Classic argument: RCers, PKers

[tripsis]

Now, some people's view is that RCers shouldn't be killed, because they have nothing of value, but others argue that PKers kill 4 fun, not just the loot.

 

 

 

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Wot do u think, can we eva solve this problem?

 

 

 

I think that the RCers should bring 1 wep, as a form of def, so that if they get attked, they can defend themselves, that's wot I do, it's saved me many a time...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well my argument is actually a bit different from that. I don't think that we RCers shouldn't be killed just because we have nothing of value, because we do. We have a little under 100k worth of items when we're RCing (the typical abyss RCer anyway). In fact, I don't even think that we shouldn't be PKed, it's just that it is overall pathetic when people PK us. Sure, go ahead and do it, but it's a pathetic action.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some people make the argument that we RCers actually can attack back and that we really aren't defensless. Technically, it is true, we can attack back. But does that make it an equal fight? No. If the RCer carries a weapon and a shark is that a fair fight against a PKer with 1-2 weapons, runes for snare/TB spells, super sets and a full inventory of sharks? No. We can't carry all that extra 'stuff' in our inventories because we need room for pouches and esssence. So yes, we can put one shark in our inventory and equip a weapon, but will that make it an equal fight? No, it will not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, I'd say about 95% of RC PKers aren't PKers at all. They have no skill in PKing and most of them probably haven't killed someone past level 15 wildy. They just say "Hey, I'm a bit bored and a bit low on money. I'm gonna go sit in level 5 wildy and kill someone who's defenceless and minding their own business." How do we know this? It is clearly displayed when the RCer banks in Edgy, gets out proper PKing equipment and goes back to the Zammy Mage to attack the PKer who attacked them in the first place. At least in my personal experience, who usually wins the fight? Well, the RCer usually would win, but in most cases the innitial PKer ends up running away/teleing anyway, which clearly shows that they're just cowards.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That what brings me to my final, personal conclusion, that RC PKers are just cowards. Their reason for RC PKing is that they're a bit bored, are looking for a "good time," and are perhaps, a bit short on cash. They therefore decide to take advantage of someone who is entering the wildy with about 100k worth of items and wants to take it from them. Why don't they go pick a fight with someone in lvl 40 wildy with an abyssal whip? Because they're scared. They know that they don't have any real PKing abilities, and they're afraid to engage in a real, fair fight because they don't want to lose any of their items. They just want to take everyone else's. The only way that they can ensure that they won't die and that they'll earn money (even if it's a pathetically minimal amount) is by killing people who have no real weapon, no super sets, no proper protection and don't have a full inventory of sharks.

[tripsis]

 

RC Pking is pathetic..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They do it for 'fun'? They got fun from other people losing their items, that's like you saying hacking is for 'fun'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, it says "I have no pk skills watsovever so ill att someone who cant even att back"

 

 

 

I agree completly, PKing at abyss is the lowest form of pking. All they do is attack a person who cant do anything back. We don't even have prayer for christ's sake. We have no defence other than d'hide and sara book. I also feel its a waste of time for them. I can make about 1mil an hour(rcing) buti these people? They get what, 2-3 glories an hour if they're lucky? All they do is make RCers abgry, lose our pouches, d'hide, God books, picks, boots, glories, rings, and TIME!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol I agree. The most amusing part about RC PKers is that they're sitting there watching us make 300k - 1.4m gp an HOUR, while they make 0-1m gp A DAY? It's like "Hey, I'll watch this person get immensely rich. Everytime they pass by, I WASTE runes on them by trying to entangle them, yet every time they get away. The next time they come back, they're at least 15k gp richer, while I just get poorer, from WASTING these runes."

[ReapMe]

they don't try to pk the rcers to show their pking skills if some of you haven't noticed

 

 

 

who here likes it when they tb and entangle someone?

 

 

 

candy from a baby

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

there is nothing wrong with it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they don't want to risk losing money against others so they find easier targets, what's wrong with that?

 

 

 

they want the upper hand, who doesn't? is it lame to do things the easy way

 

 

 

they don't want to get beaten in a dm so they kill people without food

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

for the rcers saying they are pathetic noobs, the abyss was implemented into the wilderness for a reason

 

 

 

wouldn't we all just love a perfectly safe way with no set-backs or distractions to make 1m+ an hour :

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

some of you rc to make money and some of you pk to make money, how you go about it is entirely up to you. there's no need to critisize them since it's your choice to use the abyss

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if you don't want to get targeted, do rcing the safe way

 

 

 

if you want faster nats use the abyss

 

 

 

if you want to pk the rcers then pk the rcers

 

 

 

it's perfectly natural to do things the most convenient way to them

[bbalking]

a pkers purpose is to KILL so seeing someone running past them knowing it will be an easy kill is like a walking steak running past a dog...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

rcers can use the abyys knowing ye they will get attacked from time to time but they will make a hell of a lot of money rcing and fast exp, thats the downside to using the abyss!! otherwise it would be too good

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyways ye many people are angry when they are pked but surely they dont mind too much if they keep on rcing... :-w

[liam892005]

Rc Pkers are good, because if they kill you then they deserve the kill. I might rcers should bring teleports if they want to survive.

 

 

 

Right...they deserve it? you sure? besides WE DO bring teles...just if they tb us we can't...anyway, would you rather kill someone very strong & can defend them selves very well, or be killing some people who are defenceless, and probably hated for it...I think that's quite obvious but I got a feeling that 'jimbobjoe' is probably an RC PKer himself...I pity RC PKers sometimes..yes you have people around my lvl & above (im lvl 76) who are poor(for example...me) but why waste your time on doing that? the amount of kills you get you'd probably LOSE money rather than gain it...there's mank a skill where you can gain a lot of cash quick...Heh, if there was a noobiness lvl, RC PKing would be lvl 85 lol.

 

 

 

About this little clan thing lol...get some people & other people will join in, I mean, if RC PKers want 2 be called RC PKers, they need 2 learn how 2 PK or they should be called RC killers...or RC noobs, or Abyss noobs maybe? :-$ We Want You! :-$

[lord_troyus]

Im probably not bringing anything new, just digging up old ground but it seems a bit harsh on the pker.

 

I mean sure you can criticise them for being "Dis-honourable" but i just wanna quote a GREAT pker "I don't believe in honour in a game. Farcasting is a tactic, which is used when people can buy a 50k dds and hit a 37-37 spec on you" - Quoted from Elvemage

 

Also i think the guys in jagex towers thought about the position of the abyss, and chose the wildy for its risk/reward factor. You take the abyss (Which is a shortcut) to get to the altar, craft the runes then get to edgeville and start all over. If you hate the rc pkers so much stop using the abyss, stop moaning about them and use the traditional routes to your altars. If everyone stopped using the abyss, the pkers would have nobody to pk there and would move on.

 

The abyss is in the wildy for a reason - the risk factor.

 

I dont care if its unhonourable or for bad pkers or even unprofitable, the moment you step into the wilderness you take a risk. If your prepared then you probably wont be pked, if you are - bad luck, prepare better or try another route.

 

 

 

Stop blaiming the pkers when its the rcers fault they are there in the first place

[d_plant]

I totally agree with you troyus. People who want to rc with safety should use shilo village way (for nats). But dont go using abyss and then come complaining that theres pkers there. Calling them noobs because that's the reason it was put there, so dont nobody complain about it. Ok? :twisted:

[spatulus13]

Stop blaiming the pkers when its the rcers fault they are there in the first place

 

Thats like saying it the victims fault they were stabbed, they were in a dangerous place so its obviously thier fault.

 

 

 

On topic - I despise RC pking, they can all go fornicate themselves along with the DK lurers and those that teleother at the barrows.

 

Its among the most cowardly things to do on Runescape, fair enough people say there is no rules in the wilderness, but there are, not actual enforcable rules, just the rules of common courtesy.

 

 

 

Summary - RC pkers can go crawl in a hole and die for all I care

[berbatovsky]

Old topic but ill throw my thouhts in anyway. When i rc in the abyss i am wearing full black dhide, a rol, a mith wc axe :), spotted cape, and boots of lightness (i cant remember clearly if thats what they are called but you know what i mean),a teletab, my pouches and of course the ubiquitous Glory, thats like 80k's worth of stuff, which isn't much.

 

 

 

I don't mind people trying to kill me (i've havent died yet but ive only crafted about 10k natures so far), but i can't see the point in it, only twice has the pker been clever enough to teleblock me THEN entangle me and in both situations i managed to run away (its lvl 5 wildy). The rc pkers who are wasting their time are ancients and meleers, they will never kill anyone unless the target lags, modern mages can kill you but they probably get 1 kill every hour, which isnt good money really. As someone said (in 2006 :)) crafting natures i can make 3-500k an hour(lvl 54 rcing), so dying once an hour wouldnt be that big a deal (apart from getting pouches back)and most people dont die anywhere near that regularily anyway.

 

 

 

Summation: rcpkers are wasting their time, unless their only goal is to kill somone in p2p combat (with a massive advantage i might add).

[jonni]

I just wonder why people kill us for 60k when they can easily just go and pk a real pker for about 5x the amount :evil:

[lord_troyus]

Well its a game where people die. Its actually a career path for certain people and its legal. Stabbing someone isnt legal, therefore we have police.

 

Plus its true there is common courtesy... but there is also profit.

 

If you see somebody in the wildy with 2hp skulled, with a santa hat, dragon chain and other expensive items do you leave them because of courtesy?

 

It may seem like the pkers are greedy, but the same would apply to the Rcers in fact. They are just looking for a faster way to make runes and money/exp. Isn't that greedy aswell?

 

 

 

Rcers hold no honour above pkers, they both follow the rules. Time some people learnt that.

[rareghoul1]

IN my opinion if if the RCer stays out of the PKers way the pker should leave them alone

 

 

 

:-s the pkers are there to pk the ones you're saying they should ignore. if an ACTUAL pker came, they would run like babies

[highlanders]

Rc pkers hardly ever get glories, and when they do it's from a stupid and/or unprepared Rcer. This is the most pointless and unrewarding activity to do for a pker. Rcer pkers are pathetic, for that reason alone, no need to look any further.

[berbatovsky]

Well its a game where people die. Its actually a career path for certain people and its legal. Stabbing someone isnt legal, therefore we have police.

 

Plus its true there is common courtesy... but there is also profit.

 

If you see somebody in the wildy with 2hp skulled, with a santa hat, dragon chain and other expensive items do you leave them because of courtesy?

 

It may seem like the pkers are greedy, but the same would apply to the Rcers in fact. They are just looking for a faster way to make runes and money/exp. Isn't that greedy aswell?

 

 

 

Rcers hold no honour above pkers, they both follow the rules. Time some people learnt that.

 

 

 

Small point when im rcing i generally dont kill people while they are collecting raw materials (so its not really the same :P), we are all driven by greed in real life and in this game, that doesnt come into it. We craft runes because there is a demand for them and we get good money, pkers pk because they want to make money, same desire, different methods. It is implict that we are all motivated by greed, thats not the contentious point. The argument is that rcpkers are cowardly and dis-honourable, attacking someone who is (virtually)defenceless, i personally don't subscribe to this view, and as i said in my above post i have no problem with them trying to kill me, but at the same time i am annoyed everytime i have to run a 'gauntlet' surrounded by 5+ pkers who seemingly refuse to attack each other, instead focusing on much weaker (but less profitable) targets.

 

 

 

Edit:imagine if they made the area around the zammy mage multi-combat :)

[biggy08755]

Rc pkers hardly ever get glories, and when they do it's from a stupid and/or unprepared Rcer. This is the most pointless and unrewarding activity to do for a pker. Rcer pkers are pathetic, for that reason alone, no need to look any further.

 

 

 

You've never seen deathslaya rc pk :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

I'm fine with Rc pking, sure, I don't like it when its against me. But I am in the wild am I not?

[Soulthresher]

Ok, I am going to try to be unbiased with this. No one is wrong on either end. By going into the wildy, crossing that ditch, you accept the dangers for the great rewards, even though Jagex opposes this :roll: . Abbyss pkers need something to do when they aren't running away from real pkers. Runecrafters need a way to get fast experience, even if there is risk. It evens it out. I like abbyss pkers, especially when my dds rippeds through their cheap mage robes.

[HellsBells]

Swap a pouch for a Dark bow? :wink:

 

 

 

Anyways, I've have never Runecrafted via the Abyss. But I will give my honest opinion-Abyss PKers are sad. They barely even get any kills. They are just there as a nuisance.

[tylersk8shop]

RC Pkers ftl :shame:

[Lugia_Lvl138]

I am far from "defenceless" when I RC. My def bonuses in my RC outfit are:

 

 

 

110 Stab

 

103 Slash

 

120 Crush

 

96 Mage

 

110 Range

 

 

 

I also carry a house tele tab which works wonders on nooby rc pkers that use Ancients. I may also bring a Sara Brew if I think someone's out to get me.

[Alg]

here are your standard lowlife pkers-

 

-abyss pkers

 

-agility pkers

 

-god spell pkers (almost always level 110+)

 

-people who drop trade/gold buy and pk with that

 

all of which take little or no skill to take out.

 

 

 

a bit of a story about god spell pkers-

 

so there was this level 84 with a drag battleaxe, he attacked me while i was running into the arena. when i came out, i brought a ddp++, a potion set, and some lobsters. he attacks first, i whip out my dagger. his hits? 15-7. very nice, until he gets speced to hell... he died without getting a chance to eat, and i got a free 150k \

[rareghoul1]

i'm actually happy that ancients was invented and pkers use it. before dt it was this

 

 

 

tb, snare, god spell, god spell, god spell, dead. if that still happened at abyss, we'd be toast.

[l33t_necroh]

the way i see it, the wildy is like the playground at school.

 

The RCers are like the lonely, defencless kid playing by himself.

 

and the PKers are the tough kid.

 

 

 

The RCer is playing by himself, not bothering anyone, when for no apparent reason the PKer comes and beats up the RCer.

 

 

 

The PKer pickes on the little guys because hes to afraid and wimpy to pick on people his own size.

[Alg]

the way i see it, the wildy is like the playground at school.

 

The RCers are like the lonely, defencless kid playing by himself.

 

and the PKers are the tough kid.

 

 

 

The RCer is playing by himself, not bothering anyone, when for no apparent reason the PKer comes and beats up the RCer.

 

 

 

The PKer pickes on the little guys because hes to afraid and wimpy to pick on people his own size.

 

the next day, the rcer beats the living [insert word] out of the pker, who runs away crying like a scared baby

[imaerehw14]

its allowed, its not against the rules, its "in the wild" which makes rcing through abyss risky.

 

 

 

all good points, however, its the lowest form of pking. i mean, who would WANT to pk someone with no armor? where is the fun? "we pk for fun". no you dont, you pk to see others who are unarmed and have little armor, suffer. there is no point other than to make yourself feel good as a pker, and a person. in the end, its just false hope.

 

 

 

your right, its not against the rules, and the abyss is put in the wild to make things risky. but really, what kind of person would go into a 10 round boxing match with an infant?

 

 

 

::EDIT::

 

 

 

If you see somebody in the wildy with 2hp skulled, with a santa hat, dragon chain and other expensive items do you leave them because of courtesy?

 

 

 

I have to admit, there is a big difference between brining 40m worth of items into the wild and rc pking. common sence goes hand in hand with common courtesy. you dont bring 40m into the wild because you know witht he common sence you should have, people wont be giving you common courtesy. bring 80k into the wild while skilling and thats another story.

[rareghoul1]

the way i see it, the wildy is like the playground at school.

 

The RCers are like the lonely, defencless kid playing by himself.

 

and the PKers are the tough kid.

 

 

 

The RCer is playing by himself, not bothering anyone, when for no apparent reason the PKer comes and beats up the RCer.

 

 

 

The PKer pickes on the little guys because hes to afraid and wimpy to pick on people his own size.

 

the next day, the rcer beats the living [insert word] out of the pker, who runs away crying like a scared baby

 

 

 

:XD: no, the little kid just brings his paintball gun. [insert rest of story here]