Are Macros REALLY that bad?

[Silverchipmunk]

its stupid macroing when all the good people like zezima put all the work to make themselfs who they are

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would be willing to bet that Zezima used some sort of macro in his career, even if just an auto-clicker or something.

 

 

 

No, because JaGEx would be keeping a constant watch on him. They probably thought the same thing.

[jackalope14]

A lot of rpg games dont mind autoers at all. In fact some even encourage it, but for some reason Jagex seems to have a problem with it. I dont see it as cheating, while everyone else does the "work" because I dont see Runescape as work. I wouldnt care if they took the macro rule out, but I dont have problems with it either. I guess its just Jagex's opinion on cheating.

[Junkieman]

its stupid macroing when all the good people like zezima put all the work to make themselfs who they are

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would be willing to bet that Zezima used some sort of macro in his career, even if just an auto-clicker or something.

 

 

 

No, because JaGEx would be keeping a constant watch on him. They probably thought the same thing.

 

For a start, if zezima was doing his own scripts, it'd be harder for them to pick him up. Secondly, they werent as watchful back then, when it was lesser of a problem. Thirdly, as with everything, its harder at first than it is when you get going, so once he had autoed a fair few levels or got some skills to 99, it was easier for him to get to other 99s. Fourthly, would jagex dare ban zezima?

 

 

 

A lot of rpg games dont mind autoers at all. In fact some even encourage it, but for some reason Jagex seems to have a problem with it. I dont see it as cheating, while everyone else does the "work" because I dont see Runescape as work. I wouldnt care if they took the macro rule out, but I dont have problems with it either. I guess its just Jagex's opinion on cheating.

 

 

 

They say time is money, to jagex, our time is their money. They dont want people macroing cos they may get bored faster, they might feel it takes the fun out of the game, and um...they like money? They are trying to turn profit after all, and it wont work well if a person only stays as a member for a month or two, or dont become one because they can make tons of money in f2p. Then again, if macroing was allowed, no one would have an unfair advantage and the economy would be a bit more stable.

[Lim_Dul]

Whirliebird, your post is envigorating. I'm so glad to see other people as passionate about the merciless slaughter of autoers.

 

 

 

"Some might say that was an extreme position"

 

 

 

Harassment and reporting is the duty of all legitimate players. We need more people with Whirliebirds passion for retribution against these runescape delinquents.

 

 

 

We also need more people who admire Charles Bronson's great body of work, including "the dirty dozen", "the great escape", "the mechanic" and the "deatwish" series to name a few :wink:

[magician_xy]

Alright, here's another thought: auto miners are bad, I get it. But what about auto talkers? They can't affect the economy, other than the person using it may be able to sell more items because they don't have to type it in themselves. All they do is talk. Granted, if the person using it is a noob, it can get annoying, but then just put them on your ignore list.

 

 

 

What is the popular opinion on auto-talkers?

[Junkieman]

talkers dont bother me much, but I can see why they arent allowed.

 

 

 

a. people who dont use talkers are less likely to sell their goods than those who do, as they cannot get their message as publicised, and talkers will push it fast off the screen. How to remedy this? let everyone use them;

 

b. not everyone will find a good one, if at all, some will be better than others possibly. This avenue also opens up the way to scammers and crackers to steal people's info and pass.

 

 

 

so, there we go, my reasoning as to why. Like i said though, I wouldnt care cos I doubt I'd get done by any cracker scams.

[magician_xy]

Password stealing? An auto talker would be able to steal anyone's password, unless they repeatedly said "Ooh, Jagex blocks your pass, see *****" and then someone was stupid enough to say their pass. But who falls for that anymore? (somewhat off topic, I think jagex should censor your pass, that way one scam is eliminated.) Back on topic, thanks to whirliebird for that REALLY long post. It's amazing what autoers do now. I think I even saw a pking autoer, because i tried talking to him after I ran and he didn't respond. (normally pkers call me chicken or noob when I run for my life.) I watched this guy, and he never said a word. He killed about three players, then went to bank and came back. (Probobly to get food.)

 

 

 

I think Jagex should unban auto talkers. Did you know that keyboarding fast and repeatedly can give someone carpal tunnel? My mom has that (she works all day with computers) and she says it really hurts when she moves her wrists after being on the computer. Jagex should let people use auto talkers not only because they're harmless, but because it may prevent jagex from being sued by some jerk.

[ancalagon_2]

I think I even saw a pking autoer, because i tried talking to him after I ran and he didn't respond. (normally pkers call me chicken or noob when I run for my life.) I watched this guy, and he never said a word. He killed about three players, then went to bank and came back. (Probobly to get food.)

 

 

 

an autopker? i doubt if it exists; btw pkers own cause of their iQ, and an autopker doesnt have that kind of IQ

[Junkieman]

Password stealing? An auto talker would be able to steal anyone's password, unless they repeatedly said "Ooh, Jagex blocks your pass, see *****" and then someone was stupid enough to say their pass. But who falls for that anymore? (somewhat off topic, I think jagex should censor your pass, that way one scam is eliminated.) Back on topic, thanks to whirliebird for that REALLY long post. It's amazing what autoers do now. I think I even saw a pking autoer, because i tried talking to him after I ran and he didn't respond. (normally pkers call me chicken or noob when I run for my life.) I watched this guy, and he never said a word. He killed about three players, then went to bank and came back. (Probobly to get food.)

 

 

 

I think Jagex should unban auto talkers. Did you know that keyboarding fast and repeatedly can give someone carpal tunnel? My mom has that (she works all day with computers) and she says it really hurts when she moves her wrists after being on the computer. Jagex should let people use auto talkers not only because they're harmless, but because it may prevent jagex from being sued by some jerk.

 

I meant that some unscrupulous people may make autotalkers which is actually a trojan horse.

[Whirliebird]

Whirliebird, your post is envigorating. I'm so glad to see other people as passionate about the merciless slaughter of autoers.

 

 

 

TY... but I wish that it were that easy. I mean to slaughter autoers :-)

 

 

 

Harassment and reporting is the duty of all legitimate players.

 

 

 

I think that the main problem is most players either don't care or they don't realize what's going on. As I'm a member player and an experienced one, I realize that the problem of macroing on members worlds isn't even close to being as bad as it is in free play so member players naturally pay far less attention to it since it doesn't directly affect them nearly as much as it does free players (with economics, 100% but with game action far less... maybe 0-10%). At least that's my current opinion... but my opinion might change as time goes by.

 

 

 

Unfortunately though, for the newer or newest players be they F2P or P2P... if the lightbulb actually came on and those new players understood what they were seeing was real life CHEATING and they had a full understanding of what was/is going on when it comes to autoers, they might be more willing to do something. I know that I would have been more fired up when I was a newb player if I realized that I was playing RS with characters who were being run by programs rather than by actual people. It also would have explained a lot too!!! I'll go more into that in the next paragraph.

 

 

 

For me, from when I was first a newb player... the problem was understanding what the term "macroing" even meant and even now to this day I don't have the opinion that Jagex used to provide any information in the way of what macroing really was or of the problems that it created when I first started playing. Yes, they have much more information on the main Runescape page now but it would be far better IMHO if they actually provided a nice video sample of an autoer in action for every player that goes through Tutorial Island and included a section on how to recognize an autoer and what to do about it. It would be best if they showed you how and most importantly WHY the autoer was detrimental to them as a player too! After all, when someone realizes that they got ripped off or WILL get ripped off, they tend to get really fired up and demand action... and the smart players all agree that autoers screw up the game for the rest of us even if they don't agree that autoers should be banned from the game. That doesn't sound right? Think of it this way: some players will say that they realize that autoers alter the game... but they don't believe that autoers should be against the rules. In other words, they think that all players should be able to use them if they want to. Even so, since Jagex makes it very clear that macroing is illegal, ALL players should be aware of it, be able to recognize it and do something about it.

 

 

 

We need more people with Whirliebirds passion for retribution against these runescape delinquents.

 

 

 

As I stated above, I wish it were easier to do something... and I can think of a few things as Jagex probably has. Unfortunately though, those "things" have other side effects that most players would probably not want to deal with, including me. So, the solutions fall back to player mods and Jagex staff which means "live" banning should be done which is what I first came up with as being a reasonable solution. After all, if you're really playing the game and you're really at the keyboard, you should never have a problem with having a short discussion with a Jagex staffer or player mod to prove that you aren't cheating if & when you get challenged. If you don't answer the questions accurately or promptly, your character is permanently banned on the spot... and yes, I know that I'll probably get thought of as being a Nazi for saying that but before you yap off, try to think of another reasonable solution. After all, I PAY MONEY to be a member and get all the additional stuff Runescape the game has to offer thus I don't want a bunch of low life cheaters screwing it up for me. If you get caught macroing, you deserve to lose your account. PERIOD! Yes, I know RS has random events to get autoers caught or "hung up" so they cannot continue... but IMNSHO the random events are simply not an effective deterrent and Jagex doesn't take action nearly as fast as I'd like.

 

 

 

As I mentioned in my other rant, the current philosophy seems to be that Jagex is taking a reactive role... meaning that they know there's a problem but they only institute measures in an attempt to correct the problem well after the occurances have taken place. This does nothing to prevent cheaters from cheating since they know that they'll get away with it for a long time... far more than long enough to make it worth cheating! A proactive role would be simply to make the game 100% unappealing to cheaters in the first place since they know they won't get 5 feet before they get shot... err, banned. "Live" challenges would take care of the autoer problem immediately IF Jagex had enough people to handle the task... and I think that this is why you don't see Jagex staff running around frequently in the game 24 hours a day. I think that they run their offices more in a 9 to 5 fashion even if they actually do have a real employee "monitoring" things even late at night... but even if that's true, there aren't that many Jagex staffers assigned to the sole task of making real life checks. I liken a realistic proactive philosophy to running a prison: you can build walls around a prison but unless you put guards with guns on top of those walls with orders to shoot, you will soon have a ton of prisoners tunneling under, busting through or otherwise climbing the walls. That's why prisoners simply will not pack their bed frames outside into the exercise yard and stack them up high enough to reach the top of the wall. If they did... they would get shot before they got more than a few bed frames off the ground.

 

 

 

We also need more people who admire Charles Bronson's great body of work, including "The Dirty Dozen", "The Great Escape", "The Mechanic" and the "Deathwish" series to name a few :wink:

 

 

 

Funny you should bring that up... The Great Escape has got to be the greatest war movie in history (top 3 for sure!) and it's based on a true story just like it states in the opening sequence. I actually have it full length & unedited on tape and that movie is still totally enjoyable & cracks me up even though I've watched it too many times to count. Here's a tip: if you ever meet a girl who likes The Great Escape and Army of Darkness, think about marrying here ASAP! Well, there's another driveby rant by me! See ya!!

[neoro]

because a person doesnt have to be there at the computer to use a macro, they can be at school or work and leave the cp on all day, come back and find out they just miined 10k ess in a day

 

now imagine someone who made multiple accounts and does that on several different computers

 

 

 

and mining ess doesnt take that long........

 

 

 

It doesn't take more than one computer to run multiple accounts. The max is around 5 because of the lag. I'm not going to tell anyone how to do it, but now imagine a person with more than one computer autoing....

[doompickels]

because those people are lazy ***es and need to die! they have no life! in otherwords, they get all the reward with no work....

[hohto]

Password stealing? An auto talker would be able to steal anyone's password, unless they repeatedly said "Ooh, Jagex blocks your pass, see *****" and then someone was stupid enough to say their pass. But who falls for that anymore? (somewhat off topic, I think jagex should censor your pass, that way one scam is eliminated.) Back on topic, thanks to whirliebird for that REALLY long post. It's amazing what autoers do now. I think I even saw a pking autoer, because i tried talking to him after I ran and he didn't respond. (normally pkers call me chicken or noob when I run for my life.) I watched this guy, and he never said a word. He killed about three players, then went to bank and came back. (Probobly to get food.)

 

 

 

Auto pker? Dude, this isn't rsc with autocatchers. If someone really had the talent to create a bot that could catch, eat, change fight styles, pick up the loot and bank, he most likely wouldn't play RS, he'd probably work for your goverment or some major corporation. Personally I don't talk much when I'm solo pkin. Or have you heard about muting? That makes it pretty hard to talk.

 

 

 

That password stealing probably was about keylogging a macro. It's funny how most of these "hacked" people have dled an autotalker from their mate or some "russian underground site". You don't need to be a genuine to add a little keylogger to a file.

 

 

 

I think Jagex should unban auto talkers. Did you know that keyboarding fast and repeatedly can give someone carpal tunnel? My mom has that (she works all day with computers) and she says it really hurts when she moves her wrists after being on the computer. Jagex should let people use auto talkers not only because they're harmless, but because it may prevent jagex from being sued by some jerk.

 

 

 

If you really type that much, maybe you should stop playing? Chat flooders (not only autotypers) are already a real pain at crowded places and if it became 100% allowed, it would be almost impossible to sell or buy things at the major market places because you wouldn't be noticed without your own macro. Also, Jagex isn't from USA, so the part being sued is as likely as George Bush turning into a muslim and joining Mensa :P

[PrinceC]

autoing ruins the game for everyone period. If 99.9% Players Are autoers then runescape wil pretty much be taken over by them. Think about RSC when the autoers took it over Jagex made it into members only. Four mounth ago the autoers were gone but a smalll price had to be pay.

[Socc]

heh i tried to once, couldnt get it to work :lol: (yes im a dumb blond make fun of me about, its true :( ) My firned got it working, he got banned in 20 mins :lol: and i laughed at him, it was a macro to do tutorial island :lol:

[Blipo]

Are Macros REALLY that bad?

 

 

 

Yes.

[mr_tiddles]

I don't like macroers period. They take away from really acheiving goals by actually playing the game versus letting another program do it instead. They cheapen the stats acheived by those who never cheated and they throw the price of things way out of whack.

 

 

 

I say, ban them all 8)

[peterdeath]

I completely disagree with your remark. Why should I play Runescape mining ess while sitting at my computer, while knowing that the other character I can see is using an autobot? You're the kind of filthy player that has no regard for anyone else.

[greenslime89]

you want my views on macroers - check the link in my sig - that says it all :x

[nhp_4_lyfe]

macro'ers are really that bad. reasons why-

 

-cause priceses of rares to boost some much in such a short time.

 

-causing jagex to ban innocent players

 

-causing jagex to make more annoying random events

 

-causing quicker action than human can click. e.g stealing kills.

 

 

 

so yah, macro'ers are really bad. i see loads of macro'ers own rares, then getting banned, making an increase in rares price.

 

 

 

you either with them or against them :roll:

[anesthetik]

THE point of this game is to WORK for your skills and items, not CHEAT your way into having them

[Dalcyte]

how can you even say that!?!?!?!? :shock:

 

macros allow players to gain an unfair advantage without any work they can go to work or school and come back with 20k rune essence awaiting them in the bank and a whole load more minning exp. this also allows them to push down prices so hard working FAIR rune minner ends up selling his rune essence for much less then they could get without macros i believe all macros are scum and should be wiped of the face of the earth

 

 

 

do you read the posts ahead of yours or just blindly post? But anyway, as people have said, yes they are and now you realize that its not fair when your doing something else and not working hard on the game while others are.