North Korea Tests First Nuclear Weapon

[caligula101]

North Korea is bluffing.

 

 

 

And if they're not...Who cares? They ain't got any friends. :P

 

 

 

ummm China? *cough* Korean war *cough*

 

Hello, I'm your guide to the 21st century. Just to bring you up to speed, the Korean War finished half a century ago.

 

 

 

China wants to industrialise rapidly and now relies on trade with regional and international partners, and doesn't give a rat's backside about North Korea because it's more of a liability than a help in anything.

 

 

 

Just like america got nothing from going into vietnam. They were fighting there enemies, the communists. If north korea gets invaded (a fellow communist country) you think China are going to just stand by and watch it happen?

[Zonorhc]

North Korea is bluffing.

 

 

 

And if they're not...Who cares? They ain't got any friends. :P

 

 

 

ummm China? *cough* Korean war *cough*

 

Hello, I'm your guide to the 21st century. Just to bring you up to speed, the Korean War finished half a century ago.

 

 

 

China wants to industrialise rapidly and now relies on trade with regional and international partners, and doesn't give a rat's backside about North Korea because it's more of a liability than a help in anything.

 

 

 

Just like america got nothing from going into vietnam. They were fighting there enemies, the communists. If north korea gets invaded (a fellow communist country) you think China are going to just stand by and watch it happen?

 

Of course not. They'll tell the US they disapprove, but they're not going to do their human wave thing like they did back in the '50s. China is communist in name only - they have open markets and a growing merchant class, for crap's sake. That's the antithesis of a communist state, even an industrialising socialist nation, like Soviet Russia between 1922-28.

 

 

 

They will fix something up with the US so that they leave a buffer zone and not feel too threatened by an invasion, but in the end, Korea will probably be united under the South's administration. Of course, by then NK will probably be a smoking crater with nothing worth taking out of it, but what's new?

[Tigra00]

North Korea is bluffing.

 

 

 

And if they're not...Who cares? They ain't got any friends. :P

 

 

 

ummm China? *cough* Korean war *cough*

 

Hello, I'm your guide to the 21st century. Just to bring you up to speed, the Korean War finished half a century ago.

 

 

 

China wants to industrialise rapidly and now relies on trade with regional and international partners, and doesn't give a rat's backside about North Korea because it's more of a liability than a help in anything.

 

 

 

Just like america got nothing from going into vietnam. They were fighting there enemies, the communists. If north korea gets invaded (a fellow communist country) you think China are going to just stand by and watch it happen?

 

 

 

Yes.

 

 

 

China and the USA's conversation would go like this...

 

 

 

China: "Hey, could you guys--"

 

USA: "No. Shut up and make toys."

 

China: "Okay, so I guess that's a no on the putting a stop to picking on North Korea..."

 

USA: "Are you still here? Toys? Hello? Am I talking to myself here?"

 

China: "No, but umm...Argh, fine. Toys."

 

USA: "Damn right 'toys'. That TMX Elmo was freakin' hilarious! Make me another!"

 

 

 

China trades with the USA more than anyone, I do believe. While the USA can't afford to NOT trade with China, China can't afford to not trade with the USA. The most China would do is say that it is neutral and that it doesn't approve of a situation between the USA and NK...And of course, continue making toys and the like until their economy is bigger than ours because we are all lazy idiots. Right on.

 

 

 

Everything will be fine, guys. Kim Jong Il is insane, not stupid.

[Barihawk]

North Korea is bluffing.

 

 

 

And if they're not...Who cares? They ain't got any friends. :P

 

 

 

ummm China? *cough* Korean war *cough*

 

Hello, I'm your guide to the 21st century. Just to bring you up to speed, the Korean War finished half a century ago.

 

 

 

China wants to industrialise rapidly and now relies on trade with regional and international partners, and doesn't give a rat's backside about North Korea because it's more of a liability than a help in anything.

 

 

 

Just like america got nothing from going into vietnam. They were fighting there enemies, the communists. If north korea gets invaded (a fellow communist country) you think China are going to just stand by and watch it happen?

 

 

 

America and South Vietnam had been working together for 15 years before the war started.

 

 

 

China is not on good terms with North Korea, so it is doubtful they would rush into battle like they did in the 50's.

[caligula101]

I don't think you should over estimate China's loyalty to the United states.

[Guest GhostRanger]

I don't think you should over estimate China's loyalty to the United states.

 

 

 

It has nothing to do with loyalty to the United States. China and North Korea are not on good terms - regardless of whether or not the US is on good terms with North Korea.

[Zonorhc]

I don't think you should over estimate China's loyalty to the United states.

 

Nobody said anything about loyalty. They're simply looking out for their own interests. Right now, America is a huge market for cheap Chinese consumer goods, and that's too important a business venture to risk on some pathetic country that has nothing to offer to anyone.

 

 

 

Also on the list of countries China doesn't want to alienate is Australia, because we're practically fuelling their growing industry with mineral exports, as well as buying up their consumer goods.

 

 

 

It isn't loyalty - it's economics. Which sometimes equates to the same thing.

[arrowbld]

alright this is my plans

 

 

 

Plan a

 

 

 

Build a under ground bomb shelter size of us

 

 

 

plan b

 

 

 

send in a invasion team and kick nk butt

 

 

 

plan c

 

 

 

hire a assain and kill the leader and then get a guy to diable the nuke and destroy the stuff to make it

[pro28]

alright this is my plans

 

 

 

Plan a

 

 

 

Build a under ground bomb shelter size of us

 

 

 

plan b

 

 

 

send in a invasion team and kick nk butt

 

 

 

plan c

 

 

 

hire a assain and kill the leader and then get a guy to diable the nuke and destroy the stuff to make it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nice plans...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:wall:

[jak722]

 

alright this is my plans

 

 

 

Plan a

 

 

 

Build a under ground bomb shelter size of us

 

 

 

plan b

 

 

 

send in a invasion team and kick nk butt

 

 

 

plan c

 

 

 

hire a assain and kill the leader and then get a guy to diable the nuke and destroy the stuff to make it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nice plans...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:wall:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just come to Canada... Its alot cheaper and safer...

[Zonorhc]

alright this is my plans

 

 

 

Plan a

 

 

 

Build a under ground bomb shelter size of us

 

 

 

plan b

 

 

 

send in a invasion team and kick nk butt

 

 

 

plan c

 

 

 

hire a assain and kill the leader and then get a guy to diable the nuke and destroy the stuff to make it

 

 

 

That has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've had the misfortune of reading, both in terms of its stupidity and sheer lack of style.

[transcript80]

 

Your point? The US did hundreds on nuclear tests during the Cold War. No one bothered them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Until the numerous SALT treaties and banning of nuclear tests. We have not had a nuclear test SINCE the Cold War.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not True. Your friends/allies, the French, did one in the 90's on Mururoa (in the pacific, far away from France, so they didnt't have to bother about pollution... cowards...)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't care wether North Korea, Iran or whatever counties have nukes, because they will never use them. USA allow friends to have them (UK, Israel, France etc.) but is offended when other countries that do not bow for their reign develop them. America should solve their own problems, not interfere in foreign politics in muslim (or any other) countries and that would take away (most of) the reason for international terrorism.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For the kids who want WW3 to start: You are probably some immature kids who don't have to go to war yourselves. Wait until your mom/dad/brother/sister returns in a body bag, we'll talk then, ok?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

About preventing the production of nukes by NK by withdrawing food aid: It doesn't work. The regime makes sure they have enough, and the army enforcing their reign gets its share, so the regime will not be affected by millions of civilian casualties in the short term.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would like to see that we got rid of ALL nukes, but as long as the USA and the UN are not straightforward in their policy, that's NOT going to happen!

[Zonorhc]

About preventing the production of nukes by NK by withdrawing food aid: It doesn't work. The regime makes sure they have enough, and the army enforcing their reign gets its share, so the regime will not be affected by millions of civilian casualties in the short term.

 

 

 

Well, for all the propaganda they're fed, it's hard to ignore millions of people dying. There's bound to be at least one intelligent person who'll notice the disappearing population. Besides, friends and family dying is always a bad thing for the military. Morale takes a hit, and they aren't able to perform as well as they could. You can only hoard so much food before the supply dwindles to what you can produce yourself - which, in North Korea's case, isn't much. Eventually people should figure out that the "evil" West has been feeding them all along, rather than Dear Leader.

[The Dark Lord]

 

 

Your point? The US did hundreds on nuclear tests during the Cold War. No one bothered them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Until the numerous SALT treaties and banning of nuclear tests. We have not had a nuclear test SINCE the Cold War.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not True. Your friends/allies, the French, did one in the 90's on Mururoa (in the pacific, far away from France, so they didnt't have to bother about pollution... cowards...)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't care wether North Korea, Iran or whatever counties have nukes, because they will never use them. USA allow friends to have them (UK, Israel, France etc.) but is offended when other countries that do not bow for their reign develop them. America should solve their own problems, not interfere in foreign politics in muslim (or any other) countries and that would take away (most of) the reason for international terrorism.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For the kids who want WW3 to start: You are probably some immature kids who don't have to go to war yourselves. Wait until your mom/dad/brother/sister returns in a body bag, we'll talk then, ok?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

About preventing the production of nukes by NK by withdrawing food aid: It doesn't work. The regime makes sure they have enough, and the army enforcing their reign gets its share, so the regime will not be affected by millions of civilian casualties in the short term.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would like to see that we got rid of ALL nukes, but as long as the USA and the UN are not straightforward in their policy, that's NOT going to happen!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you not realize that North Korea and Iran do hate the U.S. What the hell do you think "Death to america." means? What the hell dude? We are worried of a muslim country such as Iran having nuclear weapons because they will try to kill the "Infadels." (Those who reject Islam as being a false religion served by idolaters, etc.) If you try to say I'm a rascist against Arabs, shut the hell up. I have a friend at school that I just found out was a Muslim, and I haven't ditched him, nor made fun of him because of his beliefs.

[Zonorhc]

Do you not realize that North Korea and Iran do hate the U.S. What the hell do you think "Death to america." means? What the hell dude? We are worried of a muslim country such as Iran having nuclear weapons because they will try to kill the "Infadels." (Those who reject Islam as being a false religion served by idolaters, etc.) If you try to say I'm a rascist against Arabs, shut the hell up. I have a friend at school that I just found out was a Muslim, and I haven't ditched him, nor made fun of him because of his beliefs.

 

 

 

Firstly, get your head out of your arse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The US isn't worried of "a Muslim country like Iran" having nuclear weapons. It's worried about a fundamentalist theocratic dictatorship like Iran having nuclear weapons. There's a difference between moderate Islamic nations such as Lebanon and those run by raving fanatics like Iran and formerly Afghanistan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The fact that you felt the need to be defensive about your statements before they were even criticised bes the question of whether you are actually prejudiced against Middle Eastern nations.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Secondly, North Korea and Iran hate the US for entirely different reasons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While Iran's leaders hate the US for being a decadent, meddling nation - and face it, it is - North Korea is different. North Korea as a whole hates the West - not just the US - because Kim Jong Il, as well as Kim Il Song, have demonised it through propaganda in order to keep their people blissfully ignorant of just how well their buddies in South Korea are living compared to them. That stops them from going nuts about the fact that they're mistreated and mismanaged, and having a good old revolution.

[The Dark Lord]

The US isn't worried of "a Muslim country like Iran" having nuclear weapons. It's worried about a fundamentalist theocratic dictatorship like Iran having nuclear weapons. There's a difference between moderate Islamic nations such as Lebanon and those run by raving fanatics like Iran and formerly Afghanistan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's what I meant. If the Muslim country takes it to the extremes of killing non-Muslims in some strange "crusade" to make the world Muslim.

[Zonorhc]

 

The US isn't worried of "a Muslim country like Iran" having nuclear weapons. It's worried about a fundamentalist theocratic dictatorship like Iran having nuclear weapons. There's a difference between moderate Islamic nations such as Lebanon and those run by raving fanatics like Iran and formerly Afghanistan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's what I meant. If the Muslim country takes it to the extremes of killing non-Muslims in some strange "crusade" to make the world Muslim.

 

 

 

Yeah, go the handwaving generalisations! Woo!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Didn't you read anything I typed? It's not Islamic countries that the US is against. It's countries that advocate the destruction of the West and that harbour terrorists or other insurgents. The US isn't targeting Iran because it's a "Muslim country", it's targeting it because its government decided to express an utter disregard for democratic values like freedom of speech and expression, and all those other things that Americans get so worked up about, then went and got themselves nuclear weapons without UN sanction.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, well, so they don't like Israel. Let's face it - not many people in the Middle East outside of it do. That doesn't suddenly mean that a country run by fundies is trying to "make the world Muslim". And lets face it, some Islamic sects flat out dislike each other to the point where they're happy enough to fight amongst themselves anyway.

[ryoushinn]

Dang, i hope nothing bad happens over here. Last night i had this dream they launched it over to the Us, (i live right on the west coast, like 15 mins away :uhh: ) and me and my family were in boat trying to get away...and fsssssshhhhhhhhhh i could hear it coming closer and closer... :ohnoes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, i had to share that.

[The Dark Lord]

Dang, i hope nothing bad happens over here. Last night i had this dream they launched it over to the Us, (i live right on the west coast, like 15 mins away :uhh: ) and me and my family were in boat trying to get away...and fsssssshhhhhhhhhh i could hear it coming closer and closer... :ohnoes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, i had to share that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think supposedly North Korea doesn't have anything with great enough range to use to launch at the United States. Although, they can still assault our allies, such as Japan and South Korea. Which, of course, is bad.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wish we could just withdraw from Iraq, but so far it looks like we won't until we get another president.