Rose_2_Pure

Don't get a Pulse at all, Glory.

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Chaotic Maul requires 80 Attack is a touch better than AGS. I fought a Pure(as a pure) with it the other day(he was 80 99 1) who was using just maul and he would hit quite hard, typically a 350-400, his max was a 600 or so, and had he planned it out a bit better he would have absolutely destroyed me(Chaotic to Gmaul, MSB to Chaotic, etc). So while it is a very capable weapon, the only thing it will really do is increase the amount of Pures already in existence killing Rune Pures(crush). Oh, and the staff is worse than the Obsidian Maul. Good for an Obsidian Mauler who is using Magic, though, albeit he'd have to be 99 Strength to not be wasting his combat on Mage and would be better off getting 20 Att, a C. VLS and 94 Magic. So the Pures already in existence will take advantage of this like they did Godswords and such if they please, and are willing to get 80 Dung. Other than that nothing new was brought to the table. EDIT: Oh and regarding the Maple Longbow w/ Sight: The reason no one uses Longbows is universal, they're too slow to be of use. Unless it significantly increases the damage from 17(F2P max) to around 22 and increases the Accuracy then I can't imagine it being of any significant use. It would have no "KO" potential which is the main reason people use Scims > Longswords, as R2H will hit quicker, as well as why people use Maple Shortbow to R2H. Not to mention if the Sight increased the Longbow's damage output enough to be of any significance it would require a heft F2P mage update and Jagex does not seem willing to allow Blood Runes and Tangle in F2P, even though both Waves and Surges deal about the same damage as Melee does at it's equal level, except Melee is still faster.

Don't you think that alone demerits most of your argument alone? Doesn't that show exactly what I'm saying? Well I'm not into the PK scene anymore so I'm obviously not going to know a ton of names lol but Taco Limey is one of the few to actually grab my attention and even arouse my old interest in PKing. You're not going to find many people who are deep into the PK scene on tip.it. He also demerits most of your arguments regarding modern pkers not having the same role as old pkers. I'm not saying that there are absolutely no inspirational PKers today, I am saying that there are very, very few. Essentially everyone knows Taco Limey, primarily for his use of the new prayers early in their release, which is also a large unconsidered factor in his fame. I'm also not too into the PK scene and am aware of Tip.It's PvP affinity as I stated in the OP, but I am very active in the pure community and have been for a long time, and the only noticeable people I know of are Taco Limey, as I said, for his early use of the new prayers, and Bwuk, primarily because he was a TLP Warlord when I joined the TLP forums nearing four years ago.

Don't you think that alone demerits most of your argument alone? Doesn't that show exactly what I'm saying?

Of course, it was particularly annoying to fight someone with 15 people following them, the standing under you and spamming, etc, but I believe the ideology behind it was important to the PvP community, it gave people something to, quite literally, rally behind and support. A sense of family, almost. And I do believe that there were role models, at least among pures, inspiring people to not just create a pure, but to succeed as a pure. There are different levels of inspiration and I don't think that kind of inspiration has been peaked from a modern day PKer.

Point is not whether or not people can still enjoy older PK vids(albeit only people who enjoy them are typically nostalgic), but about the degradation of the Player Killing community and the lack of role-models. I am under the impression you recall the days when a famous PKer went PKing they'd end up with 20-some people following them. That doesn't happen anymore. There are good, known videos and PKers but there are very, very few who are universally recognized. Taco Limey, and among higher leveled clans Bwuk - that's pretty much it; there are pure clan leaders such as Mahatma but the only reason that fame remains is because he hasn't quit and Mayhem Makers continue to be a household name among pures. I of course am not ruling out the possibility that I am simply out-of-sync with the modern-day PvP community but I do not find that so likely that I only know of two quality video makers while there were several respected, well-known PKers in the earlier generations. Overall this isn't even about PK videos but about PKer fame, the lack of role-models and well-known PKers, and the continual degradation of the PvP community over the years.

Before we start for sake of discussion I would appreciate we keep this topic P2P based. I'm long time supporter, clan friend, and former rank of TLP - The Last Pures who are one of the "major" pure clans. As pures our primary function is PKing, so of course PK videos is a topic of interest, and among the older players like myself discussion of PKers "in our day" is also a topic-of-interest as some of us found them to be our inspiration. Of course PK videos are universal and regardless of account build people have made great videos and people have enjoyed great videos. So a discussion popped up on our clan forums asking if anyone remembered Devil Chn videos, very few modern day players knew who he was and so this discussion started. I request if you are to partake in this that you read the quote, it's shorter than it looks. (Might I add my universal forum and RS name is "Kitsym".) [hide] Not really Devil was around before pretty much everyone currently in TLP. I guess so - I hadn't realised how much time had passed since he was a familiar name What's amusing is that it's been so long for players like you and I is that "household names" like Devil are unknown to modern day players and we have no idea who the popular pkers of the day are - back in the day Hiei would have a fanboy or two talking to him wherever he went now he regularly logs on to farm without someone recognizing him at all. Perhaps PK videos as a genre though has degraded into a mixture of [cabbage] that even if there is a genuinely well-done video that it's not visible. due to a number of reasons I imagine.. notably the economy - from what I remember not alot of people were 'rich' when I played to begin with (esp when the likes of Hiei etc were popular) and thus couldn't afford to pk and/or create a pure.. and is it just me or did pures back then generally not have the high stats one would expect a typical pure to have today? Of course, with Jagex's updates over the last four-five years money making has become child's play(harharhar) and no longer is losing 400k a death that substantial. We used to value someone who fought in full adamantite because 40k was bank loot. Now 40k isn't even a blip on the screen, won't even pay off my sharks. Now it's not even that everyone is rich it's just that everyone can afford standard gear. The "rich" items are so much nowadays they aren't even PK gear. Even items like bandos, barrows, and PvP armor has become the norm. Well "back in the day" PC and SW were non-existent. With the influx of people getting high stats quickly so came no honor and a loss of respect for people who trained at experiments or shadow warriors with a Dlong. Now there is even a bracket factor, whereas accounts are conditioned to be certain combat levels, while before we simply did whatever we could to keep the advantage. A large reason for this is of course the updates such as void, torso, defenders, and the like, which give people with defense a tremendous damage-dealing ability. It is more appealing to be level 68 than it is to be 86. [/hide] The discussion details the lack of familiarity among today's PKing community for the most part, and branches into other topics which are also free to be discussed. Perhaps I as someone who's current Pure/Main is nearing five and a half years old has simply lost touch with the modern day PvP community, the other side of the coin would of course be, that so many PK videos are produced it has become the norm and so many PK videos are produced poorly that a diamond is not evident among the coal, which would be my main argument. Granted people will have their favorites, but "back in the day" love for a famous PKer was universal, not just among a select group. If the topic is poked at I will branch off into the degradation of the clan community and, if I can be bothered, RuneScape community, as a whole, and it's effects on those who continue to actively participate in clans or play RuneScape. As a more active forum I would like to attempt to bring Tip.It into the discussion. I am aware of Tip.It's lack-of-PKers, standard "do whatever you want" policy(despite RC Pkers being such a controversy), and their distaste in pures, that is, as far as 2008 or so is concerned. As always, keep it civil, and, although a much more demanding request as you may not realize you aren't doing so, keep it intelligent. Kitsym

Isn't it even more immature to make death threats and the like over something like a drawing, let alone a drawing by a "non-believer" , then it is to draw a picture to protest? Now both are immature, of course, but I believe by far that the former is superior in it's immaturity.

No I was never caught. I don't recall who the kid was but I believe I knew him.

Oh racist parties.. I don't think I can make any comments and be within Tip.It's rules. But here's an actually good confession: In the fifth or sixth grade I went to a friend's birthday party at a laser tag place, towards the end of the game I was hiding in a room and this kid came in and I shot him, he came back and shot me so I beat the [cabbage] out of him with my gun(that's not an exaggeration I literally beat this kid and apparently he pissed himself) . The game ended, everyone left, the kid wouldn't leave and they had to call his parents to get him out of the room. How's that for a Tip.It "community" confession? Also first post on Tip.It in ~2 years. Gentlemen.

I believe this was posted a long time ago as well. I could be wrong.

Hi, I'm an old Off-Topic user and was just dropping in to see if any of the users from 2+ years ago still post here. I can only remember a few usernames.. Katha(#) How2Pk Deloriagod(I think, made his own forums) Bubsa LP fgfuyuuy or something Shadowfox mercifull Ghostranger purplecrayon Oy Great indy500 apina something Realist Nadril darkrick The guy who liked Pink Floyd The girl who got the kitten me and katha wanted her to name it mojo The guy who we always found out was a guy then teased him forever, lion? The homosexual guy, don't think me and him were actually friends Sorry if I don't remember you, been a long time. I remember the boat thread that was like "If you had to pick someone to die on the boat who would you pick" and it was out of the regulars and no one chose me to die since I never had a sig or avatar for people to remember me by even though I posted often. If I'm not allowed to post this I apologize just thought it would be nice to see where my old forum-buddies have gone.

Want to know why? Because we have all these [cabbage]ty posts "Your favorite color/NPC/Monster/Place/Hairstyle?" and it's destroying general chat. Give all those [developmentally delayed]s their own sub-forums and give us back our forum so we can make appropriate, discussion-worthy threads instead of that junk. Argue..... NOW

Erm.. Suprise? Schizoid Personality Disorder - individual generally detached from social relationships, and shows a narrow range of emotional expression in various social settings. Antisocial Personality Disorder - individual shows a pervasive disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others.

It's... Entertaining to talk about, but the fact of the matter is we will NEVER know so what is their to discuss?

Off-Topic gets like 30 of these topics a year...

Lol your going to die.

Am I the only one who has thought Drugs?

Appears to be a 12-15k truck, grats.

Considering that amount of thoughtful, caring posts, Raven, you are wrong. Now for my opinion, considering the title of the thread, I think he/she is trolling. It wouldn't be the first time I can tell you that as fact. But if you are genuinely depressed I wish you the best of luck on getting better.

I'd fight too much and then when I'm not fighting/debating/arguing I'd have nothing to say so no thanks.

Really mature man. I ALWAYS watch the belly and the eyes of a girl. We were all thinking it. I don't really have a type although a nice [wagon] is never a bad thing. Although I agree with Zot with the stomach and eyes.

Defiling the American Flag is against the law. If you break the law you pay, you people need to stop flaming the government saying you have no free speech, because the fact is you do. But it's simply AGAINST THE LAW do defile the American flag and they had to pay jthe price. Simple.

What kind of pie am I eating right now?