YOUR opinion on (Soft/Hard-) Drugs

[darkmage099]

 

^^lmao!!! World of Warcraft!!!!! hahahahahaha. Did you add that yourself?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Heh, I didn't make it, got it off fark.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All the data is true, someone just added that too it. So it's relevant, and funny. That's what makes it so awesome. :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You know what? It's probably true!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kind of.

[assassin_696]

Yeah I agree with darkmage that nearly all soft drugs are gateway drugs. I have a worrying number of friends who started with stuff like cannabis, smoking or water pipes and have gone onto to try coke and even ecstasy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No way would they have gone straight from clean to ecstasy or coke. The soft drugs were the link.

[kelem_ryu]

Let people do what they want to do. No drug is bad per se. Problems come from frequent use (and there are people out there, who are constantly high and live "good" lives.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't believe in prohibitation. As somebody already suggested in this thread, if people commit crimes under the influence of drugs, they should be punished for the crime. Drug influence is no excuse imo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That drugs often lead to addiction and mental and physical health issues should be obvious. Still happy, healthy people people have nothing to fear from drugs. (To counter this myth, where it seems people believe, that if you where forced to take a drug, you'd automatically be addicted. Wich is just wrong.) You just become addicted when you voulntary take a drug over a period of time. If you like the effect instantly the risk is of course bigger. (Cocain for example can lead to addiction pretty fast. However i know people who take cocain only once in a while and are fine with that.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of all the drugs i took in my life cigarettes are by far the most hazardous imo.

[kelem_ryu]

 

 

^^lmao!!! World of Warcraft!!!!! hahahahahaha. Did you add that yourself?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Heh, I didn't make it, got it off fark.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All the data is true, someone just added that too it. So it's relevant, and funny. That's what makes it so awesome. :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You know what? It's probably true!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kind of.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Speaking from my experience with addiction (i was/am addicted to coke (as in pepsi), cigarettes, marijuhana, TV and RS. Currently cigarettes and working on getting an alcohol addiction.) MMORPGs are definitely very addictive.

[____]

Yeah I agree with darkmage that nearly all soft drugs are gateway drugs. I have a worrying number of friends who started with stuff like cannabis, smoking or water pipes and have gone onto to try coke and even ecstasy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No way would they have gone straight from clean to ecstasy or coke. The soft drugs were the link.

I know 23 people who smoke weed. Most of which have been doing it for almost 5 or more years, none of those 23 have tried anything harder.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I also know 4 people (we'll refer to them as A B C and D) who have been in rehab for addiction to heroin / meth / etc. Only D smoked weed, and that was AFTER rehab for heroin addiction.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A, B and C were introduced to "hard drugs" at raves, where they purchased Ecstay. And D was a victim of peer pressure from the other 3.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ironically, the 23 who only smoke weed hardly go clubbing. And there's enough proof out there to show that the use of hard drugs during dance parties, raves, etc is rather disturbing. People have DIED at those events when using those drugs for the FIRST TIME.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So in my opinion, soft drugs are no more a gateway than the people the users hang out with and the enviroments they visit frequently.

[kelem_ryu]

 

Yeah I agree with darkmage that nearly all soft drugs are gateway drugs. I have a worrying number of friends who started with stuff like cannabis, smoking or water pipes and have gone onto to try coke and even ecstasy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No way would they have gone straight from clean to ecstasy or coke. The soft drugs were the link.

I know 23 people who smoke weed. Most of which have been doing it for almost 5 or more years, none of those 23 have tried anything harder.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I also know 4 people (we'll refer to them as A B C and D) who have been in rehab for addiction to heroin / meth / etc. Only D smoked weed, and that was AFTER rehab for heroin addiction.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A, B and C were introduced to "hard drugs" at raves, where they purchased Ecstay. And D was a victim of peer pressure from the other 3.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ironically, the 23 who only smoke weed hardly go clubbing. And there's enough proof out there to show that the use of hard drugs during dance parties, raves, etc is rather disturbing. People have DIED at those events when using those drugs for the FIRST TIME.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So in my opinion, soft drugs are no more a gateway than the people the users hang out with and the enviroments they visit frequently.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Many people i know that smoke pot now take acid, speed and e on a more or the less regular basis. They attend raves too.

[apinagez]

 

Yeah I agree with darkmage that nearly all soft drugs are gateway drugs. I have a worrying number of friends who started with stuff like cannabis, smoking or water pipes and have gone onto to try coke and even ecstasy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No way would they have gone straight from clean to ecstasy or coke. The soft drugs were the link.

I know 23 people who smoke weed. Most of which have been doing it for almost 5 or more years, none of those 23 have tried anything harder.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I also know 4 people (we'll refer to them as A B C and D) who have been in rehab for addiction to heroin / meth / etc. Only D smoked weed, and that was AFTER rehab for heroin addiction.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A, B and C were introduced to "hard drugs" at raves, where they purchased Ecstay. And D was a victim of peer pressure from the other 3.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ironically, the 23 who only smoke weed hardly go clubbing. And there's enough proof out there to show that the use of hard drugs during dance parties, raves, etc is rather disturbing. People have DIED at those events when using those drugs for the FIRST TIME.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So in my opinion, soft drugs are no more a gateway than the people the users hang out with and the enviroments they visit frequently.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thus, weed should obviously be legalized.

 

 

 

There's much more room for discussion on the legalization of the other drugs, but I can't see any reason to keep cannabis illegal.

[Rizla]

I've smoked weed sporadically for about 6-7 years and there's no way i would ever try anything harder. I don't smoke cigarettes either, for what it's worth.

 

 

 

I don't believe weed is a gateway drug at all, mainly because things like coke and ecstasy are so completely different in terms of the way you take them and the "high" they give you. I could understand, for example, ecstasy and speed being linked in some way because of the similar effects, but weed is kind of in a league of its own really.

 

 

 

All these "statistics" about 50% of heroin users smoking weed at some point are irrelevant in my eyes, i could tell you that 80% of people who smoke weed had a pizza at some point in their life but that doesn't mean pizza should be seen as a gateway to drugs.

 

 

 

I know plenty of people who drink but don't "do" drugs, i know people who smoke weed but don't drink or do any harder drugs, and i know a few people who do harder drugs but don't smoke weed. Depending on who you ask you could make up your own conclusions any way you wanted them to look.

[Randox]

One thing to keep in mind if your doing drugs or a considering it, there is no drug without sideeffects (not [bleep]ing a buzz, high, etc). Marijana is not physicly addictive true, but you can become mentaly dependant, which is still an addiction of sorts. If you drink and drive you are more likely to get in an accident, but you arent the one who really pays for that mistake since in an accident involving a drunk driver where someone dies, its almost never the drunk driver who died, its who was in the other car. SO yo have to live with that for the rest of your life. Pot can eventuly make you a moron. You can smoke yourself stupid. Smoking is just stupid IMO althou im alergic to the smoke from a cigarete anyways.

[mad4u689]

Marijuana is illegal in the United States because in the 1920s, marijuana was associated with "reefer madness" - that is, it was thought to be used by the lower classes, the jazz musicians. Alcohol was far more mainstream, and when it was prohibited, there was huge uproar among all classes, including the ones on top that are actually listened to - hence the end of Prohibition. Marijuana illegality, however, stood. And so it stands to this day, because still no one in government is willing to risk their career to legalized marijuana, which still has a terrible reputation among many of the more upper classes, despite scientific evidence all pointing to alcohol being more dangerous to the body (and society) than marijuana.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That said, I think marijuana should be legal, and alcohol should be legal. These are victimless crimes. I find it ridiculous that you can get a FELONY CONVICTION based purely on dealing marijuana - a felony means you can never vote in this country again. This is institutionalized racism and classism, a way for the government to silence voices it doesn't want to hear. Marijuana is a victimless crime. I don't do pot (though I have tried it), but I think it needs to be legal, for the above mentioned reasons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I even think, for somewhat different reasons, that hard drugs should legalized as well. These are MOSTLY victimless crimes - and in the sense they they do have victims, it should be up to the individual to have the freedom and then not abuse that freedom.

[Rose_2_Pure]

If your so stupid as to not know your drugs enough so you can OD on them then you are a waste of sperm and should die anyway. It's basic common sense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stick all of the compounds for injecting Heroin in front of a eight year old, tell him what they are, and tell him to inject it into his vein, he, will of course because you are older and he looks up to you.

 

 

 

Get a 18 Year old +, give him the same items. He knows what it is, he knows it's what it can do to his body. He refuses to take it. He may spend time learning how to be safe® with this purticular drug and can easily dope himself everytime he wants once he learns a lot about it. OR you can throw in the steriotype drug-addict, say he's stupid, he dopes himself, get's addicted, gets an immunity, wants that high, ODs.

 

 

 

Point? By a certain age you should automatically know enough about the effect of drugs to your health. If you are smart enough to take proper pre-cautions, you'll be fine besides a minor addiction, depending on the drug, of course. But if your so stupid as to not figure these things out you should die; waste of intelligence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah I agree with darkmage that nearly all soft drugs are gateway drugs. I have a worrying number of friends who started with stuff like cannabis, smoking or water pipes and have gone onto to try coke and even ecstasy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No way would they have gone straight from clean to ecstasy or coke. The soft drugs were the link.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I actually lol'd at:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

have gone onto to try coke and even ecstasy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cocaine is much more dangerous to the Human Body then MDMA unless you take a enormously large amount of MDMA.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And no, Maijuana and Alcohol normally don't lead onto harder drugs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rose

[Rose_2_Pure]

These are MOSTLY victimless crimes - and in the sense they do have victims.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That depends ENTIRELY on where you live.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Many people i know that smoke pot now take acid, speed and e on a more or the less regular basis. They attend raves too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In this case though, Marijuana wasn't the bridge from drug to drug. Partying was.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rose

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Yea, like I said. What they go onto use (or even start using) depends entirely on their enviroment and company.

[mad4u689]

If your so stupid as to not know your drugs enough so you can OD on them then you are a waste of sperm and should die anyway. It's basic common sense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stick all of the compounds for injecting Heroin in front of a eight year old, tell him what they are, and tell him to inject it into his vein, he, will of course because you are older and he looks up to you.

 

 

 

Get a 18 Year old +, give him the same items. He knows what it is, he knows it's what it can do to his body. He refuses to take it. He may spend time learning how to be safe® with this purticular drug and can easily dope himself everytime he wants once he learns a lot about it. OR you can throw in the steriotype drug-addict, say he's stupid, he dopes himself, get's addicted, gets an immunity, wants that high, ODs.

 

 

 

Point? By a certain age you should automatically know enough about the effect of drugs to your health. If you are smart enough to take proper pre-cautions, you'll be fine besides a minor addiction, depending on the drug, of course. But if your so stupid as to not figure these things out you should die; waste of intelligence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah I agree with darkmage that nearly all soft drugs are gateway drugs. I have a worrying number of friends who started with stuff like cannabis, smoking or water pipes and have gone onto to try coke and even ecstasy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No way would they have gone straight from clean to ecstasy or coke. The soft drugs were the link.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I actually lol'd at:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

have gone onto to try coke and even ecstasy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cocaine is much more dangerous to the Human Body then MDMA unless you take a enormously large amount of MDMA.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And no, Maijuana and Alcohol normally don't lead onto harder drugs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rose

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

MDMA can be hugely dangerous if you aren't careful about what you are doing. It messes with your brain insanely, if you do it wrong. If you do it right, it can be fairly safe and an extremely enjoyable experience. This is why it should be legal, and there should be information available about how to take it in a low-risk way.

[Guest GhostRanger]

And no, Maijuana and Alcohol normally don't lead onto harder drugs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for all your well-researched facts that help us all realize you do in fact have the authority to assert the marijuana does not lead to harder drugs. You have done such a fantastic job at proving your expertise on the subject that we are all going to blindly believe you and ignore the fact that you have no given us a well-documented citation of the various amounts of research you have done to draw this conclusion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course, if you had done proper research, you would probably find that that in this debate there is about equal evidence and support for being both a gateway drug and not a gateway drug. I'm sure that you know something else that has led you to solve a problem that the expert community in drug/alcohol research has yet to solve. Since you've managed to do that already, how about giving some other problem a stab? Do you think you can solve world hunger? What about the middle east conflict? I'm sure billions of people would be grateful if you could put an end to that since no one else has been able to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Go on Rose! Amaze us with your brilliance even more!

[blue107]

weed should definitely be legalized

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you cant die from it and its really not that addicting, i have NEVER heard of anyone getting into a car crash while high or killing anyone

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

alchol has a lot worse effects, you see double, cant concentrate,pass out, cant see clearly, marijuana just makes you feel more relaxed and not as tense

[Guest GhostRanger]

weed should definitely be legalized

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you cant die from it and its really not that addicting, i have NEVER heard of anyone getting into a car crash while high or killing anyone

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

alchol has a lot worse effects, you see double, cant concentrate,pass out, cant see clearly, marijuana just makes you feel more relaxed and not as tense

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or illegalize both.

[blue107]

 

weed should definitely be legalized

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you cant die from it and its really not that addicting, i have NEVER heard of anyone getting into a car crash while high or killing anyone

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

alchol has a lot worse effects, you see double, cant concentrate,pass out, cant see clearly, marijuana just makes you feel more relaxed and not as tense

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or illegalize both.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they did that a long time ago and guess what? the government lost a lot of money and organized crime had a huge boom

[Anesthesia]

Or illegalize both.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's what I don't understand. There are so many people who say "weed isn't as bad as alcohol so it should be legal" and think that it is clear as day that it needs to be legalised. They just don't realise that it would be just as logical, if not moreso, to illegalise both.

[Guest GhostRanger]

 

Or illegalize both.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's what I don't understand. There are so many people who say "weed isn't as bad as alcohol so it should be legal" and think that it is clear as day that it needs to be legalised. They just don't realise that it would be just as logical, if not moreso, to illegalise both.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly. And to respond to what you wrote, blue - all you did was give a reason why illegalizing alcohol would be bad that has nothing to do with the effects of alchohol. Since marijuana currently isn't legal - keeping it illegally isn't going to cause the same effects prohibition should, and since we agree that alcohol and marijuana are both equally dangerous, we shouldn't legalize marijuana.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not trying to argue in favor of illegalizing marijuana here, I'm just saying that whether or not it is more dangerous than alcohol is not a selling point on why it should be legal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That said, you will find plenty of drug and alcohol experts who disagree with the assertion that alcohol is more dangerous than marijuana. One primary reason being that alcohol is oftentimes taken in amounts that aren't impairing, whereas the sole purpose of marijuana is to impair you. I'm not going to try and argue about whether or not marijuana is more dangerous than alcohol though - my point is that there are plenty of people in the field that believe marijuana is more dangerous, and plenty who believe alcohol is more dangerous.

[darkmage099]

weed should definitely be legalized

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you cant die from it and its really not that addicting, i have NEVER heard of anyone getting into a car crash while high or killing anyone

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

alchol has a lot worse effects, you see double, cant concentrate,pass out, cant see clearly, marijuana just makes you feel more relaxed and not as tense

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Right...too bad mj has long lasting effects, and kills your brain cells. Smoking one joing of mj is bad. Drinking one shot of liquor really isn't that bad.

[malo2]

This is my opinion: You should not punish people for making choices that only affect their lives. If people kill people or rob people while high on cocaine, then punish them for the crimes they comitted. Its a personal decision. *Waits to get flamed*!

But the problem is that the same people will then persuade other people to use the drugs, and a law disallowing that wont stop them at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, most drugs will make you dangerous to others. Drugs like crystal meth, badly affects you brain, and makes you do things you normally wouldn't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its better for everyone if its simply outlawed, because most people cant make these decisions on their own, so sometimes its better for the government to make them for you.

[blue107]

 

weed should definitely be legalized

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you cant die from it and its really not that addicting, i have NEVER heard of anyone getting into a car crash while high or killing anyone

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

alchol has a lot worse effects, you see double, cant concentrate,pass out, cant see clearly, marijuana just makes you feel more relaxed and not as tense

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Right...too bad mj has long lasting effects, and kills your brain cells. Smoking one joing of mj is bad. Drinking one shot of liquor really isn't that bad.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and who told you that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

alchol can ruin your life , whens the last time a motivational speaker came to your school to talk to you about them recovering from their marijuana problem? the only way marijuana could ruin your life is if you started using other drugs which are a lot worse

[darkmage099]

 

 

weed should definitely be legalized

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you cant die from it and its really not that addicting, i have NEVER heard of anyone getting into a car crash while high or killing anyone

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

alchol has a lot worse effects, you see double, cant concentrate,pass out, cant see clearly, marijuana just makes you feel more relaxed and not as tense

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Right...too bad mj has long lasting effects, and kills your brain cells. Smoking one joing of mj is bad. Drinking one shot of liquor really isn't that bad.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and who told you that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

alchol can ruin your life , whens the last time a motivational speaker came to your school to talk to you about them recovering from their marijuana problem? the only way marijuana could ruin your life is if you started using other drugs which are a lot worse

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Alcoholism can ruin your life. You make it sound like if I drink one glass of alcohol it's worse than smoking pot. We had a guest speaker speak about heroine?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you're basically saying that I can smoke pot and nothing will happen. My life will be perfectly fine and I'll continue making six figures?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you on pot? You just said it's completely harmless. I heard it makes you feel quite good as well. Gives you that high you know. Why don't you try some my friend? Or do you already smoke it?

[Guest GhostRanger]

Hey Blue! Tell that to the drug and alcohol counselors who's #1 client right now for life-damaging addictions are marijuana addicts and alcoholics.