dymed Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 As we all know, the whip is unarguably the best weapon in the game. However, it doesn't train strength exclusively, so the dragon scimitar has been deemed the strength-training weapon of choice. Either that or full Dharok. My problem: I have 1 magic and 1 prayer, which means that I can't complete Monkey Madness and get myself a scimitar, nor can I train with the Dharok set effect because I'm not suicidal. So that brings me to my question of what is the best strength training weapon other than the dragon scimitar? I'm thinking it's probably Veracs Flail. However, does the increase in speed make the Flail faster exp than Dharoks Great Axe, which has tons more accuracy and strength? Or is it more effecient to train with the Great Axe? If anyone has any insight on this or if any research has been done, please share. :D Once again, I cannot use a dragon scimitar nor the full Dharok set. I need a different weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gollem85 Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 for trainign str i recomend a d scimi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwimbob Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 for trainign str i recomend a d scimi *Sigh* (Read the post, or at least the bolded part of the post :P ) D long, torag's hammers, Guthan's spear, and the flail are all the same speed. Of them, torag's hammers actually have the best stats (a +85 crush, +72 str), so I would go with them if they have a str training option, and I'm pretty sure they do. Combat 116+; Total 1900+; All Hard Tasks; (Nearly) All quest points; (Nearly) All skills 60+; An aquatic moose ninja.Currently: Using 63 hunter to get some of those "Chins", then I'm going to range stuff down. Interruptions of agility when I feel like it, as well.And lucky enough to get 4 Dragon and 6 Barrow Drops.[hide]Kwimbob now looks exactly like me in real life except for hair color. Yes, this means I look exactly like the protagonist of that certain anime that my second character, Faye_V is also named after. Yes, I bought a jacket that also looks like his. No in real life I don't have a slain bear to sling over my shoulders. Yes, I'm that skinny even if I no-life it for years in basements. No, I can't shoot a gun. Yes, I can win any other strategic video game you have never played - because I probably have, ahahaha. And yes, I also have brown eyes, yet one of my eyes looks different from the other. And yes, I'm completely oblivious to the [real] world around me as I constantly engineer new solutions to daily problems in my head. When I get hungry, all that isn't food can wait. When I'm sleepy - nothing is of any priority in front of sleep. But at any other time, I never slow down. Never give up. Never Surrender. Makes for a good life.[hide]YOU'RE GONNA CARRY THAT WEIGHT.- See You, Space Cowboy.[/hide][/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dymed Posted May 12, 2006 Author Share Posted May 12, 2006 for trainign str i recomend a d scimi *Sigh* (Read the post, or at least the bolded part of the post :P ) Go with a d long maybe, but I would take the speed of a flail over a great axe if you still want to use barrows'. This drag long is absolute torture after training with a whip for so long. There must be a better weapon for me. :( The drag long is 69 slash attack and 71 strength. The flail is 82 crush attack and 72 strength with the same speed, so it's clearly better. The great axe is 103 slash attack and 105 strength, which blows the flail out of the water, but is incredibly slow. I'm trying to figure out if the increase in stats is worth the decrease in speed, flail vs. great axe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonFirenze Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 Dragon Dagger isnt too bad... still slow. Dlong maybe? Lvl 80 construction. Dragon Drops: 11 (4 Chains, 2 Axes, 1 Med, 2 Skirts, 1 Legs, 1 2h) God Wars Drops: 4 Zamorakian Spears, 1 Godsword Shard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dymed Posted May 12, 2006 Author Share Posted May 12, 2006 Hey, would you look at this...Torag's Hammers are 85 crush attack with 72 strength, making that clearly better than the flail. So now I'm down to either the hammers or the great axe. I've tested dragon dagger vs. dragon long, and the long is better. So the dagger's also out of the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwimbob Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 Hey, would you look at this...Torag's Hammers are 85 crush attack with 72 strength, making that clearly better than the flail. So now I'm down to either the hammers or the great axe. I've tested dragon dagger vs. dragon long, and the long is better. So the dagger's also out of the question. Actually the torag's hammers are +3 att stats better than the flail, so if you prefer the flail because of the multiple attack options or looks, it's not much of a deal breaker. If the flail's aggressive style isn't a crush style, though, the torag's hammers would be a much better choice. BTW, I edited my post up there with some information, but I got quoted too early, but it's there :oops: Combat 116+; Total 1900+; All Hard Tasks; (Nearly) All quest points; (Nearly) All skills 60+; An aquatic moose ninja.Currently: Using 63 hunter to get some of those "Chins", then I'm going to range stuff down. Interruptions of agility when I feel like it, as well.And lucky enough to get 4 Dragon and 6 Barrow Drops.[hide]Kwimbob now looks exactly like me in real life except for hair color. Yes, this means I look exactly like the protagonist of that certain anime that my second character, Faye_V is also named after. Yes, I bought a jacket that also looks like his. No in real life I don't have a slain bear to sling over my shoulders. Yes, I'm that skinny even if I no-life it for years in basements. No, I can't shoot a gun. Yes, I can win any other strategic video game you have never played - because I probably have, ahahaha. And yes, I also have brown eyes, yet one of my eyes looks different from the other. And yes, I'm completely oblivious to the [real] world around me as I constantly engineer new solutions to daily problems in my head. When I get hungry, all that isn't food can wait. When I'm sleepy - nothing is of any priority in front of sleep. But at any other time, I never slow down. Never give up. Never Surrender. Makes for a good life.[hide]YOU'RE GONNA CARRY THAT WEIGHT.- See You, Space Cowboy.[/hide][/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzlar Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 Once again, I cannot use a dragon scimitar nor the full Dharok set. I need a different weapon. for trainign str i recomend a d scimi Omg I can't stop laughing :lol: The self-proclaimed king of bronze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dymed Posted May 12, 2006 Author Share Posted May 12, 2006 Once again, I cannot use a dragon scimitar nor the full Dharok set. I need a different weapon. for trainign str i recomend a d scimi Omg I can't stop laughing :lol: It's really just unbelievable...I was about to submit without adding that last bolded part in, but I knew some morons would suggest a dragon scimmy, so I decided to reiterate my point in bold. Looks like that was useless... Anyway, torag's hammers and the flail both have the aggressive option for their highest attack bonus, so that's not a problem. The torag hammer is higher attack (however slight it may be) and also cheaper, so it's the clear choice. Now it's a matter of whether to get the hammers or the great axe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123Yourgone Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 Once again, I cannot use a dragon scimitar nor the full Dharok set. I need a different weapon. for trainign str i recomend a d scimi Omg I can't stop laughing :lol: It's really just unbelievable...I was about to submit without adding that last bolded part in, but I knew some morons would suggest a dragon scimmy, so I decided to reiterate my point in bold. Looks like that was useless... Anyway, torag's hammers and the flail both have the aggressive option for their highest attack bonus, so that's not a problem. The torag hammer is higher attack (however slight it may be) and also cheaper, so it's the clear choice. Now it's a matter of whether to get the hammers or the great axe. Great axe would be equivilant to training with an r2h on f2p, so go with the torags hammers, however i still prefer dragon long, i think its faster despite what the site says, and it has a special which gives larger hits for slightly more xp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoffoBoy Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 hmm what about a dragon sci.... hehe jk! have you tried a d.battleaxe? I really like it for it's slash and crush options. really slow though, after whip you are going to go crazy. Cheers! -BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvw08 Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 I know, im gonna sound like an idiot.. BUT you can do mm with range and 1 pray, pures do it all the time. Don't quiz me on it but I think you can lure the monster so it gets trapped then range/hally it wo death.. Other then that I would go with t hammers. Droolman's item Guide | My RuneScape pictures | My barrows videos, with download link!Free Image Hosting! | Free File Hosting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l33thunt3r Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 I know, im gonna sound like an idiot.. BUT you can do mm with range and 1 pray, pures do it all the time. Don't quiz me on it but I think you can lure the monster so it gets trapped then range/hally it wo death.. Other then that I would go with t hammers. The prayer's mostly for the rangers. :? Either flail or hammers, both provide about the same stats. Besides those, you *could* try to do Monkey Madness and get D Scim, the (arguably) best strength trainer in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireaxe777 Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 id say flail with full veracs, the special helps with hitting through tough defences like gargs and stuff, and it's also a bit more accurate then hammers in my experiance 33 Abyssal Whip Drops 8 Dragon Drops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
me_poulin Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 This is probably just me But I trained to 95 strength with Dragon long... and I can tell you it took for ever... Then I switched to dragon scimmy for 99 strength. The difference seemed huge to me... But I've never use any barrows or what ever so I really don't know... :? Once in a life time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_Rob Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 Once again, I cannot use a dragon scimitar nor the full Dharok set. I need a different weapon. for trainign str i recomend a d scimi Omg I can't stop laughing :lol: It's really just unbelievable...I was about to submit without adding that last bolded part in, but I knew some morons would suggest a dragon scimmy, so I decided to reiterate my point in bold. Looks like that was useless... Anyway, torag's hammers and the flail both have the aggressive option for their highest attack bonus, so that's not a problem. The torag hammer is higher attack (however slight it may be) and also cheaper, so it's the clear choice. Now it's a matter of whether to get the hammers or the great axe.K [bleep]. want some advice. YOU ARE THE MORON. actually no want it in bold?YOU ARE THE MORON. You expect getting quick str exp without working for it or getting d scimmy or dharoks. I done monkey madness with 1 prayer and 1 mage and 1 defence YES [bleep] ITS 1 DEFENCE DUMB [bleep] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toocool4u Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 1 mage and 1 pray swuck but i did it on my pure, just tele with glories and duel rings. its really not hard all u need is a good range lvl. Don't let having 1 pray stop you from this quest. use cannon for the demon btw. Believe me you will get it done and use the d scim for the str. http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=582384 -my irit farming blog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangzorcom Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 i am currently using the d hally. slow yes but i can live with that bcuz i dont have to take damage and i can fight tougher monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 No Scimmy + No Danger = Dragon Halberd :D The Complete MTA Handbook | Runecrafting Pouch Analysis | Mobilizing Armies Locator Index Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123Yourgone Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Once again, I cannot use a dragon scimitar nor the full Dharok set. I need a different weapon. for trainign str i recomend a d scimi Omg I can't stop laughing :lol: It's really just unbelievable...I was about to submit without adding that last bolded part in, but I knew some morons would suggest a dragon scimmy, so I decided to reiterate my point in bold. Looks like that was useless... Anyway, torag's hammers and the flail both have the aggressive option for their highest attack bonus, so that's not a problem. The torag hammer is higher attack (however slight it may be) and also cheaper, so it's the clear choice. Now it's a matter of whether to get the hammers or the great axe.K *. want some advice. YOU ARE THE MORON. actually no want it in bold?YOU ARE THE MORON. You expect getting quick str exp without working for it or getting d scimmy or dharoks. I done monkey madness with 1 prayer and 1 mage and 1 defence YES * ITS 1 DEFENCE DUMB wonderful person Settle down psycho, who let you out of your cage? I can recommend a few good psychiatrists pm me for details.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
convulsive Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Buy a dragon 2hander :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donutjunkie Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Once again, I cannot use a dragon scimitar nor the full Dharok set. I need a different weapon. for trainign str i recomend a d scimi Omg I can't stop laughing :lol: It's really just unbelievable...I was about to submit without adding that last bolded part in, but I knew some morons would suggest a dragon scimmy, so I decided to reiterate my point in bold. Looks like that was useless... Anyway, torag's hammers and the flail both have the aggressive option for their highest attack bonus, so that's not a problem. The torag hammer is higher attack (however slight it may be) and also cheaper, so it's the clear choice. Now it's a matter of whether to get the hammers or the great axe.K *. want some advice. YOU ARE THE MORON. actually no want it in bold?YOU ARE THE MORON. You expect getting quick str exp without working for it or getting d scimmy or dharoks. I done monkey madness with 1 prayer and 1 mage and 1 defence YES * ITS 1 DEFENCE DUMB wonderful person Settle down psycho, who let you out of your cage? I can recommend a few good psychiatrists pm me for details.. lol try yoga i finally quit runescape to play world of warcraft. i play on frostmourne, alliancecheck out my threadhttp://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=479665&highlight= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nxnja Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 dont get a great axe unless you are getting the full set. either go with torags hams or d long, using d baxe spec while training might be a good idea too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meol Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 ... nor can I train with the Dharok set effect because I'm not suicidal... Why don't you use the full set without getting your HP to levels low enough for them being risky? For example, instead of going to the lowest HP levels in order to hit the highest, you could just let them drop a little? That way you recieve the benefits of the weapon itself, plus some of the benefits of the whole set. I'm not quite sure about this, as I've never had the set, but you could try it. This signature is intentionally left blank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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