What's with the pixel craze?

[Quer_Skulll]

"Ashes to ashes and dust to dust..." I thought is how it went?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ehh could be truth is i cant remember :?

 

 

 

i thought it was dust to ashes and ashes to dust or the other way around

[Led-Zeppelin]

 

"Ashes to ashes and dust to dust..." I thought is how it went?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ehh could be truth is i cant remember :?

 

 

 

i thought it was dust to ashes and ashes to dust or the other way around

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Is what I've always thought it is.

[Leylen]

 

It doesn't belong in a cage. It belongs in a cold grave.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Leylen,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I felt like writing a letter to you, for i have herad of my dear departed grandfather when i visited his grave he told me you where suffering Mental Ilnesses and Combining that with a low IQ and pubirty you get.. you

 

 

 

it has come to my mind that this diagnosis speaks the truth and you really are suffering Mental Ilness etc etc. so i whanted to show my compasion in just how stupid you are and therefore im writing this letter {and grandma gives me cookies if i do to}

 

 

 

it has come to my attention that you have no sence for art and dignity aswell and that you are just a sad little boy who is suffering me.. bla bla

 

 

 

Docter T. Diagnosis told me that you are suffering from Death Depressions and are associating everything with death.

 

 

 

So my question written and stated out of this long letter is: "You wanna talk about it?"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yours, Skull

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I took art for over 3 years, I've visited every major and most minor galleries in britain, france, and even some in germany, I know what art looks like, and pixel scrawling is not it.

[How2PK]

I took art for over 3 years, I've visited every major and most minor galleries in britain, france, and even some in germany, I know what art looks like, and pixel scrawling is not it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One of the descriptions for art:

 

 

 

An expression of self, mind, body or spirit; A creative medium for one to express him or herself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can be audial, visual, or sunsual, often two or more of the above three.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Art is a great expression of self.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As somebody who 'took' art for over 3 years you should know that.

[MeXe]

i think its because it actually looks like something, and all you need is msn paint... (btw 500 posts, yay!)

[Leylen]

 

I took art for over 3 years, I've visited every major and most minor galleries in britain, france, and even some in germany, I know what art looks like, and pixel scrawling is not it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One of the descriptions for art:

 

 

 

An expression of self, mind, body or spirit; A creative medium for one to express him or herself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can be audial, visual, or sunsual, often two or more of the above three.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Art is a great expression of self.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As somebody who 'took' art for over 3 years you should know that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they're not expressing anything, they're drawing a bunch of crappy figures miming actions from a game.

[How2PK]

 

 

I took art for over 3 years, I've visited every major and most minor galleries in britain, france, and even some in germany, I know what art looks like, and pixel scrawling is not it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One of the descriptions for art:

 

 

 

An expression of self, mind, body or spirit; A creative medium for one to express him or herself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can be audial, visual, or sunsual, often two or more of the above three.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Art is a great expression of self.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As somebody who 'took' art for over 3 years you should know that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they're not expressing anything, they're drawing a bunch of crappy figures miming actions from a game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry for making another reply.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The statement they are not expressing anything at the board doesn't mean it never expresses someting. Tip it forums aren't the only place where pixel art is made. Your replies are getting more stupid each time you reply.

[misterxman]

 

 

I took art for over 3 years, I've visited every major and most minor galleries in britain, france, and even some in germany, I know what art looks like, and pixel scrawling is not it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One of the descriptions for art:

 

 

 

An expression of self, mind, body or spirit; A creative medium for one to express him or herself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can be audial, visual, or sunsual, often two or more of the above three.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Art is a great expression of self.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As somebody who 'took' art for over 3 years you should know that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they're not expressing anything, they're drawing a bunch of crappy figures miming actions from a game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I already said before that this forum isn't an art museum or DeviantArt. This forum is just a casual place to post pics of stuff, not the number 1 art gallery of the world. You complain about tipit's art as if it was the only art existing in the world. If you don't like it here, go somewhere else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's like someone complaining there are no RS pixel sigs in the Louvre because that person likes RS pixel sigs only, but opposite.

[Kossu]

 

 

 

I took art for over 3 years, I've visited every major and most minor galleries in britain, france, and even some in germany, I know what art looks like, and pixel scrawling is not it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One of the descriptions for art:

 

 

 

An expression of self, mind, body or spirit; A creative medium for one to express him or herself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can be audial, visual, or sunsual, often two or more of the above three.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Art is a great expression of self.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As somebody who 'took' art for over 3 years you should know that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they're not expressing anything, they're drawing a bunch of crappy figures miming actions from a game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I already said before that this forum isn't an art museum or DeviantArt. This forum is just a casual place to post pics of stuff, not the number 1 art gallery of the world. You complain about tipit's art as if it was the only art existing in the world. If you don't like it here, go somewhere else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's like someone complaining there are no RS pixel sigs in the Louvre because that person likes RS pixel sigs only, but opposite.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So true x-man.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now I'm not an artist at all... I don't mind pixel sigs... Whilst I had some, then I got rid of em is my business. I beleive in supporting artist's, if I see something that I think looks good, I will ask that artist to make me something and if it suits my taste I will pay them for it... (ran shadow2, misterxman, noxide... etc) however I have moved on and I'm now pretty much just makin my own sigs... I think that's how sigs should be handled. You make your own, and don't make them about rs... Just make em about something you wish to express... (like my current sig, I wanted to express that Di would mess you up in wild and I beleive I have done that succesfully)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just my 2c, I don't beleive in dissing peoples art and I don't beleive in putting people down for something they work hard (or not so hard) on.

[Leylen]

It's not art, it's [bleep]ing awful scrawling that wouldn't win a childrens art show.

[Leylen]

 

 

 

 

I took art for over 3 years, I've visited every major and most minor galleries in britain, france, and even some in germany, I know what art looks like, and pixel scrawling is not it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One of the descriptions for art:

 

 

 

An expression of self, mind, body or spirit; A creative medium for one to express him or herself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can be audial, visual, or sunsual, often two or more of the above three.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Art is a great expression of self.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As somebody who 'took' art for over 3 years you should know that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they're not expressing anything, they're drawing a bunch of crappy figures miming actions from a game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I already said before that this forum isn't an art museum or DeviantArt. This forum is just a casual place to post pics of stuff, not the number 1 art gallery of the world. You complain about tipit's art as if it was the only art existing in the world. If you don't like it here, go somewhere else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's like someone complaining there are no RS pixel sigs in the Louvre because that person likes RS pixel sigs only, but opposite.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So true x-man.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now I'm not an artist at all... I don't mind pixel sigs... Whilst I had some, then I got rid of em is my business. I beleive in supporting artist's, if I see something that I think looks good, I will ask that artist to make me something and if it suits my taste I will pay them for it... (ran shadow2, misterxman, noxide... etc) however I have moved on and I'm now pretty much just makin my own sigs... I think that's how sigs should be handled. You make your own, and don't make them about rs... Just make em about something you wish to express... (like my current sig, I wanted to express that Di would mess you up in wild and I beleive I have done that succesfully)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just my 2c, I don't beleive in dissing peoples art and I don't beleive in putting people down for something they work hard (or not so hard) on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you think sigs should be non rs, and you claim your sig about a runescape clan defeating people in the runescape wild meets that requirement? :roll:

[tttia]

Mods, I hope to reply, please don't lock this yet due to one or two ppl flaming. The rest of us are having a sensible discussion. Just trim out the bad spot in the apple so to speak, I implore you!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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K, here is my reply....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Once you have been doing pixel for so long, and you become good at it, all it says about you is that you are too lazy to learn how to really brush. :lol: And most of the cabbage i see here now isn't even pixel. That smellysocks guy uses flash to do vector, and sizes them down.... that isn't pixel... hell, it isn't even raster.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like to do some brushing myself, and vector, as of course you and Terry know. But I will say this for pixel,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

a. It is a real art form. It does take skill, and it is representational, which to me is a good thing. I really like some of them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

b. It is easier to fit pixel images in sigs. I love brushing, but getting them under that 150 height limit and still having them look good is just DIFFICULT! That is why we see more brushing works in larger sizes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

why does everyone classify sigs in two categories: pixel or abstract

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

there are many more styles...and like I said before, misterxman, you do not have to use paint/pixel-sigs to express your artistic talent. you can draw/paint in photoshop you know...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not everyone wants to buy a computer program for $700 now do they?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I classify sigs as; pixel, landscape, photomanip, brushed or absract. I don't know them all cause I'm a noob.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And the fact that you can say you made such a wicked looking thing in the most basic of programs; MS Paint is alot cooler than saying you made it in PhotoShop.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes, misterx does rule at pencil drawings, my dragon owns ;).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually using a lesser program and saying that makes you better is illogical. Yeah, it might take more effort. I think the term "work smart not hard" applies here. You can do incredible things with the tools of better programs. And they are not all skill free either. Airbrushing which simulates actual art mediums is a great fun tool that still requires skill.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Theres more quality in pixel work, then cged/ cell shaded works.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Naw, I don't think so at all. It all depends on the picture. Cell shading...maybe, but really a lot of pixelers USE cell shading styles if not techniques.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Theres more quality in pixel work, then cged/ cell shaded works.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

wow...I cant believe how dumb of a statement that was. Have you ever seen a digital painting? I dont mean a crappy one. I mean the kind that take 20 hours, the kind that look so real they look like a photograph. the kind that take so much work its not even funny, painting it in with the paintbrush, one layer only, and using matte colors.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

there great cause there drawn and takes hard effort and work to make them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

same as above.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not everyone wants to buy a computer program for $700 now do they?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I classify sigs as; pixel, landscape, photomanip, brushed or absract. I don't know them all cause I'm a noob.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And the fact that you can say you made such a wicked looking thing in the most basic of programs; MS Paint is alot cooler than saying you made it in PhotoShop.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

have you ever heard of a wonderful new thing on the internet, called downloading?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and you should not classify sigs at all. theres a lot more styles than that, and its great to see everyone with a unique style. thats why I associate sig 'types' with their artist's name.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I do not believe the program should matter. the people who are making 3d models for movies, should they be criticized for using a 3d program and not drawing the thing out frame by frame in a basic program? no. advanced programs take advanced talent, thats a fact. with greater functionality comes a greater learning curve.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do not believe the statement "theres more quality in pixel work, then cged/ cell shaded works" can be even close to true. everyone has their own idea of quality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

AS for downloading, yup, illegal, shoudln't do it, shouldn't promote it, shouldn't even think about it. Those guys have to make a living too. That is why I am still with photopaint 9, but hey, I can still get some decent results from it and I know I am legal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But there are decent free programs. Pixia churns out some good work, and open canvass in its earlier versions is free, so there is no need to resort to illegality. Also check out project dog waffle...yes, that is the real name. Great brushes etc...but no layers! Something about wanting realism. DOH! The best thing about the spendier programs is the community! They have lots of refinement and tutorials. But the lesser programs can still do well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I tend to agree with the other comments you made.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

wow...I cant believe how dumb of a statement that was. Have you ever seen a digital painting? I dont mean a crappy one. I mean the kind that take 20 hours, the kind that look so real they look like a photograph. the kind that take so much work its not even funny, painting it in with the paintbrush, one layer only, and using matte colors.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ok show me a 'high quality' digital painting. Pixel art can have the most quality ever because it does down to the smallest unit on the computer. And yes everyone has different versions of quality. Little kids will see these ugly pixel sigs coming up as really good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

erm...no. Limiting yourself to one pixel does result in small, compact, vivid images. But it does not come close to accomplishing the variation of hues, transparency, transluscence, blending of colors, etc. that occurs in real life. All raster painting gets down to the pixel level. Just that some actually make better use of pixels to create more realism.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some of the digital paintings out there simply astound me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Having said that I think that pixeling is a tough art form. Not because some use archaic programs, but because it requires you to make everything compact, reduce colors to base values, and in other ways LIMITS your expression. Real pixelers even minimize their color palette to fit game display capabilities, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would in fact like to try it sometime. It seems quite nice for small format images such as sigs, and limiting oneself can be fun...think of haiku or sonnet writing for instance. Insanely strict meter to express boundless ideas.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The big downfall of the pixel craze though is that it finally put a knife in what was actually a good movement. The movement away from sigs as the dominant expression of artistic talent on this board. I love sigs, and trying to fit a masterpiece into a customers wishes and the space allotted definitely hones skills. But in the final analysis I think that expanding out to larger art forms is a plus for this board. And while I rejoice at more actual free-handers now, I am a bit down that they are using it just for pixel sigs.

[Terry]

hehe yeah :P it isnt a bad discussion...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyway, all artists start out with 'scrawling'...lol. pixel sigs are art. just because something does/doesn't look good doesnt make it any more/less art. I just poured BBQ sauce all over the counter to express my rage...its classified as art.

[unknownmasterofnothing]

Well the only art used here are sigs. And pixel sigs use limited colors thats why it should be better for sigs. You can do awesome animations and still have it under 30kb. Its just people here aren't really good at pixeling. Drawing little characters using brushes is really hard to make under the size limit. One click produces like 20 different colors.

[tttia]

It is not the kb limits that bother me. It is the 150 pixel height limit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And if one click produces that many colors you did something wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only art done here is NOT sigs. That is my point. the DAG might have been in many ways flawed, but it certainly was an era of more than just sigs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We saw some cool paintings from witty, some large 3d stuff, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is the media board. Not the siggy board. I agree that sigs do and should make up a large portion of the subject matter here, but they should not be, and are not , the only thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personally I think Jeppoz' other works are better than his pixel sigs. I think if he honed his skills he could some day be making paintings on devart that people would BUY WITH REAL MONEY and exclaim about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is no slam at his pixel work,or his sig work in general. It is just the limitation of the medium.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

His first color job on that goblin was awesome. And he has a line drawing that he never finished (I don't think) that I really loved (the baby draconian looking one).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think both the sigs and the larger scale works should be encouraged.

[The_Jeppoz]

Well the only art used here are sigs. And pixel sigs use limited colors thats why it should be better for sigs. You can do awesome animations and still have it under 30kb. Its just people here aren't really good at pixeling. Drawing little characters using brushes is really hard to make under the size limit. One click produces like 20 different colors.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While you are the boss at pixeling... :roll:

 

 

 

All i've seen coming from you is a pixel battle u called and chikened (the one EIssob posted his nice robot in) and a Yu-gi-oh dragon copied from the card itself in which u didn't use any of the tecniques whose lack u keep ranting about, that u tried to sell in 3 sig shops where u never got an order (or accomplished one at least). So what's it...you failed your try at pixel and now you keep ranting/whining on everything that's pixel related ? :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(of course i'm only talking for what i've seen on these boards, but this is also what all other users have aswell...and i think the feeling is the same of mine)

[tttia]

They are just breaking the conventions of pixeling, adapting it to their task. Only a truly rabbid prescriptive pixeler would really stress over that :)

[Lion]

Leylen, if you don't like pixel sigs fine. Don't buy one. Just don't flame people because they do. If you studied art you should understand that just because you don't agree with someone it doesnt make them wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I personally don't like your signature but I understand that others might so I don't go and say, "Anyone who likes that style of art is stupid."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Art isn't like math where there is a right answer and a wrong answer, it's more about expressing your feelings.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So stop flaming and read your books again, you'll find that what I've just said is correct.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kthxbye. :wink:

[tttia]

oh how I wish the old boards were still around so I could cut and paste..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

art for most of time was representational. It was not abstract or about feelings. It was only after the advent of workable photography that artists for forced this direction to make a living!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The fantasy and sci fi genres have been a great boost to realistic art.

[Leylen]

Leylen, if you don't like pixel sigs fine. Don't buy one. Just don't flame people because they do. If you studied art you should understand that just because you don't agree with someone it doesnt make them wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I personally don't like your signature but I understand that others might so I don't go and say, "Anyone who likes that style of art is stupid."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Art isn't like math where there is a right answer and a wrong answer, it's more about expressing your feelings.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So stop flaming and read your books again, you'll find that what I've just said is correct.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kthxbye. :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am accepting of any type of real art, which pixel scrawling is not. Any more than you would call someone spitting on the sidewalk art, and I'm not flaming, I'm aggressively stating my opinion.

[misterxman]

 

Leylen, if you don't like pixel sigs fine. Don't buy one. Just don't flame people because they do. If you studied art you should understand that just because you don't agree with someone it doesnt make them wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I personally don't like your signature but I understand that others might so I don't go and say, "Anyone who likes that style of art is stupid."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Art isn't like math where there is a right answer and a wrong answer, it's more about expressing your feelings.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So stop flaming and read your books again, you'll find that what I've just said is correct.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kthxbye. :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am accepting of any type of real art, which pixel scrawling is not. Any more than you would call someone spitting on the sidewalk art, and I'm not flaming, I'm aggressively stating my opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for your 87th analogy of art and pixel sigs, and for backing it with very specific, reliable, and fair evidence to support your opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Universally, art can be anything I think. I think it is understood by humanity that anything we make can be art if we call it so, even if only a few people like it. You can't say "pixel sigs are not art" because who are you to say what is art and what isn't art in the world, but you can say "I think pixel sigs shouldn't be considered art because...".

[blazer]

Anything can be art. I went to the Australian National Art Gallery last year and I remember seeing paintings that were just a green background with a few white and yellow dots in random places. Art can be anything and everything!

[Greatsilverwyrm]

Alright, I've looked over this, and I don't actually see anything that needs to be removed...however....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Leylen, you are entitled to your opinion, however, I'd really prefer that you expressed it in a way that wasn't directly insulting people, or swearing. If you continue to make posts like you have been making further action will be taken.

[Leylen]

Alright, I've looked over this, and I don't actually see anything that needs to be removed...however....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Leylen, you are entitled to your opinion, however, I'd really prefer that you expressed it in a way that wasn't directly insulting people, or swearing. If you continue to make posts like you have been making further action will be taken.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not insulting them, I'm insulting what they practice, their just sideline casualties.

[misterxman]

 

Alright, I've looked over this, and I don't actually see anything that needs to be removed...however....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Leylen, you are entitled to your opinion, however, I'd really prefer that you expressed it in a way that wasn't directly insulting people, or swearing. If you continue to make posts like you have been making further action will be taken.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not insulting them, I'm insulting what they practice, their just sideline casualties.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Insulting won't help changing the current "fad" of pixel sigs. If you don't like what's going on, change it by starting something you like yourself. Of course, it might be tough, but the first pixel sig maker who came to tipit (don't know who) did it. Someone tried M&M's sigs. I tried pencil drawing sigs, moved on because it took too long.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unless you plan to attempt to change the fad, insulting it won't help one bit. Either live with it, or go to another forum or in RL. So far you accomplished 0 progress by all the ranting you have done so far. As far as I've seen, RL has exactly what you want, and I have only seen abstract art a few times in some minor RL competitions. I'm not sure why you chose the tipit Media board as your art forum, but it isn't the only choice on the net for art appreciation. No one is forcing you to see what's here, you are free to check any other art community until you find what you want.