If there were several laws allowing people to eat babies in other states do you think it would be okay to pass in a third state just because its in the first two states?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hate people who think that just because somewhere, somehow a lame law got passed, it deems it alright for it to be passed in other areas. Or the fact that some law makes an act illegal automatically deems it immoral. I hate people who dont stop to think for a second about the actual fact of the matter instead of jumping to conclusions. THINK ABOUT IT. IS BLIND PEOPLE HUNTING OKAY. NO

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is NO basis for you to say its okay since it was passed in other states. So please stop using that invalid argument.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How many times was it said that they have aid when shooting? Hey, maybe we should ban legally blind people from riding cars even though someone who can see is driving. Am I right? Yeppers.

 

Like I have said many times, it has always been legal for blind people to hunt anywhere in the US. This law just lets them use lasersights and guides so they can actually hit something.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If there were several laws allowing people to eat babies in other states do you think it would be okay to pass in a third state just because its in the first two states?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hate people who think that just because somewhere, somehow a lame law got passed, it deems it alright for it to be passed in other areas. Or the fact that some law makes an act illegal automatically deems it immoral. I hate people who dont stop to think for a second about the actual fact of the matter instead of jumping to conclusions. THINK ABOUT IT. IS BLIND PEOPLE HUNTING OKAY. NO

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is NO basis for you to say its okay since it was passed in other states. So please stop using that invalid argument.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What do you eat? Do you eat meat? Do you eat plants? If the former is the case, those animals spend their entire lives in captivity until Juan the illegal immigrant hits them over the head with a hammer and starts carving them up alive. At least hunted animals have the right to be free and succumb to a predator in the chain of life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Woohoo! I love racists!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, it was hyperbole regarding the rediculousness of calling hunting cruel, but mass-slaughter methods ok.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And to be completely honest, my statement is true. I am not a racist, but tour a meat factory sometime. Then you will see my point.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why not? Hunting does not require sight, and the Caddo and Iroqois tribes actually blindfolded braves to test their hunting skills.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Second...what? There is no law ANYWHERE in ANYSTATE that prohibits blind people from hunting. That was my point.

 

 

It does not justify the taking of an innocent life, I'm sorry but that's just what I think.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First, what makes you think that morality can be applied to non-human animals?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Second, if you can prove that holding animals morally responsible makes sense, can you prove that the animals being hunted are actually innocent?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Firstly, I'm not saying it can. But surely even physical pain is extensive suffering? And if an animal suffers for the rights of human entertainment... really fair?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Secondly, Well, ok. Not innocent. I would never go as far as to say they're anywhere near the human level of intelligence and therefore do not have a sense of morals. But still, what kind of wrong could a rabbit, or a duck do? Innocent until proven guilty, I say.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Think about this.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not always human entertaiment, cheif. Hunters frequently eat what they catch. It's called the circle of life. Animals kill other animals for there food to. So if you think of humans as animals then we are doing the same as our animal brothers. We are completleing the circle of life and therefor everything is in balance. And when you bring up what kind of harm a rabbit or duck could do, near nothing. Your right, they are innocent, but hunters don't hunt to punish. It's not like we are sentancing them to death for a crime, thats not why we hunt, is it?

How many times was it said that they have aid when shooting? Hey, maybe we should ban legally blind people from riding cars even though someone who can see is driving. Am I right? Yeppers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes they have aid, but the blind person has the gun, therefore your analogy is inaccurate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why not? Hunting does not require sight, and the Caddo and Iroqois tribes actually blindfolded braves to test their hunting skills.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Heres my analogy to that statement: Why not? People can try to exterminate other races, and the Nazis actually put them in internment camps and tried to kill them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now that i am done with that ridiculous analogy i will explain what i mean. 1) Blind people arent braves. 2) Blind people are native americans. 3) The weapons have changed a little bit 4) The style of hunting changed a lot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is possibly the dumbest analogy on this thread. Just because it happened somewhere a while ago doesnt make it valid by any stretch of the imagination. I dont get why you cant understand that. Go read what i said before: previous actions made upon something do not change the absolute subject matter of the thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Second....what? I never said that a state had laws to prohibit them. I was saying they should.

Typical, a man who wasn't blind managed to shoot a friend. Just imagine someone blind...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On top gear a guy went round the track blind folded! Just imagine what the passenger giving instructions felt like.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~MAK

i still believe that you need to see what youre hunting... well if they can hunt with no eye sight and a person next to them, they should also be allowed to drive a car or navigate a plane.

 

 

 

and somehow thats typical american :-k

Just a little something I'd like to throw in here because I was thinking about it earlier..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Without hunting (where I live) there would be a lot of car accidents and potentially many more deaths because of deer wandering onto roads. There are already a lot of deer related accidents where I live, but there would be far more if it wasn't for hunters keeping the deer population down. My point: No hunting means more deer. More deer means more car accidents. More car accidents means more deaths. Not all accidents result in death, but there is always the possibility.

 

How many times was it said that they have aid when shooting? Hey, maybe we should ban legally blind people from riding cars even though someone who can see is driving. Am I right? Yeppers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes they have aid, but the blind person has the gun, therefore your analogy is inaccurate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why not? Hunting does not require sight, and the Caddo and Iroqois tribes actually blindfolded braves to test their hunting skills.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Heres my analogy to that statement: Why not? People can try to exterminate other races, and the Nazis actually put them in internment camps and tried to kill them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now that i am done with that ridiculous analogy i will explain what i mean. 1) Blind people arent braves. 2) Blind people are native americans. 3) The weapons have changed a little bit 4) The style of hunting changed a lot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is possibly the dumbest analogy on this thread. Just because it happened somewhere a while ago doesnt make it valid by any stretch of the imagination. I dont get why you cant understand that. Go read what i said before: previous actions made upon something do not change the absolute subject matter of the thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Second....what? I never said that a state had laws to prohibit them. I was saying they should.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Could that be any more offensive? At least my analogy had something to do with the topic at hand instead of an offensive statement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Blind people have hightened senses, sir. They are not disabled. I still fail to see how we should deprive them of a task they could actually accomplish. Driving is not a fair comparison.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I sat here a bit thinking about how hard it would be for a blind person to hunt. I have concluded that it is not hard at all, as sight is just one facet of the skills required in shooting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They have someone there to be their eyes.

 

 

 

(Photo: Eric Tissenbaum & Dave Baskin) The event that established national shooting sports history occurred on July 8, 2005, at the NRA-Beeman competition in Nitro, West Virginia. On that date, Eric Tissenbaum of Nitro, became the first visually impaired/blind marksman to ever compete aganist fully sighted marksmen in a national level precision air rifle competition. Eric's score of 423 out of a possible 600 points, ranked him 16th of the 20 competitors and ahead of four sighted marksmen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This landmark development was the result of research conducted by Dave Baskin, manager of NRA Disabled Shooting Services. By the time Tissenbaum came to take his place on the firing line, Baskin had satisfactorily addressed the important challenges of safety, target identification, communication integrity, and the parity between marksmen using visual indicators and those utilizing verbal ones.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A designated assistant system was selected, whereby a sighted partner would verbally guide the visually impaired marksman in the aiming and shooting process, while closely monitoring all safety considerations. A similar partnering system for blind hunters has been employed for more than 40 years, and has proven so successful and safe that many states permit it's use.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Several items of equipment, which were applied in an adaptive manner, played a pivotal role in this historic event. Baskin designed a rifle and sight combination that allowed the assistant to sit beside and guide the marksman, while being within reach of the equipment at all times. In the interest of shooting sports development, the Crossman Corporation generously volunteered to work with Dave and build an air rifle to his specifications. The Cross Challenger 2000 was equipped with a laser projection device, mounted where the rear sight is usually affixed. This combination allowed the assistant to follow the red dot on the target and indicate it's position to the visually impaired marksman.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Consistent accuracy is the goal of all target shooting sport events. On the surface, this goal would appear to be outside the realm of possibility for a blind marksman. However, Baskin was able to utilize a piece of equipment in a new way that allowed the marksman to know the exact location of the rifle barrel at all times, even though he was unable to see it. The rifle support stand, which was usually reserved for those competitors with reduced upper body strength, was assigned a new function as a fixed reference point from which the visually impaired marksman could physically recognize the horizontal and vertical positioning of the gun's barrel. This unique application of the support stand was enhanced by the fact that most blind people possess a more highly developed muscle memory than a sighted person. The design of the stand also provided an additional safety benefit by mechanically limiting the rifle's range of motion to the immediate target and backstop area.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since an individual's visual impairment may vary widely from person to person, it became clear that a way had to be found to ensure a fair competition for all those marksmen participating in this category. It was decided to require that a standard eye cover be worn by these particular competitors. This rule also guaranteed that the marksman's concentration upon their assistant's verbal commands would not be compromised by any partial visual distractions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While researching this project, Baskin discovered that the command to fire often caught the marksman by surprise, causing a less than perfect shot. To solve this dilemma, Dave introduced the use of a precursor or warning word, to precede the command to fire The precursor alerted the marksman's response mechanisms to the fact that the firing command was about to follow, which resulted in a better quality of shot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The progress made by the 2005 NRA-Beeman Tour, was an achievement of major proportions for the more than three million Americans with visual impairments and blindness. The NRA Disabled Shooting Services developed a method for this large segment of the population to safely participate in an important shooting sports event. Moreover, many of the procedures and adaptive equipment applications developed as a result of this innovative research program, will assist state departments of Natural resources to better accommodate the growing number of visually impaired/blind hunters.

More deer means more car accidents. More car accidents means more deaths. Not all accidents result in death, but there is always the possibility.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So are you trying to say that killing animals is good, so that we, the overpopulated human race that screws up this planet, can survive?

 

 

 

That's what I would say when I was 16. But now, well, I might be fond of meat, but I never liked hunting. I think it's very difficult to decide what we should and should not do. It's definitely not the animal's choice to die, but nor is it another animal's choice to live its entire life trapped in some kind of stable waiting to get butchered.

 

 

 

Apart from the animals -who are always the victim here-, I don't think it's bad that blind people can do something they'd like to do once. I could never shoot anything that's alive if I wasn't forced to do it, but I guess some people think they possess over that power. If I'd be a religious man I'd say only God can kill; but the Bible states somewhere that animals only exist to feed us, humans and I don't think he's going to strike one down every time we're hungry :|

How about hunters join the army instead, if they enjoy killing so much.

How about hunters join the army instead, if they enjoy killing so much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then you run the risk of dieing and leaving your family to fend for themselves. Plus you're taking a human life, which (as humans) we value over the lives of animals. Also, just because you join the Army doesn't mean you get to kill anything. Your country has to be at war and you have to go through training before you're off.

 

 

 

This is from another thread, but one of the things I'd like to do before I die is fight in a war. I think hunting would be quite fun so following your thinking, I should have a jolly time killing humans. It won't be so bad after I get the mentality that if I don't shoot them, they'll shoot me..

 

How about hunters join the army instead, if they enjoy killing so much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then you run the risk of dieing and leaving your family to fend for themselves. Plus you're taking a human life, which (as humans) we value over the lives of animals. Also, just because you join the Army doesn't mean you get to kill anything. Your country has to be at war and you have to go through training before you're off.

 

 

 

This is from another thread, but one of the things I'd like to do before I die is fight in a war. I think hunting would be quite fun so following your thinking, I should have a jolly time killing humans. It won't be so bad after I get the mentality that if I don't shoot them, they'll shoot me..

 

 

 

exactly too scared to fight something that can shoot back.

I have no problem hunting something that can effectively kill me if I screw up.

 

 

 

Adds more to the challenge really.

Could that be any more offensive? At least my analogy had something to do with the topic at hand instead of an offensive statement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Blind people have hightened senses, sir. They are not disabled. I still fail to see how we should deprive them of a task they could actually accomplish. Driving is not a fair comparison.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I sat here a bit thinking about how hard it would be for a blind person to hunt. I have concluded that it is not hard at all, as sight is just one facet of the skills required in shooting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They have someone there to be their eyes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe it was the blunt force necessary to make you see how ridiculous your analogy was. I am sure it helped in some shape. Not to mention it was a completely apt comparison. I only had to resort to such measures since you chose not to listen to my 2 previous posts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Blind people are not disabled? i hate to do it but the definition is ": to make incapable or ineffective; especially : to deprive of physical, moral, or intellectual strength". I would have to say blind people are pretty well disabled. I highly doubt hunting blind with an aid could be fun. Not to mention they wouldnt kill anything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And i do think driving is a very good comparison. Both requre 90% eye sight and the other 10% are motor skills. How is that not apt?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you get over the fact that people might not all be professional shooters and face the fact that an ordinary man sucks at shooting a gun with 20/20 eye sight. How do you think a blind person would shoot who has probably never shot a gun in his life? The amount of skill required to shoot a gun accurately is very high with normal eye sight.

Evilperson, please reference my article that I posted a few up. There are blind professionals.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

exactly too scared to fight something that can shoot back.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Err, wtf? How many of our boys in Iraq kill someone, eat their meat, and then mount the head on a wall?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hunting and War are two completely unrelated things.

Not meaning to be mean but... the joy in hunting is Spotting the Kill, Shooting the Animal, and Seeing what you have killed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And last time I checked, the blind do not see very well. :oops: So the only thing they can really do is shoot, but how do they know where to aim?