Jagex gets rich from MACROERS?

[RAHK]

Ok, I have a kind of cynical view on Jagex's view on macroers so please bear with me and read the whole thing before I get instantly flamb̮̩̉̉ed to a crisp. :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex, Ltd. is a company. Companies like this really useful thing called money. Companies tend to do whatever is legal to get more of that nifty thing. Notice that I said "legal" and not some more ambiguous word like "moral".

 

 

 

Initially, in RSC, the company had very direct and personal ties with the community. They actually went in-game and spoke with people about the game and what they liked/disliked. During this time they were less of a "company" and more of a... for lack of a better term lets say "club owner". In this club they had a bunch of faces that they did not know but everyone knew them. As they put more time and effort into this "club" it became more and more popular resulting in more and more profit and work. This forced the "club owners" to hire more people to assist them with the work and allowed them to pay those people and reap a nice profit. As both of these scaled upwards they had to spend less time with the people who frequented the "club" (the RSC community) and more time dealing with "management" duties... and enjoying that useful thing called money. This resulted in them eventually being indifferent to the humdrum concerns of the members of their "club" and losing touch with RSC community in the way that they had been previously.

 

 

 

NOTE: Everything in brown is simply what I have gathered from forums and other sources of people's thoughts/rants about "the good old days". Since I joined the Runescape community quite recently compared to most I have no first-hand knowledge of this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That was my understanding of how Jagex evolved from a close-knit community of gamers and designers to the company that it is today. Being a company that now has it's eyes set on the bottom-line they would prefer to do things that MAKES them money as opposed to things that LOSE or, more to the point in my discussion, do not make them AS MUCH money (yes, in essence they are the same but you will get my meaning in a second).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, all of that was just to point out that Jagex likes money and will do anything legal (as do nearly all other companies) to get more of it. Now put that on the back burner for a second while I discuss macroers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are (to my knowledge) two general categories of Macroers:

 

 

 

1. Those who macro to raise stats and/or raise their gp.

 

 

 

2. Those who macro to raise gp and then sell that gp for real world cash.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Both of these groups make Jagex money by paying for multiple accounts. Jagex makes a ton of money off of the member accounts alone (remember magics, flax, sharks, and other insanely popular member-only macro spots). They also benefit in other, less tangible ways.

 

 

 

Group 1 macroers are dedicated to improving their characters which would only be important if they planned on playing long-term. If you had to bet on who would play for longer (thereby making you more cash) between a brand new member or a brand new member with macros to cut out the tedious tasks and increase his in-game accolades who do you think would be here 2 years from now?

 

 

 

Group 2 macroers keep the lazy and rich (in real life) interested in the game since they can continue to pad their virtual wallets with gp.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now if Jagex, the COMPANY that wants to make money, MAKES money off of them, why, oh why, would they want to ban them? Don't bother mentioning morality or ethics because those things have a pretty hard time competing with dollar signs and euros in the business world. Honestly, if it is legal then it is fair game. I am not saying that this is right at all, I am simply stating facts as they now are.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, now that you can see why I believe that Jagex WANTS macroers I would like to point to why they do NOT want macroers... and why this has little effect.

 

 

 

Gamers resent cheaters. Seeing the large amount of cheaters makes honest gamers mad and makes it seem impossible to ever achieve the goals that macroers can achieve with relative ease. It is frustrating to see the immoral get ahead while those of us who do the right thing never seem to advance fast enough. All of these things cost them customers and makes people less likely to tell others of the game.

 

 

 

Jagex, like anybody else in any kind of community be it business or pleasure, would prefer to do things the honest, moral way since it tends to be more popular. :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, being the intelligent entity that it is, how can Jagex reap the benefits of having macroers without suffering the consequences? They obviously cannot let it get so bad that every single resource is occupied by a bot otherwise the whole community will collapse and they will no longer have ANYBODY to pay them. Here is their solution (and I have to admit that it is obviously clever enough to work for this long):

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Keeping Macroers in Check - They threaten with their rules and their occasional comments that they look at cheaters in a VERY negative light. This scares off the majority of "possible macroers" due to the fact that they don't want their mains banned but still allows plenty of those who can see through their lies... Remember Jagex is a COMPANY who likes that useful thing called money. If they can legally lie and make more money why wouldn't they?

 

 

 

2. Keeping Their Larger Customer Base Happy - The effect of the 15k ban was twofold: scare off a portion of autoers and make the main customers happy. I HIGHLY doubt that there were many honest gamers that saw that topic on the main page and didn't smile. I know I did that's for sure.

 

 

 

15k sure sounds like a lot but I can assure you that it isn't. As the main page said recently: we just had a new high of 185k players on AT ONCE. Lets just pretend for a second that is the whole active community. 15k is barely 8% of that. If you take into account the fact that there are easily more than double that many ACTIVE accounts you can see that 15k is a minuscule amount. This is all assuming that Jagex was entirely truthful. What if they only banned 100 member accounts and 14.9k free accounts? (No money lost there since autoers don't click ads lol.) What if the accounts that they banned haven't been used in 2 years? And who is to say that they actually banned 15k? For all you and I know it was 1500 or even 15 lol. The point is they can put forth a tiny tidbit of hope for the honest gamers and, being the determined people we tend to be, that is enough to keep us satisfied for a couple more payments.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So all Jagex needs to do to get the best of both worlds is to NOT ban macroers (at least the paying ones that is) and to make it appear to us, the honest gamers, that they are doing everything that they can do stop the macroers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now all this is stated in relatively simple english and I believe is also relatively believable... what remains is a little "proof" if you will. Since I obviously cannot go and get an reliable response from Jagex themselves (as they would OBVIOUSLY have to deny this whether or not its true) I will attempt to "prove" this by playing the devil's advocate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If they were HONESTLY as against macroers as they claim to be they would be able to do a lot more to stop them. Here are just a few examples of what I am talking about:

 

 

 

1. Say they ran a poll that said: If we could put all our focus on banning macroers one week a month would you be willing to forfiet/postpone that week's update? With a one-in-four chance of getting macroers every month there would be a lot less to fight with over resources.

 

 

 

2. Say they hired 10 people whose exclusive job would be to hunt down autoers. After they acquire targets they could easily "track" them and would be notified as soon as they did something outside of their normal autoing coding. After the alert they would watch that character as it did this foreign activity until it either resumed it's task or traded/drop-traded with the main. After they have a positive ID on the main they could simply ban it and any of the macro accounts that had contact with it. While this would only squash Type 1 macroers, I belive that this is by far the larger of the two groups. With 10 people finding 10 mains a day (and countless thow-away accounts) each they could easily crush the autoing community. After the Type 1 macroers are essentially gone (I seriously doubt many would ever restart if they lost their lvl 107 mains lol) they would just have to focus on the repeat Type 2 offenders and new Type 1 offenders. Type 1s would eventually go extinct because they wouldn't like to repeatedly restart stats and gp. Type 2 offenders would also eventually get I.P. banned due to having several characters banned from the same address. This would result in the VAST majority of macroers to be banished to other games. Of course some Type 2s would continually slip through the cracks but I could deal with macroers if I didn't have to see them every single time I logged on... in every single world... in almost every single good training spot... :cry:

 

 

 

3. They could honestly do what they say that they can do if they can actually do it because apparently they, and I quote:

We can detect this type of cheating VERY easily. Suprisingly some people seem to think they can get away with this, but we're making absolutely sure you can't.

 

 

 

As well as having new systems to detect people cheating in this way, we are also using a new system to go through and ban other accounts used by these cheats, so they can't just cheat on a 'throwaway' account they don't care about, and expect their other accounts to be unaffected.

 

 

 

If this were the truth exactly as they claim then why can we still see macroers? This states VERY clearly that they have no problem detecting and banning macroers... yet it hasn't been done. I find it kind of funny in a sick depressing sort of way. :?

 

 

 

4. If they are not a COMPANY first and truly care about the community they could easily put the money into finding and crushing every single macroer. If they took a hit in their pocket books so what? If they despise cheaters as much as true gamers do then they should be willing to put that ahead of profit, right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well that is just about it. I wonder how many people red the whole thing? Let me have a little fun and request those who did to say the name of their favorite vegetable in the final sentence of their reply. I would just like to know who actually reads these long posts. :shock:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would like to leave you with the darkest thought that I have had since I have been writing this... If macroers have such an enormous potential for making them cash, who is to say that they did not or DO not create or assist in the creation OF those bots? Starting from Jagex's side of the house it would be relatively easy to make a reliable bot and get it in general circulation. I would bet $100 US that this is probably too dark but I would not be totally shocked if I found myself $100 poorer. :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Final thing is this: I am not saying that I believe this 100%. I am saying that I think that this is a likely scenario and would like to know others' thoughts and opinions on this. Have fun.

[GLadiasmaxim]

zomg i cant beleive i read most of that... ugh.. u hurt me eyes... i dunno what to think... but i can say that jagex has really dissapointed thousands as what u stated already they used to be a good company.. went ingame and took idea and whatnot... now they pay no attention... o well.. i just kind of ignore the whole autoing situation and just play my own little runescape:P

[tetrak]

Of course, Jagex added tons of random events against macros, they banned tons of those "paying macroing customers", they have rules against macroers, they have systems to detect macroers, they recently changed the duel arena so you can no longer macro in it... And many more things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's completely obvious, Jagex wants the macroer to all stay...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your arguments make about as much points as saying : No one walked on the Moon, aliens are currently spying on us, and Bush is a robot.

[Sk8erfreak]

While you do have some strong points, I can't entirely agree with you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Think about it this way, Autoers ruin the game for the people playing legitly, and if people start to hate the game for this reason, they will quit and cancel their memberships. Why would jagex want to lose the honest paying players over the dishonest autoers? Also, I think 15k is a pretty significant amount, no matter how many players there are.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

gotta get back to class, ill post more of my opinion later.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well that is just about it. I wonder how many people red the whole thing? Let me have a little fun and request those who did to say the name of their favorite vegetable in the final sentence of their reply. I would just like to know who actually reads these long posts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BTW, I hate all vegetables.. but If i had to choose one, lettuce maybe?

[oddfaery2]

The game has grown too large for Jagex to be completely personal like you say they were in the past. There are over a few million accounts in the game, and as they've posted, up to 185,000 logged in at a single time. Jagex staff would have to be HUGE to be personal with this many players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for macroing being easy to detect, they still have to go through thousands upon thousands of reports a day and verify whether or not they're even legitimate... no matter how good their detection is, they still have to check these claims (and I'm assuming they do manual verifications before banning).

[RAHK]

Of course, Jagex added tons of random events against macros, they banned tons of those "paying macroing customers", they have rules against macroers, they have systems to detect macroers, they recently changed the duel arena so you can no longer macro in it... And many more things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's completely obvious, Jagex wants the macroer to all stay...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your arguments make about as much points as saying : No one walked on the Moon, aliens are currently spying on us, and Bush is a robot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So the proof that you have that I am wrong is to say that:

 

 

 

1. Randoms - as I said above:

 

 

 

 

 

 

The point is they can put forth a tiny tidbit of hope for the honest gamers and, being the determined people we tend to be, that is enough to keep us satisfied for a couple more payments.

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. Bannings - How many macroers do you PERSONALLY know got their mains banned? Banning one of their throw-aways slows them down momentarily and just makes the average gamer feel avenged.

 

 

 

3. Rules - This again falls under "pleasing the customer". If they say that ring of wealth actually never did anything would you believe it after so many testimonials?

 

 

 

4. Detection - When was the last time you saw their system? Remember you are trying to disprove my "theory" here. I have provided the best "evidence" that I can but you just quote them? I have already read what they said thank you. :roll:

 

 

 

5. Duel Arena - For a third time (not your fault per se I am just keeping track) I will point this out: They need to keep us placated or we will all pack up and leave. This has been a blatantly obvious spot for autoers for too long. They obviously HAD to do something to keep us happy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Macroers pay Jagex alot more per person than the average 'Scaper. Why would they want to ruin that customer base if they can keep it and us?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. You are right it was all a Hollywood fake (yes I am being sarcastic!!!)

 

 

 

2. How the heck would ANYBODY know if that were true lol? If it is true then we wouldn't know and if it is not then... we would NOT know lol. Personally, I think if there were anything to see us they would turn tail and scoot because humans are pretty dang nasty to each other.

 

 

 

3. Bush is much to dumb to be a robot... Is this actually a rumor like the other two? I would honestly like to know if we have devolved that far yet. :oops:

[seekad]

As you said, its a very cynical point of view. I personnaly dont agree with it, as I belive they only say its easy to catch macroers to put fear in the offenders and to put the straight players mind at ease. I liked the part about Jagex maybe being in cohute with the cheating comunity :lol: Yes I really like corn :wink:

[Kevin_]

like i'm going to read that , in any way , yes , the only reason why rsc was lefted so long was the huge amounts of autoers paying for it

[daver]

... ... ...after reading that long thread i will share my thoughts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- u have no life. seriously, do something else.

 

 

 

- u wasted my 5 minutes of my life

 

 

 

- who cares. seriously. WHO CARES.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

one last thing...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: seriously, :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: .

[RAHK]

While you do have some strong points, I can't entirely agree with you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Think about it this way, Autoers ruin the game for the people playing legitly, and if people start to hate the game for this reason, they will quit and cancel their memberships. Why would jagex want to lose the honest paying players over the dishonest autoers? Also, I think 15k is a pretty significant amount, no matter how many players there are.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

gotta get back to class, ill post more of my opinion later.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well that is just about it. I wonder how many people red the whole thing? Let me have a little fun and request those who did to say the name of their favorite vegetable in the final sentence of their reply. I would just like to know who actually reads these long posts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BTW, I hate all vegetables.. but If i had to choose one, lettuce maybe?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol thank you for the quote you ruined the fun. :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anywho, I don't type very fast so I am just know getting to your response and hopefully I finish before you get back from class, sigh.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Everytime they do something that "thwarts" macroers it makes you feel good right? Well don't you think that it would be fiscally smarter to come up with some sort of permanent solution? Macroers defeat Randoms in days sometimes HOURS so who do you think these Randoms benefit? All these little things are just good PR for the real gamers out there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ask yourself this: If you were a company (a non-feeling, amoral entity) that's goal was to make money would you try to "double-dip" and reap the benefits from both worlds if you could do so without serious inconvenience to yourself?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NOTE: I am trying to reply in order so I am not reading past the one that I am replying to. Sorry I type slow. :oops:

[maveritchell]

If they are not a COMPANY first and truly care about the community they could easily put the money into finding and crushing every single macroer. If they took a hit in their pocket books so what? If they despise cheaters as much as true gamers do then they should be willing to put taht ahead of profit, right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As to your other points, I will only say I disagree. Those are a matter of opinion, and in mine, I would like to think that 15k is a significant portion, that Jagex would not annoy their paying customers with randoms unless they had a real purpose...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...However, the point above I will take contention with in that you say they'd take a hit in the pocketbooks if they really "despised cheaters as much as true gamers do." I only ask this: Would you pay an extra dollar or two a month to remove more macroers?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't have any particular like for macroers, and I can safely say that I wouldn't. Your call.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mmm carrots.

[Peronix]

Of course, Jagex added tons of random events against macros, they banned tons of those "paying macroing customers", they have rules against macroers, they have systems to detect macroers, they recently changed the duel arena so you can no longer macro in it... And many more things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's completely obvious, Jagex wants the macroer to all stay...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your arguments make about as much points as saying : No one walked on the Moon, aliens are currently spying on us, and Bush is a robot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You fail to realize that those countermeasures against autoers have little effect. While barring alching in the duel arena inhibits some of the type 1 macroers trying to cheatingly get their mage level up; it has no effect on type 2s which just want cash to sell for real world $. And alot of these new random events can easily be circumvented by these autoers. From what I've heard, the program notifies the person operating it by an audio sound letting them know they got a mime or other costume random, and just completes the frog one by itself. And then it just automatically runs away to a safe place once it sees that it is being attacked via an audio detection system. Yes, such high-tech macroing programs DO exist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But, like the poster said, Jagex COULD easily track down these macroing bots' mains. But usually they don't. And those 15k that were banned weren't a very significant part of the macroing community as far as I can tell. One day I sat in the fishing guild reporting all the macroers I could see, and since someone on these forums was predicting that there could possibly be an RS2 ban I made a list of 25 of them. After the ban, only 5 of the accounts on that list no longer appeared on the highscores. Only 20% of the ones I had written down. And who's to say my sample is entirely accurate? It could be even less. And like the poster suggested, they said they banned 15k RS2 accounts, not 15k MEMBERS accounts. For all we know, they sat at the rune essence in world 1 varrock picking off these little level 3 accounts mining essence... which are all too easy to replace (do tutorial island, rune mysteries... DONE!).

[RAHK]

The game has grown too large for Jagex to be completely personal like you say they were in the past. There are over a few million accounts in the game, and as they've posted, up to 185,000 logged in at a single time. Jagex staff would have to be HUGE to be personal with this many players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for macroing being easy to detect, they still have to go through thousands upon thousands of reports a day and verify whether or not they're even legitimate... no matter how good their detection is, they still have to check these claims (and I'm assuming they do manual verifications before banning).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My preferred method for banning was the actual hands-on technique. I think that another nice method would be for them to send a message to a suspected macroer that would go across their screen in bold-face print: You are going to be banned for autoing if you do not say something intelligent in the next : 120 seconds (and have it count down). I am getting pretty tired so I hope I explained that right lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Basically what I am saying is this: They do not have to use in-game reports. They can simply go to the flax fields and clean them out. Then hop to the next world. One or two people could hit up every spot with relative ease once a day. After a month of this how many bans do you think that they would acquire? Lets say 2 per spot and say they only police 5 spots a day on every single world (5 minutes max is all that is required to identify, ban, and move on). In eight hours a day, 5 days a week, for only one month I think that they could easily outdo their previous bans.

[RAHK]

As you said, its a very cynical point of view. I personnaly dont agree with it, as I belive they only say its easy to catch macroers to put fear in the offenders and to put the straight players mind at ease. I liked the part about Jagex maybe being in cohute with the cheating comunity :lol: Yes I really like corn :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol that was more for comic effect than reality (very DARK :roll: ). Anywho, I would have to say that if what they claimed was true there would be nothing for anybody to complain about because they can "EASILY" detect both autoers and mains. :roll:

[TeeBeaun]

Its a conspiracy theory at best

[kingmaniac]

The 15k was just all (4ry4n) users ,

 

 

 

the owner of it made it 100% detectable by jagex.

 

 

 

:?

 

 

 

They dont have a detection system atall.

 

 

 

And i bet half of the 15k even if it was 15k didnt auto

[RAHK]

... ... ...after reading that long thread i will share my thoughts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- u have no life. seriously, do something else.

 

 

 

- u wasted my 5 minutes of my life

 

 

 

- who cares. seriously. WHO CARES.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

one last thing...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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(Yes I shrunk the spaces so I technically edited your post lol.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow. I put together a topic of discussion that has incited replies much faster than I can respond to (yes I type slow I already admitted that lol) and you rebut by saying that I have no life... and putting over 25 eye-rolls to prove how much more important and valuable YOUR time is. My reply? Only 1:

 

 

 

:roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hehe couldn't resist. I have a life thank you very much. Happily married with two beautiful daughters. I think the problem here is that you had trouble understanding. Next time try looking in one of those books that has these letters on it for all those words with more than 2 syllables: D-I-C-T-I-O-N-A-R-Y

[RAHK]

 

If they are not a COMPANY first and truly care about the community they could easily put the money into finding and crushing every single macroer. If they took a hit in their pocket books so what? If they despise cheaters as much as true gamers do then they should be willing to put taht ahead of profit, right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As to your other points, I will only say I disagree. Those are a matter of opinion, and in mine, I would like to think that 15k is a significant portion, that Jagex would not annoy their paying customers with randoms unless they had a real purpose...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...However, the point above I will take contention with in that you say they'd take a hit in the pocketbooks if they really "despised cheaters as much as true gamers do." I only ask this: Would you pay an extra dollar or two a month to remove more macroers?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't have any particular like for macroers, and I can safely say that I wouldn't. Your call.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mmm carrots.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ditto carrots.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have said this on these forums somewhere before and I will say it again:

 

 

 

I would GLADLY pay double for every single item that I purchase from other players in-game if it meant that all autoers were permanently banned. It would not be different in real cash either.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(I would like to point out that this is all conjecture as I have no ACTUAL proof. I have stated this before but I would like to point out again that this seems to follow a logical path to me. Thank you for your opinion as well :) )

[RAHK]

Its a conspiracy theory at best

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol that is exactly the point. I am saying this "theory" because I want people to think. Do I honestly think that Jagex could easily fry a majority of macroers? Absolutely. Do I think they don't because of profits? Actually, if anything I would have to say laziness above all else. Look how long RSC had to suffer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since I have caught up I will just edit in this reply:

 

 

 

The 15k was just all (4ry4n) users ,

 

 

 

the owner of it made it 100% detectable by jagex.

 

 

 

:?

 

 

 

They dont have a detection system atall.

 

 

 

And i bet half of the 15k even if it was 15k didnt auto

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If I knew what 4ry4n was personally I would have to agree with you 100% but since I don't I will just have to take your word for it that it was a bot and say Good Riddance.

[ddun]

But...

 

 

 

Autoers spend an extremely large ammount of time in game. Taking bandwith away from them. Bandwith > a small ammount of money

[RAHK]

But...

 

 

 

Autoers spend an extremely large ammount of time in game. Taking bandwith away from them. Bandwith > a small ammount of money

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is probably going to be my last reply for a few hours because I think that I can finally get some sleep. Yay.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From my understanding they spend a majority of that time during off-peak hours so that would basically have no effect whatsoever. Also I highly doubt that they use more than they pay for in bandwidth because that would mean that they are COSTING Jagex money... which any true company does eveything in it's power to prevent. It is not like they are a bunch of punk high school uber1337 hax0rz, ok? These are proffesional adults that could easily outmanuever the 90% of children who utilize others' programming. They are not amatuers. If they were losing money they would make it their most important goal to prevent this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, it is my hope that if I get enough people "riled up" about this (regardless of whether or not its true) that EVENTUALLY Jagex might get wind of it and either: A. Stop lying and start cutting off that little money bag. or B. Get off their kiesters and crush those fools like I know they can.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

G'noitey... most likely. :|

[Luke]

I read, and understood that and i totally agree with you.

[Z_E_R_O_I_Q]

1. Jagex can't just ban all the autoers no matter how good system they have, only way was if they stood behind the suspected autoer IRL since EVERYTHING a real player in runescape does CAN be simulated by programs, EVERYTHING.

 

 

 

2. Not every low level person not talking to YOU is an autoer.

 

 

 

3. Autoers cost them money, autoers usually play more than the average user so they use more bandwidth than usual, jagex does NOT get free bandwidth + as said before, autoers don't even click on ads :roll:

[oddfaery2]

 

The game has grown too large for Jagex to be completely personal like you say they were in the past. There are over a few million accounts in the game, and as they've posted, up to 185,000 logged in at a single time. Jagex staff would have to be HUGE to be personal with this many players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for macroing being easy to detect, they still have to go through thousands upon thousands of reports a day and verify whether or not they're even legitimate... no matter how good their detection is, they still have to check these claims (and I'm assuming they do manual verifications before banning).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My preferred method for banning was the actual hands-on technique. I think that another nice method would be for them to send a message to a suspected macroer that would go across their screen in bold-face print: You are going to be banned for autoing if you do not say something intelligent in the next : 120 seconds (and have it count down). I am getting pretty tired so I hope I explained that right lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Basically what I am saying is this: They do not have to use in-game reports. They can simply go to the flax fields and clean them out. Then hop to the next world. One or two people could hit up every spot with relative ease once a day. After a month of this how many bans do you think that they would acquire? Lets say 2 per spot and say they only police 5 spots a day on every single world (5 minutes max is all that is required to identify, ban, and move on). In eight hours a day, 5 days a week, for only one month I think that they could easily outdo their previous bans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The messaging thing would not work because some programs even have an autotalking thing with it, and telling them exactly what to type would be pretty unfeasable (wouldn't want somebody banned for a typo or something stupid eh?).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for manual searches, they've been doing that in common places like the mining and fishing guilds, which we've already seen big results from.

[0_zeke_0]

I cant believe you took the time to write all of that and expect us to read it...