Curiousity drives a 15 year old, so I decided to post this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some Scientists believe in the 'Big Bang' theory. For those people who don't know of this theory:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The 'Universe' was packed into something the size of a molecule. It was incredibly dense. It then expanded. Then exploded. Supposedly, everything that came out of that is somewhere in our Universe. They say that the Universe is still going outwards from this great explosion. Now they are concerned about the Universe ending, then contracting, like and elastic band, back in on itself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Others believe in the Religious Aspect:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 - God Created Light and Dark, or something.Etc.. I'm not religious. I wouldn't know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some Religious scientists are now working on a theory called Intelligent Design: This is where they say there is a creator of the Universe and Earth, they say it could well be God, but that he, or her... Or someone else could not have possibly done it in 6 days. They say that is had taken 666 Million Years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then we get the more... Humerous approach.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For example:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There was a big log of wood.. The wood was moist from water vapour, producing a perfect reproducing area for bacterea or fungi. Then the fungi grew. The crevices being filled with water, producing rivers and lakes.... Etc. I don't want to go into detail with that aspect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is your view, and is there any evidence of it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-Mitch-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If any of my information is incorrect, please feel free to say so. And ignore the typo in the title. :roll:

 

 

 

The 'Universe' was packed into something the size of a molecule. It was incredibly dense. It then expanded. Then exploded. Supposedly, everything that came out of that is somewhere in our Universe. They say that the Universe is still going outwards from this great explosion. Now they are concerned about the Universe ending, then contracting, like and elastic band, back in on itself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If that actually happened, I wonder why it exploded...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Others believe in the Religious Aspect:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 - God Created Light and Dark, or something.Etc.. I'm not religious. I wouldn't know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Huh?? What do mean, religious? It's not a religion. It's a relationship with God.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some Religious scientists are now working on a theory called Intelligent Design: This is where they say there is a creator of the Universe and Earth, they say it could well be God, but that he, or her... Or someone else could not have possibly done it in 6 days. They say that is had taken 666 Million Years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

666? LOL

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then we get the more... Humerous approach.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For example:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There was a big log of wood.. The wood was moist from water vapour, producing a perfect reproducing area for bacterea or fungi. Then the fungi grew. The crevices being filled with water, producing rivers and lakes.... Etc. I don't want to go into detail with that aspect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is your view, and is there any evidence of it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-Mitch-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If any of my information is incorrect, please feel free to say so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How would bacteria or fungi from a big log of wood produce enough water to fill rivers and lakes??? If all there was, was a big log of wood, then where did the land come from?? :roll:

Hence the reason why I put the "Humerous Approach"... And Religion IS a relationship with God, apparently. I don't want this thread to turn into a religious debate. Quite the opposite of that. And read, the reason it exploded was due to how dense it actually was.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sheesh.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-Mitch-

 

 

 

 

The 'Universe' was packed into something the size of a molecule. It was incredibly dense. It then expanded. Then exploded. Supposedly, everything that came out of that is somewhere in our Universe. They say that the Universe is still going outwards from this great explosion. Now they are concerned about the Universe ending, then contracting, like and elastic band, back in on itself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If that actually happened, I wonder why it exploded...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Keep wonderin'. It's taken scientists years and they still haven't worked it out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Others believe in the Religious Aspect:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 - God Created Light and Dark, or something.Etc.. I'm not religious. I wouldn't know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Huh?? What do mean, religious? It's not a religion. It's a relationship with God.

 

 

 

 

 

 

God is part of religion. Thus, Mitch not being religious and all, he has no relationship with God.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some Religious scientists are now working on a theory called Intelligent Design: This is where they say there is a creator of the Universe and Earth, they say it could well be God, but that he, or her... Or someone else could not have possibly done it in 6 days. They say that is had taken 666 Million Years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

666? LOL

 

 

 

 

 

 

Basic math, some guesswork and a load of sad scientists. Do some research and you'll find this is widely believed. Although, I think it's actually each of the seven days is symbolic for 666 million years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then we get the more... Humerous approach.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For example:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There was a big log of wood.. The wood was moist from water vapour, producing a perfect reproducing area for bacterea or fungi. Then the fungi grew. The crevices being filled with water, producing rivers and lakes.... Etc. I don't want to go into detail with that aspect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is your view, and is there any evidence of it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-Mitch-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If any of my information is incorrect, please feel free to say so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How would bacteria or fungi from a big log of wood produce enough water to fill rivers and lakes??? If all there was, was a big log of wood, then where did the land come from??

 

 

 

 

 

 

I will elaborate on this theory as Mitch didn't explain it to its fullest extent. Also, it's a damn huge log of wood. What's your problem?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Earth was originally a giant piece of wood. Upon this piece of wood, happened to be some water. This made it slightly damp and in perfect condition for fungus. A rather large piece of fungus began to cover the piece of wood and eventually, it fell apart. The fungus floated off and the water gathered into the ridges and crevices that were formed within the piece of fungus. This created rivers and seas. The process of rainfall began (evaporation, precipitation, etc.) and created the perfect conditions for plants. Some magic seeds fell from the sky and began to grow into giant trees that each bore its own fruit. Every fruit broke open and out climbed an animal. And that, as they say, is that. I'd be atheist if it wasn't for this amazing theory.

I believe the Big Bang and Evolution are some of the best proofs for God ever devised.

I believe the Big Bang and Evolution are some of the best proofs for God ever devised.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Two things I've recently come up with. If God exists then can we assume, for the moment, that he would make us as "good" as possible. So, going with this idea, why don't teeth last a lifetime without brushing them and why isn't your entire body made of the skin that's on your elbow? (Tough stuff).

It doesn't really matter what theory someone picks because it will eventaully cross with another.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For example:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, so the Big Bang happened...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That one tiny particle condensed and then exploded in a firey mess.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay...grand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now tell me where that first particle came from. Certainly not from my back pocket or the frozen food aisle at your local grocer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Blah, whatever.

This is my post short, concise, miniscule, whatever you want to call it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The answer to life, the universe, and everything is:(highlight the below area to find out)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

42

This is my post short, concise, miniscule, whatever you want to call it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The answer to life, the universe, and everything is:(highlight the below area to find out)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

42

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, that is the answer. However, what is the question and where is the theory you were asked to provide about creation..?

It doesn't really matter what theory someone picks because it will eventaully cross with another.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For example:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, so the Big Bang happened...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That one tiny particle condensed and then exploded in a firey mess.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay...grand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now tell me where that first particle came from. Certainly not from my back pocket or the frozen food aisle at your local grocer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Blah, whatever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For all we know, we might not be the first. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There could have been a universe exactly the same as ours that contracted and became this particle. :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also energy can't be created, it's always been there. So you could say that we're an energy transfer.

Wow I just had a thought, it kinda hurt my brain because it's pretty deep :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What if the big bang theory did happen, and then there were multiple particles, then they all exploded into multiple universes. Also if they were from the same material or substance then they would create exact copies of each universe. There could be different forms of ourselves in other universes :shock:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[/theory]

and why isn't your entire body made of the skin that's on your elbow? (Tough stuff).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Technically speaking your entire body is covered in the exact same type of skin. Things like your knees, your elbows, your feet, etc. are tougher because of the life they've had. In the case of your elbows, you move your arms all the time, right? That stretches the skin there, and eventually all of that stretching causes it to be tougher.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow I just had a thought, it kinda hurt my brain because it's pretty deep :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What if the big bang theory did happen, and then there were multiple particles, then they all exploded into multiple universes. Also if they were from the same material or substance then they would create exact copies of each universe. There could be different forms of ourselves in other universes :shock:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[/theory]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not to burst your bubble, but, I'm a cynical [wagon]..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's actually really not very deep, especially if what you thought/theorized is exactly as you've put it down here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the particles were right next to eachother, they would've exploded into eachother, most likely. Also, just because they were created out of the same material, doesn't mean at all that they would've acted exactly the same.

I kind of believe in a mix of the theories. I believe that we came to earth from a big bang that was brought up by a higher level being like God, but that we evolved still, just with 'guidance' through it all from a God.

sonicwave42 wrote:

 

 

 

Ape wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The 'Universe' was packed into something the size of a molecule. It was incredibly dense. It then expanded. Then exploded. Supposedly, everything that came out of that is somewhere in our Universe. They say that the Universe is still going outwards from this great explosion. Now they are concerned about the Universe ending, then contracting, like and elastic band, back in on itself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If that actually happened, I wonder why it exploded...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Keep wonderin'. It's taken scientists years and they still haven't worked it out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, they have.

 

 

 

The Universe was initially a huge thingy of energy. The energy was compressed into something smaller than a atom. Then Time/Space began as the energy singularity exploded, then turned into matter and anti-matter.

 

 

 

As the result of the explosion the "walls" of the universe are still expanding(This has actually been proven by the Hubble Space Telescope). Sooner or later, some astro-physists believe that the universe will colapse back in on itself as the strain of the mass grows too large for the "walls" of the universe to hold. However even if they add in vast amounts of Dark Matter the amount of it goes nowhere near enough to collapse our universe.

 

 

 

The "end" of our Universe will most likely come when all the matter in the universe meets the anti-matter. When this happens the matter and anti-matter cancel eachother out and produce massive amounts of energy. This energy will most likely result in the creation of another big-bang.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where the energy came from or why it compressed is a mystery. Many claim this as the proof of Gods existence.

the big bang theory did never happened.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

just by an enormous ''bang'' the whole world, with ppl on it,

 

 

 

animals, on land, in the sea, all the plants, the sun, and lots more suddenly existed?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i believe that God made the whole world, i would never see the chemistry behind it, that ppl say that couldve happened.

 

sonicwave42 wrote:

 

 

 

Ape wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The 'Universe' was packed into something the size of a molecule. It was incredibly dense. It then expanded. Then exploded. Supposedly, everything that came out of that is somewhere in our Universe. They say that the Universe is still going outwards from this great explosion. Now they are concerned about the Universe ending, then contracting, like and elastic band, back in on itself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If that actually happened, I wonder why it exploded...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Keep wonderin'. It's taken scientists years and they still haven't worked it out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, they have.

 

 

 

The Universe was initially a huge thingy of energy. The energy was compressed into something smaller than a atom. Then Time/Space began as the energy singularity exploded, then turned into matter and anti-matter.

 

 

 

As the result of the explosion the "walls" of the universe are still expanding(This has actually been proven by the Hubble Space Telescope). Sooner or later, some astro-physists believe that the universe will colapse back in on itself as the strain of the mass grows too large for the "walls" of the universe to hold. However even if they add in vast amounts of Dark Matter the amount of it goes nowhere near enough to collapse our universe.

 

 

 

The "end" of our Universe will most likely come when all the matter in the universe meets the anti-matter. When this happens the matter and anti-matter cancel eachother out and produce massive amounts of energy. This energy will most likely result in the creation of another big-bang.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where the energy came from or why it compressed is a mystery. Many claim this as the proof of Gods existence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was reading a small article on dark matter a few weeks ago.. and I agreed with what it had to say, which was basically that dark matter doesn't exist. The only reason scientists theorize darkmatter is because supposedly things don't fit into the equations we have, the author of the article surmised that our equations were simply wrong, and it makes more sense to just rewrite the equations. Make a square hole. Don't pound a square peg into a round one.

I kind of believe in a mix of the theories. I believe that we came to earth from a big bang that was brought up by a higher level being like God, but that we evolved still, just with 'guidance' through it all from a God.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty much exactly what i believe. I don't really believe in an organised religion like Christianity because i see too many flaws in it, but i do believe in some sort of divine spirit, that decided on the laws of the universe.

the big bang theory did never happened.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did the same happen with your education?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyways, as said... The molecule/particle which exploded, thus the Big Bang theory could've formed out of other smaller particles. This debate could consist of "Well, how did that get there?" C'mon, we've can come up with better than that. Explain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-Mitch-

*just an opinion, im free to post*

*just an opinion, im free to post*

 

 

 

I think his point was that you obviously don't know anything about the Big Bang theory other than its name.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course it's up to if you want to base an opinion on..well, on no facts whatsoever, but it's not great for credibility.

the big bang theory did never happened.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

just by an enormous ''bang'' the whole world, with ppl on it,

 

 

 

animals, on land, in the sea, all the plants, the sun, and lots more suddenly existed?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nope. Over the course of 14 billion years the cosmic dust that was scattered by the big bang started to stick to eachother(Because of gravity) and the larger the particles got, the higher the gravity. So big hunks 'O cosmic dust formed. These eventually grew large enough to form stars... From stars? The stars went supernova which releases matter into the surrounding space. This forms planets.

 

I believe the Big Bang and Evolution are some of the best proofs for God ever devised.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Two things I've recently come up with. If God exists then can we assume, for the moment, that he would make us as "good" as possible. So, going with this idea, why don't teeth last a lifetime without brushing them and why isn't your entire body made of the skin that's on your elbow? (Tough stuff).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have a problem with your assumption, in that "good" is a very vague term, and can be equivocated on. Perhaps "good" as possible would require us to maintain our bodies, to learn to take care of ourselves, and this is part of how we do that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe it was John Hick who said that we need an imperfect world and the incentives it contains to improve ourselve and become moral persons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Think about worlds A and B. A is perfect, everyone is perfect, there is no bad, no evil. Without bad, and evil, there is nothing outstanding, nothing great, nothing making life worth living. It's like the Matrix, the people rejected the perfect world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

World B, however contains evil, things wrong, and this means there are things for us to overcome, to improve, life is so much more exciting!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can honestly say, I'd take world B over world A any day. Brushing teeth and imperfect skin.... just part of an imperfect world that I'd prefer I guess :)

 

 

sonicwave42 wrote:

 

 

 

Ape wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The 'Universe' was packed into something the size of a molecule. It was incredibly dense. It then expanded. Then exploded. Supposedly, everything that came out of that is somewhere in our Universe. They say that the Universe is still going outwards from this great explosion. Now they are concerned about the Universe ending, then contracting, like and elastic band, back in on itself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If that actually happened, I wonder why it exploded...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Keep wonderin'. It's taken scientists years and they still haven't worked it out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, they have.

 

 

 

The Universe was initially a huge thingy of energy. The energy was compressed into something smaller than a atom. Then Time/Space began as the energy singularity exploded, then turned into matter and anti-matter.

 

 

 

As the result of the explosion the "walls" of the universe are still expanding(This has actually been proven by the Hubble Space Telescope). Sooner or later, some astro-physists believe that the universe will colapse back in on itself as the strain of the mass grows too large for the "walls" of the universe to hold. However even if they add in vast amounts of Dark Matter the amount of it goes nowhere near enough to collapse our universe.

 

 

 

The "end" of our Universe will most likely come when all the matter in the universe meets the anti-matter. When this happens the matter and anti-matter cancel eachother out and produce massive amounts of energy. This energy will most likely result in the creation of another big-bang.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where the energy came from or why it compressed is a mystery. Many claim this as the proof of Gods existence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was reading a small article on dark matter a few weeks ago.. and I agreed with what it had to say, which was basically that dark matter doesn't exist. The only reason scientists theorize darkmatter is because supposedly things don't fit into the equations we have, the author of the article surmised that our equations were simply wrong, and it makes more sense to just rewrite the equations. Make a square hole. Don't pound a square peg into a round one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then how do you explain the gravitic anomalies that we keep recording around certain quasars and black holes?

 

 

 

And for the record... Dark matter was not contrived because some equations did not fall-out clean. I think you are referring to the theory that the Universe will collapse back in on itself because of the "Weight" of all the mass on the "Walls". However when put into equation the amount of mass neeed to collapse the "Walls" of the Universe was actually quite larger than the actually amount of recorded mass in our universe. Therefore to explain this lack of mass the astro-physists tried to put a significant amount of Dark Matter into the equation. However even then, there wasn't enough.

 

 

 

However Dark Matter was first proposed to explain the gravitic anomalies not the lack of mass.

 

 

 

sonicwave42 wrote:

 

 

 

Ape wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The 'Universe' was packed into something the size of a molecule. It was incredibly dense. It then expanded. Then exploded. Supposedly, everything that came out of that is somewhere in our Universe. They say that the Universe is still going outwards from this great explosion. Now they are concerned about the Universe ending, then contracting, like and elastic band, back in on itself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If that actually happened, I wonder why it exploded...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Keep wonderin'. It's taken scientists years and they still haven't worked it out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, they have.

 

 

 

The Universe was initially a huge thingy of energy. The energy was compressed into something smaller than a atom. Then Time/Space began as the energy singularity exploded, then turned into matter and anti-matter.

 

 

 

As the result of the explosion the "walls" of the universe are still expanding(This has actually been proven by the Hubble Space Telescope). Sooner or later, some astro-physists believe that the universe will colapse back in on itself as the strain of the mass grows too large for the "walls" of the universe to hold. However even if they add in vast amounts of Dark Matter the amount of it goes nowhere near enough to collapse our universe.

 

 

 

The "end" of our Universe will most likely come when all the matter in the universe meets the anti-matter. When this happens the matter and anti-matter cancel eachother out and produce massive amounts of energy. This energy will most likely result in the creation of another big-bang.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where the energy came from or why it compressed is a mystery. Many claim this as the proof of Gods existence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was reading a small article on dark matter a few weeks ago.. and I agreed with what it had to say, which was basically that dark matter doesn't exist. The only reason scientists theorize darkmatter is because supposedly things don't fit into the equations we have, the author of the article surmised that our equations were simply wrong, and it makes more sense to just rewrite the equations. Make a square hole. Don't pound a square peg into a round one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then how do you explain the gravitic anomalies that we keep recording around certain quasars and black holes?

 

 

 

And for the record... Dark matter was not contrived because some equations did not fall-out clean. I think you are referring to the theory that the Universe will collapse back in on itself because of the "Weight" of all the mass on the "Walls". However when put into equation the amount of mass neeed to collapse the "Walls" of the Universe was actually quite larger than the actually amount of recorded mass in our universe. Therefore to explain this lack of mass the astro-physists tried to put a significant amount of Dark Matter into the equation. However even then, there wasn't enough.

 

 

 

However Dark Matter was first proposed to explain the gravitic anomalies not the lack of mass.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I guess I'm not farmiliar with the gravitic anomolies.. could you explain them, or provide links to readings on the subject?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re-reading the article, the equation(s) are those of gravitational pull, that galaxies don't have enough mass to hold themselves together in the way that they do, and that they should be falling apart.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dunno, I obviously am not extremely knowledgeable on the subject... so, let me know if I'm just spouting crap.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(none of the above was intended to be rude or otherwise insulting)