need starlight when we have both the Sun and the Moon?

 

 

 

Also, why would the Deity create the sun as being more than halfway through its cycle; why wouldn't It give us a young star, instead of a middle-aged one?

 

 

 

 

For the light to have reached the Earth, the stars would have had to have been shining for billions of years, or the 'Deity' that created the universe would have had to create light en route to the earthjust to decieve us.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, in Genesis it does clearly state that God made light on the first day and the sun, moon and stars on the fourth.

 

 

 

But why would that God create light appearing to be from the stars already coming to earth, for the sole purpose of our deception?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who's to say that it was solely to deceive us? Why couldn't it simply have been to give us light?

 

 

 

But why would we need starlight when we have both the Sun and the Moon?

 

 

 

Also, why would the Deity create the sun as being more than halfway through its cycle; why wouldn't It give us a young star, instead of a middle-aged one?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We may not need starlight, but isn't it pretty? (And peoples throughout history have used the stars to mark the seasons and such.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And who knows why he would give us a middle-aged star rather than a younger one? I don't know enough about stars to know if the difference would have any effect on earth. But if he doesn't intend for us to be around long enough for the sun to burn up anyway, I wouldn't think it would matter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(As an aside, it seems that most of what God created was already in the mature stages of its development. He creates an adult Adam, mature animals, fully formed land and seas, full-grown plants, and so forth. Why wouldn't he also make the sun to be in the middle stages of its life, or the stars with their light already reaching far?)