Admin Edit: Do NOT use this thread to flame an entire faith or people. Keep your comments to the protesters who are acting violently. ~ Newptor

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's some weird stuff going on in the Middle East, here's a quick recap of the current situation in Syria: A few days ago a newspaper in Denmark printed a few political cartoons about the Middle East, and one showed Mohammed with a bomb shaped turban. This angered Muslims around the world since it mocks them and gave the impression that they are a violent religion. In retaliation they boycotted Danish goods and started yelling Ji-had in the streets. To show support for free speech, France, Norway, Spain, and a few other countries printed the images as well; now Muslims in Syria burned down the embassies of Denmark and Norway and continue rioting as we speak.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My point is, does anyone else find it odd they're rioting in protest of a cartoon that "portrayed their religion as a violent one"

My point is, does anyone else find it odd they're rioting in protest of a cartoon that "portrayed their religion as a violent one"

The ironing is delicious.

They have gotten themselves into a complete hissy fit. A couple of the local New Zealand papers have republished the cartoons, and the state broadcasting have showed them several times.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They just have to toughen up and stop being overly sensitive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pictures of the riots, members of the religion of peace protesting, ect

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Link

So much for the religion of peace, eh?

If the Muslims reaction to the comic is considered ridiculous then the other countries printing that comic just to make a point about free speech is ridiculous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In my humble opinion.

Just a update I read....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As reported in this newspaper yesterday, it turns out that a group of Danish imams circulated the images to brethren in Muslim countries. When they did so, they included in their package three other, much more offensive cartoons which had not appeared in Jyllands-Posten but were lumped together so that many thought they had.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main ... do0402.xml

Well supposedly it is blasphemous to depict Mohammed in any way, shape or form and that's why the entire Muslim world is upset.

If the Muslims reaction to the comic is considered ridiculous then the other countries printing that comic just to make a point about free speech is ridiculous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In my humble opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respect goes both ways. You have to give to receive. With Muslims, it's not like that. They'll behead you if you offend them, but they're allowed to say anything they want (i.e. Israel).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well supposedly it is blasphemous to depict Mohammed in any way, shape or form and that's why the entire Muslim world is upset.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The irony is that they're actually proving that Islam is not a religion of peace at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.

I didnt know what the fuzz was about but after I saw the comics, I understand why they would get offended...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The virgin one was funny though. :?

I think the whole situation is ridiculous, starting with the comics.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They're offensive, they're making fun of many people's beliefs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then other countries republished them to prove their freedom of speech?!!? Ridiculous, immature, and sad. I don't blame the muslims one bit.

I think it's their right to be angry and to protest the cartoons, but burning down embassies is not the way to do it. These extremists are simply ruining the image of their religion-- not a good thing to be doing at this time..

Each and every one responsible for this attack on liberty should be hunted down like animals, as should those in power who are now encouraging acts of violence, including the leader of Hamas. I don't care whatsoever if people want to belive in a religion, keep my rights away from it. Freedom of speech must NEVER be allowed to be restricted by fanatics.

They have the right to be angry, those comics are extremely stupid.

Putting things on fire for some comics is just retarted, every single one of those extremists should start going to school and stop acting like some undereducated animal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's only a religion , I find it offensive that people think that laughing with religion is worse then putting building on fire or even killing human.

This quote from Washington is quite a good summary of my opinion on the situation:

 

 

 

"We all fully recognize and respect freedom of the press and expression, but it must be coupled with press responsibility. Inciting religious or ethnic hatreds in this manner is not acceptable."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for the protests inciting violence, and the actual violent actions of protestors in the Middle East - of course those are way out of line and should not have happened. Peaceful protest, as happened here in London yesterday on Saturday, is the way to bring across our point

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So much for the religion of peace, eh?

 

 

 

Let's not judge the religion by the actions of the people eh?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They just have to toughen up and stop being overly sensitive.

 

 

 

Yea, lets stereotype ALL of more than a billion Muslims around the world as terrorists and bombers and then class their reactions as 'overly sensitive'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Freedom of speech must NEVER be allowed to be restricted by fanatics.

 

 

 

There is the matter of being responsible when using our right of freedom of speech. The press already self-censors many topics that they would not dare deal with in the same way. Do you think we'd see cartoons pointing fun at issues such as child abuse, the holocaust and other sensitive topics?

 

 

 

There is the matter of being responsible when using our right of freedom of speech. The press already self-censors many topics that they would not dare deal with in the same way. Do you think we'd see cartoons pointing fun at issues such as child abuse, the holocaust and other sensitive topics?

I see no problem with self-censoring topics that can cause problems. However, I see a MAJOR problem with others censoring such topics. Who is to decide which topics are suitable and which are not, the opinion-police? I don't care if they publish comics of the most horrible sort, I value freedom much higher than this kind of ethics. Freedom is not a priviledge that you or anyone can take away (which the term 'responsible use' seems to suggest), it is a right.

The reaction of (extreme) Muslims is disproportional, hypocritical and ridiculous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.outpost911.com/ is a website that contains many depictions of Muhammed, old and new and some openly sold in Islamic countries. It appears that Muslims have either had their eyes shut for serveral hundred years, or that images of the prophet aren't that offensive after all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What's worse is that all the fuss that's being made over these cartoons is completely hypocritical given the heavily anti-semitic cartoons shown in Islamic newspapers (Mild examples Edit: and some more)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What's more, the law doesn't seem to be doing it's job. Take, for example, the protests in London. In these protests a group of fundementalist Islamics marched down the road with placards inciting "jihad" with such slogans as "Slay those who insult Islam" and "Europe you'll come crawling when Mujahideen come roaring".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If a western group held a similar rally, but against Islam, I am positive they would be arrested immediately.

 

 

 

So much for the religion of peace, eh?

 

 

 

Let's not judge the religion by the actions of the people eh?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That would be pretty hard since Muslims who condemn these acts rarely speak up, letting these extremists create the whole representation of Islam for non-Muslims.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yes there is a legitamate reason to get worked up about this BUT its a massive over reaction.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll take the riots in London as an example, people were holding signs saying things like "Freedom of Speech go to Hell". Right, thats ludicrous they were exercising precisely that right by protesting, next time perhaps the police should take the words of the protestors as a self evident truth? Maybe the police should forcabley remove their freedom of speech seeing as they are willing to use it in such a dangerous way. It is a two way system, the protestors don't want cartoonists to have freedom of speech so why should they get it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Similarly there were placards saying "Europe is the cancer, Islam the answer", so these people are more than happy to live in a Western country with a National Health Service, Free Education System, Freedom of Speech etc yet complain about the laws of the country? They could leave the "cancerous" Europe.

If your god is so weak that he needs to be defended by violence, then you need a better god.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The recent events have shown that the democratic west has been far to tolerant of those who abuse the hospitality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Go to their countries and behave like that, and your feet wouldn't touch the ground!

Respect goes both ways. You have to give to receive. With Muslims, it's not like that. They'll behead you if you offend them, but they're allowed to say anything they want (i.e. Israel).

Let me just say that I strongly disagree with the burning of the embassies and anyone involved needs to be dealt with. Violence hardly ever solves anything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But, what I was saying is:

 

 

 

1. The original comic was published.

 

 

 

2. The Muslims protested.

 

 

 

3. The other countries started printing the comic to make a point about freedom of speech.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't agree with 3. What point were they trying to make? Certainly the Muslims were just exercising the same freedom of speech that the other countries were trying to make a point about, weren't they? I believe that the other countries doing what they did was unneeded and they should have known that they would accomplish nothing except angering the Muslims further and to say that the Muslims are the only people that did anything wrong in this situation is simply wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know all of that has probably been said, I just wanted to clarify what my point was.

If your god is so weak that he needs to be defended by violence, then you need a better god.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what a ludicrous comment, you cannot possibly say that the actions of these people in any way denotes the feelings or actions of the religious following as a whole. Neither can you say that a God of any type is responsible for these peoples actions, as has previously been said, islam is generally a peaceful religion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Way to flame large percentage of the worlds population.

There is the matter of being responsible when using our right of freedom of speech. The press already self-censors many topics that they would not dare deal with in the same way. Do you think we'd see cartoons pointing fun at issues such as child abuse, the holocaust and other sensitive topics?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:roll: :oops:

 

 

 

Lashing out at sensitice issues, check

 

 

 

Responsibilty level, Lacking

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These people are using the very rights they are protesting against:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Without freedom of speech he would be hospitalised if not dead, it is solely due to the freedom of speech granted to him that he can protest without reporcussions

I see no problem with self-censoring topics that can cause problems. However, I see a MAJOR problem with others censoring such topics. Who is to decide which topics are suitable and which are not, the opinion-police? I don't care if they publish comics of the most horrible sort, I value freedom much higher than this kind of ethics. Freedom is not a priviledge that you or anyone can take away (which the term 'responsible use' seems to suggest), it is a right.

 

 

 

No, I am not suggesting taking away the right of freedom of speech. In fact I value this right having lived in the UK for most of my life. It seems very obvious to me that labelling a whole religion as terrorists does not need the "opinion-police" to decide that it would be a sensitive and offensive issue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The reaction of (extreme) Muslims is disproportional, hypocritical and ridiculous.

 

 

 

Absolutely agreed. The friday protests (which is where all the above images are from) here in London were disgusting and I'd agree with the shadow home affairs minister here who suggested that they should all be prosecuted for incitement to violence and murder.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That would be pretty hard since Muslims who condemn these acts rarely speak up, letting these extremists create the whole representation of Islam for non-Muslims.

 

 

 

I would put this, partially, down to the media coverage who often focus on extremists. They make a better story than the normal expected condemnations from us moderate Muslims (affectionately called M&M's in one blog I read, lol). However, I do agree with you that moderate Muslim leaders - political and religious - have been lacking in making their voices heard. Also, I highly doubt you'll be hearing calls for calm from the leaders of the middle eastern countries as its in their interest to divert attention to the west and from their failings in running their countries.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ps - this blog discussion has quite an interesting and mostly cvilised discussion regarding the important issues surrounding this.

 

 

 

 

So much for the religion of peace, eh?

 

 

 

Let's not judge the religion by the actions of the people eh?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That would be pretty hard since Muslims who condemn these acts rarely speak up, letting these extremists create the whole representation of Islam for non-Muslims.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quite understandable since we do live in the Western world and listen to Western media like Eeeeediot said.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Besides, muslims I know (people the same age group as me) dont really have much to say about that issue...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dont get me wrong, they dont like what islamic fundamentalists are doing, but they can't do much about either...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PS, are you in a Catholic school, Shadow?