blue107 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 the blu-ray drive alone cost about $800, very few consoles are overpriced if any, these companies make their money on games, not consoles. research before you speak How ironic. Maybe you should do research before you speak: http://www.isuppli.com/news/default.asp ... =11&y=2006 Notice where it says Blu-Ray Optical Drive - $125. and notice where it says the final cost is $800 of the whole thing, so i was right that they lose money on consoles 485th person to ever play RuneScapeBlue107- perm banned 10/12/2007. $300 USD reward if you can get me in contact with someone who will take 5 seconds to look at evidence and get my original character unbanned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
____ Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 People have been saying that Sony is losing money on it from the start - that's nothing new :uhh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackattack Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 this is a pretty messed up country if people are paying 15 grand for a game. My carbon footprint is bigger than yours...and you know what they say about big feet. These are the times that try mens souls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLancer Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Personally, I find that disgusting. You and all those others doing it. I know you've got the full right for it and you're probably 'smart' for doing it. But I don't think it's very decent. There are more than enough people that really want it and could've had it if it wasn't for people like you. I know it's only sony fanboys, so it isn't that bad as it would be with a nintendo fanboy, but still. If those people, like Nadril posted, really can't wait for a few weeks and sit in the rain for a console, why should I wait for somebody else to take that money? Because, if I didn't do it, somebody else would. Then years later I could be one of those smart-[wagon] on message boards who say "I wish I had re-sold PS3's when they came out". I learned enough on not buying into the google hype (just bought a few stocks to try it), and lost potentially tens of thousands because I was a fool. There are more than enough people that really want it and could've had it if it wasn't for people like you They're spoiled brats if they get sad and start crying when they don't get a gaming console. We're not talking about a limited-stock medicine that means the life and death to someone, and I jacked that. No. Maybe it's time for them to build character. ANYBODY who really wanted one, could have secured preorders a long, long time ago like I did (though I don't have interest in playing the console). I don't get it. I'm not a Sony fanboy and even I knew that. The instant it became public knowledge that Sony would ship only a ridiculously small amount of PS3's, people started getting ready to hoard them. Read this news article. http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-6136304.html "This is better than an hourly job," said Stan, 19. ..Like many I spoke with, Stan declined to give his last name as he plans to turn around immediately and sell his console to the highest bidder. (Other person)esse considers himself both. He said he was the third person in line to get a PlayStation 2 a few years ago, and made $3,500 selling it right away. Wow, sorry for thinking those guys are actually smart. A console is just for fun. Money is the stuff in life you really need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
How2PK Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 If those people, like Nadril posted, really can't wait for a few weeks and sit in the rain for a console, why should I wait for somebody else to take that money? Because, if I didn't do it, somebody else would. "If I didn't do it somebodye else would" is no justification. Do you look to other things the same way? Ah well, if I didn't use that spray deodorant way too often somebody else would. Ah well, I don't think I'm going to donate money to charity, somebody else will. There are more than enough people that really want it and could've had it if it wasn't for people like you They're spoiled brats if they get sad and start crying when they don't get a gaming console. We're not talking about a limited-stock medicine that means the life and death to someone, and I jacked that. No. Maybe it's time for them to build character. ANYBODY who really wanted one, could have secured preorders a long, long time ago like I did (though I don't have interest in playing the console). I don't get it. I'm not a Sony fanboy and even I knew that. Who said they're spoiled brats? Maybe they're 16 year olds that have been really looking forward to a PS3 and have worked for a year to save every little penny to get one with a controller and a game. And now they have to wait for another month because there's some guy who never has enough money and spoils everything. Signature by Maurice SendakWhen the stars make you drool just like a pasta fazool, that's amore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLancer Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 "If I didn't do it somebodye else would" is no justification. Do you look to other things the same way? Ah well, if I didn't use that spray deodorant way too often somebody else would. Ah well, I don't think I'm going to donate money to charity, somebody else will. It's funny, because I donate money to charities and don't use spray deodorants. Though, I'd argue both of those are 100 times more important than a gaming console. There are more than enough people that really want it and could've had it if it wasn't for people like you Who said they're spoiled brats? Maybe they're 16 year olds that have been really looking forward to a PS3 and have worked for a year to save every little penny to get one with a controller and a game. And now they have to wait for another month because there's some guy who never has enough money and spoils everything. They must live in a grand illusion then. When I was 7 years old I understood the concept of supply and demand, that something may actually run out. If they really want it, they can buy one from me (or if they were in my place, not sell it, just game with it). That scenario doesn't sound very "unfair" either. There are farmers in poor countries that work for $0.10 an hour, and western people like you eat their produce with no remorse. Sometimes they may be forced to slavery, you could just buy Fair Trade cereals, but no, that costs $4 more. It would be better spent on more luxuries than spoiling the entire life of a farmer who has no control over his future. Comparing my actions to real unfairness is itself 'unfair'. NOBODY needs a console, especially at 16. If they can even afford such an expensive console, they most likely have a home, a family earning $50,000+ a year, a computer, internet access, high quality food, television, DVD players, stereos... How many people in the world have those? Less than one percent. If you "need" a console at age 16, you need to get your head checked. I do know people aged 16, but none that would feel their life is shattered just because their spoiled first world butt has to wait for a gaming luxury for 1 more month. Boohoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue107 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 People have been saying that Sony is losing money on it from the start - that's nothing new :uhh: im surprised you didnt know these companies make money on games, not consoles :s 485th person to ever play RuneScapeBlue107- perm banned 10/12/2007. $300 USD reward if you can get me in contact with someone who will take 5 seconds to look at evidence and get my original character unbanned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faux Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 People have been saying that Sony is losing money on it from the start - that's nothing new :uhh: im surprised you didnt know these companies make money on games, not consoles :s Can you explain how the hell you got that from his post :lol: He just said everyone knows that Sony loses money at the start with the PS3 :: Guess the Movie Contest Champion: pfilc23 :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anesthesia Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 and notice where it says the final cost is $800 of the whole thing, so i was right that they lose money on consoles I never claimed they didn't lost money on consoles. I claimed that what you said about the blu-ray drive being $800 on its own was BS. People have been saying that Sony is losing money on it from the start - that's nothing new :uhh: im surprised you didnt know these companies make money on games, not consoles :s Can you explain how the hell you got that from his post :lol: He just said everyone knows that Sony loses money at the start with the PS3 Precisely - he says "that's nothing new". Some people are changed by being a moderator. I wouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faux Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6w6s4xZ-NY "reality synthesizer" Best PS3 commercial from what I've seen :: Guess the Movie Contest Champion: pfilc23 :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faux Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Is there currently an inflation of PS3 on ebay? I think most of those extravagant sales are bids from fake accounts. :: Guess the Movie Contest Champion: pfilc23 :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLancer Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Is there currently an inflation of PS3 on ebay? I think most of those extravagant sales are bids from fake accounts. If you look at the bids on these sales, they are usually authentic up to $1,500-$3,000 by bidders that have high reputation (in the hundreds or at least tens), after that they do seem to sometimes jump up to $8k and more by people with 0 reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
How2PK Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 That scenario doesn't sound very "unfair" either. There are farmers in poor countries that work for $0.10 an hour, and western people like you eat their produce with no remorse. Sometimes they may be forced to slavery, you could just buy Fair Trade cereals, but no, that costs $4 more. It would be better spent on more luxuries than spoiling the entire life of a farmer who has no control over his future. Comparing my actions to real unfairness is itself 'unfair'. NOBODY needs a console, especially at 16. If they can even afford such an expensive console, they most likely have a home, a family earning $50,000+ a year, a computer, internet access, high quality food, television, DVD players, stereos... How many people in the world have those? Less than one percent. If you "need" a console at age 16, you need to get your head checked. I do know people aged 16, but none that would feel their life is shattered just because their spoiled first world butt has to wait for a gaming luxury for 1 more month. Boohoo. So, you do understand what I'm trying to say. Because from this reply I can see that you disagree with what's happening to let's say the poor farmers. It's wrong that these farmers are screwed over. But when you're doing it yourself to a western kid that has worked for it (this doesn't have anything to do with daddy's income, as the kid saved up for it himself) it's suddendly okay? Or are you trying to justify it again because 'somebody else' is doing the same thing, but now in a worse way. No, Blue, you're not scoring any points, in my book. Signature by Maurice SendakWhen the stars make you drool just like a pasta fazool, that's amore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLancer Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 That scenario doesn't sound very "unfair" either. There are farmers in poor countries that work for $0.10 an hour, and western people like you eat their produce with no remorse. Sometimes they may be forced to slavery, you could just buy Fair Trade cereals, but no, that costs $4 more. It would be better spent on more luxuries than spoiling the entire life of a farmer who has no control over his future. Comparing my actions to real unfairness is itself 'unfair'. NOBODY needs a console, especially at 16. If they can even afford such an expensive console, they most likely have a home, a family earning $50,000+ a year, a computer, internet access, high quality food, television, DVD players, stereos... How many people in the world have those? Less than one percent. If you "need" a console at age 16, you need to get your head checked. I do know people aged 16, but none that would feel their life is shattered just because their spoiled first world butt has to wait for a gaming luxury for 1 more month. Boohoo. So, you do understand what I'm trying to say. Because from this reply I can see that you disagree with what's happening to let's say the poor farmers. It's wrong that these farmers are screwed over. But when you're doing it yourself to a western kid that has worked for it (this doesn't have anything to do with daddy's income, as the kid saved up for it himself) it's suddendly okay? Or are you trying to justify it again because 'somebody else' is doing the same thing, but now in a worse way. No, Blue, you're not scoring any points, in my book. No, the kid doesn't need his PS3. A farmer needs his money to survive. A farmer cannot wait for a month and magically, there will be more food for him. A kid can wait for 1 month and then start gaming on his console and possibly pay even less than the original price since the price goes down after time. If you disagree with everything that's "wrong", you would make sure you know the origin of everything you eat and consume and buy. Chances are, some workers in that chain of labour got royally screwed just because a person like you wanted to buy that product in a western country for cheap. When I resell a PS3, I'm not screwing up anybody. If a person has $1,200 to pay me for a gaming console, he is obviously very well off financially. However, even that person didn't need the console. He is just like your hypothetical 16-year old kid, the kid wants a console. I *want* profit (or if I may say, 'need'). What makes my need lesser than the kids, since we both don't really "need" either one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anesthesia Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 The people who buy the ebayed PS3s are paying a premium for their impatience. They could wait a couple of months and have it anyway for the normal price but they are impatient. As BlueLancer said, the farmer needs to eat - the kids don't need to game. The kids don't need to game, BlueLancer does need to eat. Investments are how he makes his money, how he buys his food. Reselling that PS3 will put food on his table. What's the difference between that and the buying stocks at low prices and then selling them at high that he does every day? Some people are changed by being a moderator. I wouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albosky Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Read a news article at work about "smarter then the average gamer". People sitting in those lines overnight to get a PS3 , then selling their spot in line for around $2000. Good stuff :lol: If Sony allowed preorders like with the ps2 so many years ago , I would have done the same thing I did then , buy 10 on my credit card , ebay them all, pay off the credit card and bank the other half of the money :) I like to fart silently but deadly in movie theatersArd Choille says (11:41 PM):I wouldn't dare tell you what to do m'dear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funky_nappy Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 That's just absurd... some people have too much money for their own good. Makes me wish I had pre-ordered one though :(. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
How2PK Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 When I resell a PS3, I'm not screwing up anybody. If a person has $1,200 to pay me for a gaming console, he is obviously very well off financially. However, even that person didn't need the console. He is just like your hypothetical 16-year old kid, the kid wants a console. I *want* profit (or if I may say, 'need'). What makes my need lesser than the kids, since we both don't really "need" either one? I'm not talking about a kid that has parents that cough up the extra thousand. I'm talking about the kid after you in line that doesn't have parents that cough up the money. I see what you're all saying, and it's logic. I just don't agree with it, nor do I have something to solve it. People should get some, excuse my words, f&%@ decency. And to me it doesn't matter if it's about a kid and a console or farmer selling his stuff low so he can eat. It's about the general idea. Not aproving something and doing the same to somebody else. And then bragging about it "says the man who milked out $2500 out of PS3 pre-orders". Sickening. Meh, I might as well just give you your right. It's something we just can't escape from. It's part of life. I just don't really like it and get worked up about it sometimes. Sorry Blue. Signature by Maurice SendakWhen the stars make you drool just like a pasta fazool, that's amore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLancer Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 It's about the general idea. Not aproving something and doing the same to somebody else. And then bragging about it "says the man who milked out $2500 out of PS3 pre-orders". Sickening. Meh, I might as well just give you your right. It's something we just can't escape from. It's part of life. I just don't really like it and get worked up about it sometimes. Sorry Blue. I must say I wasn't bragging, just stating it, but maybe I could've left it out altogether. My intention is not to insult anybody personally, I'm not extorting schoolkids to sell my PS3's. Most of them are actually bought by adults. And indeed, events like this are what I try to grab onto, since I've chosen the 'occupation' of investing. I can and do leave some investment opportunities because they either sound shady, the main person responsible doesn't sound trustworthy, or there is something really ethically/morally wrong (no matter how high the profit I would never engage in human trafficking, drugs, etc. not to mention it is also very risky) I find it to be a quite good alternative to just daytrading stocks, which Anesthesia mentioned, works on the exactly same principles, my personal risk is just much higher even if it can be mininised. I buy $10k worth of stock at $14.77 and at the end of the day, the price may have fluctuated up and down, if it goes up to say $15.00, I made a profit of about $155. Who loses out? The person who "needed" to sell his stock quick to me through a broker and didn't bother to wait for a bit to get the full potential of his profit. When I buy a PS3, there is always the risk nobody would buy my consoles. What the heck am I going to do with 3 consoles then that I have no interest in playing? Nothing, I just lost money for nothing. Compared to the risk (even though admittedly low in this case), asking a few hundred dollars extra from an eager customer isn't really robbery in my opinion, if he's willing to dish it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackattack Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 those darn merhanters! :evil: My carbon footprint is bigger than yours...and you know what they say about big feet. These are the times that try mens souls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megadedhed Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 you wanna see something sad? http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Computer-Ent ... videogames my dad just ordered one for next monday :XD: Sigs made by Runemetsa, Nuzza, Dark_Shadow, Kuroi and Me.liquid blobs attacking eachother American Anime... YAY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trapical Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 you wanna see something sad? http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Computer-Ent ... videogames my dad just ordered one for next monday :XD: LMAO At first I was like, what? Then I noticed the customer images \ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylersk8shop Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 i dont get y ppl want a ps3 since the xbox360 is 200$ cheaper and already has all the same games out as that, and some of the games that are out for the 360 are already out then there are ones for the ps3 that are already on xbox that iahve been delayed a year so whats the better deal here? xbox360=400$ xboxgames=60$ ps3=600$ ps3games=60$ you tell me the better deal PS3 is ALOT better! 128+ Combat \\ 1900+ Total Level \\ 85M+ EXP5,999th To 99 Woodcutting Achieved June 27, 200766,931st To 99 Strength Achieved January 23rd, 2009Draconic Visage: 1+ \\ DK Drops: 169+ \\ GWD Drops: 74+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trapical Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 i dont get y ppl want a ps3 since the xbox360 is 200$ cheaper and already has all the same games out as that, and some of the games that are out for the 360 are already out then there are ones for the ps3 that are already on xbox that iahve been delayed a year so whats the better deal here? xbox360=400$ xboxgames=60$ ps3=600$ ps3games=60$ you tell me the better deal PS3 is ALOT better! Uh, I wouldn't go that far. The 360 is a pretty serious piece of hardware. Its twin processors are nearly as fast as the Core and its graphics card is actually a little bit better. Yes the PS3 is a bit more powerful overall but the 360 already has an extensive game library and Xbox Live is a tested and tried great online service. I mean, the original Xbox and even the GameCube were superior to the PS2 in graphics and look how they all matched up in the end. If they all cost the same, I would have to say that yes, I would choose the PS3 but I think saying "is ALOT better!" is pushing it :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknownmasterofnothing Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 I played the ps3 and it feels way too old for me. Xbox 360, at least had some cool arcade games. I saw a few wii scalpers as well. Though it won't reap a good profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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