How come Jagex doesn't take down updates that didn't work?

[Zepheras]

Too bad I'm not P2P, otherwise this'll appear on their forum instead...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A little more than half a year ago, Jagex introduced the pure/reg ess thing, and as usual, people go to the members' forum to post about how great it was and how many autoers were going to leave.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Short summary:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PAST:

 

 

 

1) Everyone mine rune essence.

 

 

 

2) Ess were 30gp ea more or less. Craftable into any rune types

 

 

 

3) Lots of autominers, obviously.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

THE CHANGES:

 

 

 

1) Members with lvl 30 mining and runecraft get pure essence when mining.

 

 

 

2) F2Ps, and people without the required lvls mine regular essence.

 

 

 

3) Regular essence can only be used to craft air, fire, water, earth, mind and body runes. Pure ess is used to craft all, most importantly LAW AND NATURE RUNES

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED

 

 

 

1) Since laws and nats are the most important runes, autoers who mined reg ess cannot sell them to members to craft.

 

 

 

2) Value of reg ess should drop, pure ess should remain more or less the same.

 

 

 

3) Number of autominers should drop.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED

 

 

 

1) Price of reg ess is 30gp ea. Price of pure ess is 100gp ea.

 

 

 

2) Number of autominers didn't change much.

 

 

 

3) And they now have the option of whether to pay 5 bucks a month to earn 3 times the gp... -.-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

AND SO.....it didn't work! Plus, the cost of pure ess drives up the nats and laws price. Runecrafters earn less from selling them, alchers get less from high alching. Autominers can continue selling reg ess for 30gp ea. And somehow introduce a new scam of tricking people into buying reg ess when they thought it's pure ess, bad bad update!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, why didn't Jagex REMOVE this pure/reg ess thing? :wall: It didn't hurt the autominers, but hurt the normal players instead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PS: If anyone wish to paste this in the official runescape forum, feel free to do so :twisted:

[Tbfgraphx14]

Send this to Jagex lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But I do belive there is already a ess rant :-k

[rune2thescape]

Too bad I'm not P2P, otherwise this'll appear on their forum instead...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A little more than half a year ago, Jagex introduced the pure/reg ess thing, and as usual, people go to the members' forum to post about how great it was and how many autoers were going to leave.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Short summary:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PAST:

 

 

 

1) Everyone mine rune essence.

 

 

 

2) Ess were 30gp ea more or less. Craftable into any rune types

 

 

 

3) Lots of [rulebreaker], obviously.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

THE CHANGES:

 

 

 

1) Members with lvl 30 mining and runecraft get pure essence when mining.

 

 

 

2) F2Ps, and people without the required lvls mine regular essence.

 

 

 

3) Regular essence can only be used to craft air, fire, water, earth, mind and body runes. Pure ess is used to craft all, most importantly LAW AND NATURE RUNES

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED

 

 

 

1) Since laws and nats are the most important runes, autoers who mined reg ess cannot sell them to members to craft.

 

 

 

2) Value of reg ess should drop, pure ess should remain more or less the same.

 

 

 

3) Number of [rulebreaker] should drop.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED

 

 

 

1) Price of reg ess is 30gp ea. Price of pure ess is 100gp ea.

 

 

 

2) Number of [rulebreaker] didn't change much.

 

 

 

3) And they now have the option of whether to pay 5 bucks a month to earn 3 times the gp... -.-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

AND SO.....it didn't work! Plus, the cost of pure ess drives up the nats and laws price. Runecrafters earn less from selling them, alchers get less from high alching. [rulebreaker] can continue selling reg ess for 30gp ea. And somehow introduce a new scam of tricking people into buying reg ess when they thought it's pure ess, bad bad update!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, why didn't Jagex REMOVE this pure/reg ess thing? :wall: It didn't hurt the [rulebreaker], but hurt the normal players instead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PS: If anyone wish to paste this in the official runescape forum, feel free to do so :twisted:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex has done many updates to make themselves hated, all they care about is proffit im affraid

[sheepdean]

umm.. they do remove updates that don't work (fatigue anyone?), but it does wortk, there are almost no pure ess miners. and it's better for p2p, as we can now mine something easily thats worth 100 coins each

[nomadmike]

-.- Quite simple really.

 

 

 

1.Not made to stop autoers and decrease autoers but to change the prices to what they think is right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2 Made so Jagex get extra $5 a month from each autoer. See most people who auto have enough cash to waste. $10 is nothing to them they make 2 new accounts each week at least. This way 3 times the gp is good enough to pay $5. so with all those autoers Jagex got a big boost of cash! O:) Easier to think of now?

[Zepheras]

I would be VERY surprised if there wasn't a ess rant. My actual rant would be why such a huge company not have the efficiency to change things when they obviously didn't work in the way they thought it would?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The failure of this update was obviously due to their negligence in thinking that P2P worlds can supply their own essence demand, while regular essence drop in value and hinder the autominers (and other honest players).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They forgot that many important goods are what they are priced now thanks to F2Ps who earn their gp through tedious jobs since there isn't really any other method.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm actually glad that reg ess are still worth the same, though I don't mind seeing them using another feeble attempt on woodcut. (Pure/Regular yew logs, anyone? \ )

[supermonk]

umm.. they do remove updates that don't work (fatigue anyone?), but it does wortk, there are almost no pure ess miners. and it's better for p2p, as we can now mine something easily thats worth 100 coins each

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That was way back when.

 

 

 

Nowadays they NEVER admit they are wrong. Did you see some admit that they were wrong during the 99 Construction glitch? No. Did you seem them even mention it? No. What about the automatic get hit for 99 damage glitch? Did you seem them admit to that? No.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They will NEVER admit to being wrong.

[dargonhuman]

-.- Quite simple really.

 

 

 

1.Not made to stop autoers and decrease autoers but to change the prices to what they think is right.

 

 

 

Whazuwha? I don't know where you get your info from, but that's just not even close. Everyone knows Pure Ess was introduced to stop autoers, but didn't work. Instead, like Randoms, it just hurts legitimate players and barely made an impact on the autoer population; the autoers just shifted their methods to compensate.

 

 

 

Jagex has repeatedly stated that they try not to directly influence the player market prices of anything. That doesn't mean their updates don't affect prices, but Jagex doesn't make updates with the sole intent of influencing prices.

[123Yourgone]

umm.. they do remove updates that don't work (fatigue anyone?), but it does wortk, there are almost no pure ess miners. and it's better for p2p, as we can now mine something easily thats worth 100 coins each

 

 

 

fatigue is still on rsc, so no they didnt remove it, it just wasnt needed on rs2 with the new anti macro technology, id welcome it back now.

[LGBR]

 

umm.. they do remove updates that don't work (fatigue anyone?), but it does wortk, there are almost no pure ess miners. and it's better for p2p, as we can now mine something easily thats worth 100 coins each

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That was way back when.

 

 

 

Nowadays they NEVER admit they are wrong. Did you see some admit that they were wrong during the 99 Construction glitch? No. Did you seem them even mention it? No. What about the automatic get hit for 99 damage glitch? Did you seem them admit to that? No.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They will NEVER admit to being wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What were the 99 con glitches and the 99 damage gltich?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why would they apologize? it would we a waste of time

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Sorry, we didnt find every little flaw in the programming weve been working months on so now your gaming experience has been ruined for a few hours"

[supermonk]

How long does it take to put in a few extra sentences in their next update?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"The construction glitch has been fixed. Sorry for any inconvinience it caused you ect."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's all they have to do, but they don't.

[Gin_and_Tonic]

If you were a business, and you were them, what would you do?...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Take a leap of faith resulting in a 7% profit rise, or not act, and see the same autoer's logging into free worlds, making money off you for free?

[The_Gabe]

pure essence are brighter then reg essence and if you got tricked like that you are freaking stupid :twisted: with no eyes :XD:

[fakeitormakeit]

Please don't like get angry at what I'm about to say, thank you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. maybe they did it to effect the economy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. I already saw an ess/pure ess rant this week.

 

 

 

Did you search it first? :?:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3. People make mistakes, me, you and the Jagex company.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4. We should all stop fighting, and calm down(its bad for you to get angry; wrinkles, blood pressure, etc.)

[ThurinEthir]

pure essence are brighter then reg essence and if you got tricked like that you are freaking stupid :twisted: with no eyes :XD:

 

 

 

Spam? FTL?

 

 

 

Please don't like get angry at what I'm about to say, thank you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. maybe they did it to effect the economy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. I already saw an ess/pure ess rant this week.

 

 

 

Did you search it first? Question

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3. People make mistakes, me, you and the Jagex company.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4. We should all stop fighting, and calm down(its bad for you to get angry; wrinkles, blood pressure, etc.)

 

 

 

I'm not getting angry. :-w Just sharing my opinion.

 

 

 

1. They didn't. If you read the article of when it was released, you'd see it was to stop autoers.

 

 

 

2. Rants go in the rants forum. This isn't the rant forum I have no idea why this is even here actually...

 

 

 

3. So? We can correct our mistakes, can't we?

 

 

 

4. We aren't fighting...

[Zepheras]

This was in the rants forum -.- It got moved to bugs and suggestion?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And it's funny that their update actually affected only the members, the ones who are paying and supporting Jagex. F2Ps and rulebreakers still mine reg ess and sell for 30gp ea, while members have to pay more for pure ess in order to craft higher leveled runes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Negative impact on the ones PAYING. Maybe that's why I'm having second thoughts about becoming a member :?

[BrineShrimp]

Good points. Should the title be "How come Jagex doesn't remove updates that don't work?"

[darkritual4]

I have yet to see the negative effect off this. People keep complaining that "Pure essence is to expensive, were not making as much money off of natures." Heres an idea :idea: : STOP BEING LAZY AND MINE IT YOURSELF SO YOU GET MORE PROFIT! :shame:

[Zepheras]

F2Ps earn their money previously by mining ess and sell to P2Ps, who buy them at 70gp less than what they pay now to TRAIN RUNECRAFT, and profit from the nats and laws they get.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now P2Ps need to either spend more gp, or waste time mining which would otherwise be used to craft more runes? That's not a negative impact? Paying more to attain the same efficiency as before?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex should count themselves lucky that they tried this method on rune essence. Imagine trying on logs, and "pure" yew logs triple in price as compared to 300gp ea now. The whole fletching business can go down the drain :shame:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

AND not forgetting that it didn't stop, or even slow down the lvl 3s at all, since rune ess remains the 30gp ea it has always been.

[Dalcyte]

so wait, let me get this straight, i'm a little confused.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you saying that what should have happened is that autoerers shouldn't be able to sell ess to members?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If so, it's quite contradictory, because if jagex recognized they were autoerers, they would've been banned. :?

[scuba_duba00]

Your ideas are not 100% thought out for the good of the GAME, jagex is a company and runescape is how they make their cash. They have to be very delicate on how they change the game, as 1 small mistake can cause a huge effect on their income rate.

[Zepheras]

Your ideas are not 100% thought out for the good of the GAME, jagex is a company and runescape is how they make their cash. They have to be very delicate on how they change the game, as 1 small mistake can cause a huge effect on their income rate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If they were delicate, they would remove the pure/reg ess thing. There's really no point in making members pay more for their ess in order to craft the nats and laws.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The original purpose was to deter auto'ers so that Jagex doesn't have to ban lame lvl3 accounts that these people can just create the next day, by crashing the value of regular essence. They thought that the newly introduced pure essence would be the new 30gp ess that members use, and only members can mine them. Whereas the reg ess was supposed to crash in value such that f2p [/b]auto'ers no longer find it profitable to mine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, it didn't work. Jagex made a wrong move. Pure essence is climbing in value. If you flip through the runescape forum under news, page 4, about this new essence, you'll see members ranting about how pure essence is climbing in value from 40 to the current 100-110gp ea.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I want to say is that Jagex's choice did not bring good to the game at all. They upset the people paying 5 bucks a month. That's why they should remove it.