February 13, 200620 yr First off, I want to make something clear... The Qur'an forbids any depiction of any prophet - including Mohammed, Jesus, Moses.... and of course God/Allah. Which only applies to followers of Islam, the cartoons weren't drawn by Muslims. Why aren't these rioters upset over Christians drawing Jesus?
February 13, 200620 yr First off, I want to make something clear... The Qur'an forbids any depiction of any prophet - including Mohammed, Jesus, Moses.... and of course God/Allah. Which only applies to followers of Islam, the cartoons weren't drawn by Muslims. Why aren't these rioters upset over Christians drawing Jesus? its still mocking Islam Stunner is in the house! Make some noise please?
February 13, 200620 yr everything is filtered through the government. OT: Prove this statement before saying it. In the media all the time, its common to hear "A Muslim man.." "A Islamic man..". You know its true... not once would you ever hear "A Christian man.." "A Buddhist man.." Media is biased. Its a tool for the government so they can get society consent. When Bush envaded Iraq, for example. Bush said they had weapons of mass destruction, flooded the media and manipulated everyone to believe Saddamm had chemical weapons. Once you have public consent, you can get away with a lot of things. And there were no weapons of mass destruction.. I'm a Christian. For so long have I seen many comics and many jokes told about a Catholic Priest molesting a child or something like that.. there are many Islam jokes but there are just as many Christian jokes, though they are not blown out by the media because the Christians dont frankly care. But to the post above you, I agree that you should be angered. The newspaper was attacking Islam by defaming the Prophet Mohammed, and you are also right that the extremists take it too far.
February 13, 200620 yr I dont believe that.... I cant trust the media anymore, everything is filtered through the government. Maybe in your country but certainly not in the uK. Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12
February 13, 200620 yr First off, I want to make something clear... The Qur'an forbids any depiction of any prophet - including Mohammed, Jesus, Moses.... and of course God/Allah. Which only applies to followers of Islam, the cartoons weren't drawn by Muslims. Why aren't these rioters upset over Christians drawing Jesus? its still mocking Islam And depicting Jews as Nazis doesn't hurt anyone? Atleast they didn't got nuts at the Muslim artists.
February 13, 200620 yr This will obviously cause some violence. If it "obviously" causes violence, then isn't it proven that these people are violent? What I believe is that it is a direct attack against Islam. Burning someone else his flag is not an direct attack? IMO burning someone's flag is a direct declaration of war, nothing more and nothing less. And people in middle-east countries have been doing that for decades now. BUT THERE IS NO APOLOGY! No, why should we? As a reaction on the cartoons (which are allowed by our laws in our countries) the extremist muslims burn down embassies and as a result people are killed to - and you find that we should apologize? I fail to comprehend that logic. "I even believe this is way worse than saying the Holocaust never happened.." -- You know what, I think that to be true.. That's exactly the problem, the cartoons are blown up to be something more important then the lives of 6 million people. Tell you what, an insult can never be more important then the life of even only one person. The value of my bank at its height. Estimated value at the peak of the rares market: 250 billion+.Most likely the largest trade in RuneScape ever. Estimated value at the peak of the rares market: 70 billion+.
February 13, 200620 yr I dont believe that.... I cant trust the media anymore, everything is filtered through the government. Maybe in your country but certainly not in the uK. Exactly, in fact part of the headache that modern politics has is the media, since they're practically uncontrollable they can react in any way and often deliberately publish things that the government would never want to get out. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo"
February 13, 200620 yr This will obviously cause some violence. If it "obviously" causes violence, then isn't it proven that these people are violent? What I believe is that it is a direct attack against Islam. Burning someone else his flag is not an direct attack? IMO burning someone's flag is a direct declaration of war, nothing more and nothing less. And people in middle-east countries have been doing that for decades now. BUT THERE IS NO APOLOGY! No, why should we? As a reaction on the cartoons (which are allowed by our laws in our countries) the extremist muslims burn down embassies and as a result people are killed to - and you find that we should apologize? I fail to comprehend that logic. "I even believe this is way worse than saying the Holocaust never happened.." -- You know what, I think that to be true.. That's exactly the problem, the cartoons are blown up to be something more important then the lives of 6 million people. Tell you what, an insult can never be more important then the life of even only one person. There obviously going to be violence when you break one of the highest laws in Islam. And you should apologize! The cartoons are calling muslims terrorists, and your discriminating against one specific group, which is morally wrong. Making fun of an icon is morally wrong! If it were Jesus, you and every single person would stand up and demand an apology. And its not an insult, its a violation of Islamic law. And Islamic law has harsh consquences, whether it is morally acceptable to the masses or not, the Middle Eastern society will act on what they think is the nesscessary consequences. In Khazakstan we say God, Man, Horse, Dog, then Woman, Rat and small cockroach..M.A.D 4 Lyfe
February 13, 200620 yr There obviously going to be violence when you break one of the highest laws in Islam. Do you really think that's a good thing? So much for Islam being a peaceful religion. The cartoons are calling muslims terrorists ...and you're proving them right by condoning violence. Congratulations. Making fun of an icon is morally wrong! If it were Jesus, you and every single person would stand up and demand an apology. Perhaps the Islamic world needs to learn to practice what they preach; Islamic papers are well known for printing distasteful images relating to Nazism, Judaism and the holocaust. You also clearly have no idea what you're talking about, there have been cartoons mocking Jesus around for a very long time. In niether of these cases do you see Christians/Jews calling for holy war. Middle Eastern society will act on what they think is the nesscessary consequences. Good for them, but they can do it as far away from my country as possible. If your posts are anything to go by (which they aren't), Kryptic, then Muslims are a violent, hypocritical and arrogant group of people, so don't be suprised when people draw cartoons insulting you, and don't expect an apology.
February 13, 200620 yr There obviously going to be violence when you break one of the highest laws in Islam. And you should apologize! The cartoons are calling muslims terrorists, and your discriminating against one specific group, which is morally wrong. Making fun of an icon is morally wrong! If it were Jesus, you and every single person would stand up and demand an apology. And its not an insult, its a violation of Islamic law. And Islamic law has harsh consquences, whether it is morally acceptable to the masses or not, the Middle Eastern society will act on what they think is the nesscessary consequences. Don't go telling people do not be immoral, and then turn around and say it is all right if they think it is nesscesary. Guess what, there have been cartoons that have made fun of Jesus, but guess what the Christians aren't burning all the muslim buildings. Step of your Stepstool, and realize that people are going way overboard. Yes Discriminating against one group is wrong, but it also works both ways. I think it is great that Islamic has such high laws and stuff. But guess what not all people are Islamic so while those laws are in place, they don't exactly affect people who aren't muslim. You need to look at this more neutally, both sides have wronged the other side, but this is blowing up way out of control. Your true character is what you are like when you believe there are no repercussions.
February 13, 200620 yr Do you really think that's a good thing? So much for Islam being a peaceful religion. What do you expect?? You draw pictures making fun of one of the most important people in Islam, and expect Muslims to sit back and laugh at it. ...and you're proving them right by condoning violence. Congratulations. Understand that Muslims live their lives trying to follow Islamic law. When they see a violation, they will act. And just because one is violent, doesnt mean they are terrorists. And did you even know that there are more Terrorists in Europe than in the Middle East? Perhaps the Islamic world needs to learn to practice what they preach; Islamic papers are well known for printing distasteful images relating to Nazism, Judaism and the holocaust. The only Islamic papers I could think of is The Qur'an. And Im 100% positive the Qur'an does not disrespect no religion, person, or group. You also clearly have no idea what you're talking about, there have been cartoons mocking Jesus around for a very long time. In niether of these cases do you see Christians calling for holy war. Ok, so you think it would be ok if one were to draw Jesus wearing a Turban/Bomb? And this holy war bit I keep hearing about: Let me educate you... This is not seen as a holy war by anyone! Everyone has a misconception of what "Jihad" means. Jihad means when one chooses to go to war, to fight for the country/land. "Honey, I am going to Jihad" or "Honey, I am going to fight for my country" Jihad in no way means Holy War! This is a stupid idea the media came up with, and flooded all your minds with. If your posts are anything to go by, Kryptic, then Muslims are a violent, hypocritical and arrogant group of people, so don't be suprised when people draw cartoons insulting you, and don't expect an apology. Everyone has their point of view, yours is obviously a negative one towards Muslims. And thats ok. Your perspective to what I read is different to what I tried to get across, and thats your loss. In Khazakstan we say God, Man, Horse, Dog, then Woman, Rat and small cockroach..M.A.D 4 Lyfe
February 13, 200620 yr Don't go telling people do not be immoral, and then turn around and say it is all right if they think it is nesscesary. Guess what, there have been cartoons that have made fun of Jesus, but guess what the Christians aren't burning all the muslim buildings. Step of your Stepstool, and realize that people are going way overboard. Yes Discriminating against one group is wrong, but it also works both ways. I think it is great that Islamic has such high laws and stuff. But guess what not all people are Islamic so while those laws are in place, they don't exactly affect people who aren't muslim. You need to look at this more neutally, both sides have wronged the other side, but this is blowing up way out of control. In no way am I supporting or justifying what the Middle Eastern community is doing. As I said before, I personally would take other more peaceful steps, and recieve an apology. Also, I think the only reason everyone became violent, is bceause of everyones inability to apologize! Its sorta like this.... You draw a picture that is offensive, your expected to apologize. You decide you dont want to say sorry, but this picture is very offensive. Offensive to the point where it attacks a religion. It is immoral not to apologize, so who ever thinks the picture is offensive is going to act immorally as well. You cant be negative to someone and expect them to sit laugh it off, be positive back, or expect them to forgive you when you dont apologize. Immoral acts grow from other immoral acts. In Khazakstan we say God, Man, Horse, Dog, then Woman, Rat and small cockroach..M.A.D 4 Lyfe
February 13, 200620 yr What do you expect?? You draw pictures making fun of one of the most important people in Islam, and expect Muslims to sit back and laugh at it. No, I expect them to be civilized and take it on the chin. I've been insulted in the past, but I haven't burned anyone's house down. Understand that Muslims live their lives trying to follow Islamic law. When they see a violation, they will act. And just because one is violent, doesnt mean they are terrorists. They are using violence to try to indimidate people into doing what you want (i.e. apologise). That is terrorism, the fact you're doing it for your religion has nothing to do with it. The only Islamic papers I could think of is The Qur'an. And Im 100% positive the Qur'an does not disrespect no religion, person, or group. When I say Islamic papers I mean news papers owned, run and written by Muslims. You knew that, you're just trying to look intelligent (and failing miserably). Ok, so you think it would be ok if one were to draw Jesus wearing a Turban/Bomb? I honestly couldn't care less - I'm not Christian. Most (all) Christians I know wouldn't care either. I never said Jihad. Everyone has their point of view, yours is obviously a negative one towards Muslims. And thats ok. Your perspective to what I read is different to what I tried to get across, and thats your loss. I am not negative towards all Muslims, I am negative towards Muslim fanatics like you. For the record, I'm not a fan of Christian fanatics either, but this post isn't about them.
February 13, 200620 yr No, I expect them to be civilized and take it on the chin. I've been insulted in the past, but I haven't burned anyone's house down. Civilized? do you know who you are talking about? These people have nothing to live for, little or no education, and see this as a chance to do something in their life. First why dont you understand the conditions inwhich this people live in, then understand if you Diss Islam, your going get trouble by these people! You are trying to indimidate people into doing what you want. That is terrorism, the fact you're doing it for your relgion has nothing to do with it. They are fighting for their religion! Are you that stupid? Do you watch the news? Did you not hear of the picture they drew, stomping the crap out of Islam? If religion had nothing to do with it, then no one would be violent, and it wouldnt be such a big problem. I am not negative towards all Muslims, I am negative towards Muslim fanatics like you. Where did you get the idea that I am Muslim? Did I once say I was Muslim?! And Im not a fanatic, Im opinionated. In Khazakstan we say God, Man, Horse, Dog, then Woman, Rat and small cockroach..M.A.D 4 Lyfe
February 13, 200620 yr They are fighting for their religion! Are you that stupid? Do you watch the news? Did you not hear of the picture they drew, stomping the crap out of Islam? If religion had nothing to do with it, then no one would be violent, and it wouldnt be such a big problem. I know perfectly well that they are fighting for their religion, but that doesn't make what they're doing right. I could go on a arson spree and claim it was in defence of my religion, but it wouldn't make it right. Where did you get the idea that I am Muslim? Did I once say I was Muslim?! And Im not a fanatic, Im opinionated. I apologise if you're not a Muslim, but I'd be genuinely suprised if you weren't. Just like you seemed to assume I was Christian and would care if some insulted Jesus. Edit: Changed they're -> their
February 13, 200620 yr I know perfectly well that they are fighting for they're religion, but that doesn't make what they're doing right. I could go on a arson spree and claim it was in defence of my religion, but it wouldn't make it right. 3rd time saying this, Im no way justifying anyones actions. I personally would take peaceful methods to get what I want. I apologise if you're not a Muslim, but I'd be genuinely suprised if you weren't. Just like you seemed to assume I was Christian and would care if some insulted Jesus. Apology excepted, and I didnt assume anything of you. I used Christianity as an excample. In Khazakstan we say God, Man, Horse, Dog, then Woman, Rat and small cockroach..M.A.D 4 Lyfe
February 13, 200620 yr This is not seen as a holy war by anyone! They are fighting for their religion! :roll: The value of my bank at its height. Estimated value at the peak of the rares market: 250 billion+.Most likely the largest trade in RuneScape ever. Estimated value at the peak of the rares market: 70 billion+.
February 13, 200620 yr What I meant was that they are fighting to protect their religion.. In Khazakstan we say God, Man, Horse, Dog, then Woman, Rat and small cockroach..M.A.D 4 Lyfe
February 13, 200620 yr Yeah Kryptic, I applaud you for not getting all upset and calling people names. But as Duke pointed out, You really seem to be contradicting yourself a lot. Your true character is what you are like when you believe there are no repercussions.
February 13, 200620 yr Well its kinda hard to defend something I really dont understand myself. But the reason I chose this side is because, its too easy to say Muslims are violent bla bla bla... but there has to be something to it. Pictures depicting any relgious figure negatively is wrong. And I tried to get that out, but using this issue in particular. And I know Islam is a peaceful religion, Ive lived in the Middle East in a completely muslim community, and they accepted me for who I am. I preformed their rituals of fasting for the holy month, prayed at a mosque, even if I wasnt Muslim, they alowed me to practise their religion. Muslims are getting such a bad wrap, for being, from all I know, really really nice people. In Khazakstan we say God, Man, Horse, Dog, then Woman, Rat and small cockroach..M.A.D 4 Lyfe
February 13, 200620 yr The regular Muslims legally protested. The extremists Muslims resorted to terroristic actions. From personal experience it seems to me that people really do understand that difference. I know that it seems people tend to lump all Muslims together but I've found that most people really don't stereotype the average Muslim with the extremists. This is the way the world ends. Look at this [bleep]ing shit we're in man. Not with a bang, but with a whimper. And with a whimper, I'm splitting, Jack.
February 18, 200620 yr Update: Apparently some Clerics from Pakistan have offered a $1,000,000 bounty on the cartoonist who drew the cartoons... http://news.google.com/?ncl=http://toda ... alse&hl=en :shock: I know the price. I pay it gladly.
February 18, 200620 yr not surprised.... In Khazakstan we say God, Man, Horse, Dog, then Woman, Rat and small cockroach..M.A.D 4 Lyfe
February 19, 200620 yr Update: Apparently some Clerics from Pakistan have offered a $1,000,000 bounty on the cartoonist who drew the cartoons... http://news.google.com/?ncl=http://toda ... alse&hl=en :shock: Utterly ridiculous... It's a cartoon. Get over it.
February 19, 200620 yr Another 16 people dead over the weekend because of the riots. Crazy world we live in. Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12
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