Barrows profit problems...

[compfreak847]

So far i've done barrows 7 times on my membs account. I use ancient magicks at 70 mage, ice bursting, ice rushing 3 times, then side stepping. It works great and is a lot of fun (I only have to pray on Dhorick and Karil), but so far it hasn't been profitable. It takes about 150 death, 200 chaos, 200 water, 3 p pots, and 10 sharks to get my kill count in the 20's. The total cost of each run is:

 

 

 

150 Death @ 300 ea = 45K

 

 

 

200 Chaos @ 150 ea = 30K

 

 

 

200 Water @ 20 ea = 4K

 

 

 

3 Prayer Pots @ 7k ea = 21K

 

 

 

10 Sharks @ 900 ea = 9K

 

 

 

1 trip = 109K

 

 

 

7 trips @ 109k ea = 763K

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My rewards have been mediocre, despite my 21-28 kill count. In total, I've gotten:

 

 

 

209 Bolt Racks @ 350 ea = 73.15K

 

 

 

350 Death @ 300 ea = 105K

 

 

 

31 Blood @ 550 ea = 17.05K

 

 

 

3126 Gp @ 1 ea = 3.126K

 

 

 

Total: 198.32K

 

 

 

Per trip = 28.33K

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Profit per trip:

 

 

 

28.33k - 109k = -80.67K

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Total Profit:

 

 

 

-80.67K X 7 = -564.69k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, I know Ancient Magicks is an expensive way but losing 80k per trip is insane. It's a lot of fun with Ancients, but somehow I need to find a better way. I may just be having bad luck, but even a barrows item probably won't recoup the 564k i've spent so far. I usually bring runes for 150 casts, 4 Prayer Pots, a spade, one click tele, canifis tele runes (2 laws, 1 blood), Ancient Staff, and whip. I've sold everything else to pay for the previous barrows trips, and i can usually beat all the brothers with only 2-3 sharks and 3 prayer potions (praying on Ahrim Karil and Dhorick, and using freeze spells on the others), and then another 6 sharks in the tunnels. I may try slayer dart with initiate, but Ancient Magicks is a lot funner. If anyone has suggestions, post here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My stats are:

 

 

 

76 attack

 

 

 

75 strength

 

 

 

75 defense

 

 

 

70 mage

 

 

 

64 range

 

 

 

42 slayer

 

 

 

55 prayer

[Zandalf]

Ancient magick is a lot more fun, yes. But you'll never turn a profit with it.

 

 

 

If you're in it for proft (instead of fun), use slayer dart.

[compfreak847]

So no profit with ancients? :( That was a lotta fun :wall: Guess I better start working on 42-55 slayer :wall:

[jwrm22]

So no profit with ancients? :( That was a lotta fun :wall: Guess I better start working on 42-55 slayer :wall:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

fire bolt works fine, but youll need to get air runes first, and the chest wont give you airs, so when you ran out of airs your have a problem... (10k airs will last around 33 trips = 5k a trip)

[compfreak847]

Airs are no biggie - I can get from mage guild. The problem is, it takes a long time with fire bolt, and costs a lot more in prayer potions. Slayer dart is fairly cheap in terms of runes, yet hits 17 as opposed to 12 for fire bolt. The money you save on runes for fire bolt will probably not make up for the increased number of prayer potions. Also, Slayer Dart is better magic xp, and allows more barrows runs per hour.

[rise]

Off topic-I saw someone hit 18 with slayer dart

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On topic- SSlayer dart is definatly the best option there is plenty of guides on here that will tell u how to do barrows with slayer dart using only 1-2 p pot doses If u are worry about using too many prayer pots

[ferg161]

I used fire blast until i had 55 slayer, its just as effective and you can wear your armour while casting, which means more space for food/ p pots =P~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Enjoy barrows, i loves it :mrgreen:

[Michael]

Most of the time while magic darting you'll get the runes back, so your getting free mage xp most of the time.

[Jock66600]

I never use prayer pots, just a waste. Pray in your mind that you won't die, works better and works for me. I only get gains, besides monks, and use slayer dart, it works best.

[bobbaldrick]

your almost similar stats to me, just pray on the two and wear full rune while maging (i use slayer dart), and only take 2 ppots and rest monkfish or sharks and you could do 2 runs per trip, especially if you use super def pot. although without 70 range ahrim might get you good. I make huge profits at barrows (40k+ per run plus barrows items)

[compfreak847]

ok, thanks. I'll probably take initiatelegs pl8 & helm, rune legs and pl8, red d hide body and legs, whip, rune defender, slayer staff, runes, 4-5 p pots, house teletab, and the rest sharks, with a canifs portal in my house. Edit: already went from 42-48 slayer in not that long - guess 55 won't be as much of a challenge as I thought. Now for 138 infernal mages....

[Aresgodowar]

i made a profit every time using ancients. use about 40ish casts for mele brothers ddp for karil and rune arrows for ahrim. dont rais the kill count it only effects the amount of runes you get. i usually get mine to maby 15 while geting to the chest, but i use a wep not ancients.

[Gin_and_Tonic]

Use Slayer dart if you look to make a profit... You get the runes back most of the time in the chest.

[PhelimReagh]

ok, thanks. I'll probably take initiatelegs pl8 & helm, rune legs and pl8, red d hide body and legs, whip, rune defender, slayer staff, runes, 4-5 p pots, house teletab, and the rest sharks, with a canifs portal in my house. Edit: already went from 42-48 slayer in not that long - guess 55 won't be as much of a challenge as I thought. Now for 138 infernal mages....

 

 

 

The only place you'll need armor is in the tunnels getting your kill count up. You don't need prayer there. As such, I don't think that initiate (or proselyte) is the way to go.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bring mage robes to mage the melee bros and Karil, d'hide to range Ahrim, and some Rune/Barrows + whip for killing in the tunnels.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As a note, consider getting range up to 70 and using Black Salamanders. It seems to have been designed for barrowing, and can hit the brothers hard. They seem to kill faster than the slayer dart. Ergo you get out of the crypt sooner, and save prayer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Plus, the ammo is pretty cheap, especially if you gather the swamp tar yourself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you don't, you'll pay 250 each for tar, and marrentil tar will end up costing 300 each. I go through about 80 marrentil tar per run. It's not too bad, cost-wise. It's just tough finding folks willing to sell :wall: . Which is nuts, becase it takes about 90 minutes for me to gather 1,200 swamp tar, which would sell for about 250-300K.

[ugafan_2009]

Take a whip to get kc up. You're wasting a lot of runes bursting for kill count.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes, try fire blast or slayer dart if you want to make money

[compfreak847]

 

 

 

The only place you'll need armor is in the tunnels getting your kill count up. You don't need prayer there. As such, I don't think that initiate (or proselyte) is the way to go.

 

 

 

I don't plan to use prayer on guthan or torag (i'll see how that goes) wearing full rune.

 

 

 

Take a whip to get kc up. You're wasting a lot of runes bursting for kill count.

 

 

 

I don't use runes - I use whip. However, with my "low budget" method of taking only 3 items worth more then 10k, I didn't bring any armor, so I wasted 6-8 sharks in tunnels, mostly thanks to skeletons. They can hit hard and often on no armor, even with 75 defense

[compfreak847]

I just realized fire bolt with chaos gauntlets might be a good idea - I can buy fires from guild, and weild fire staff. Anyone have comments about how this works?

[zaquierming]

I just realized fire bolt with chaos gauntlets might be a good idea - I can buy fires from guild, and weild fire staff. Anyone have comments about how this works?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I did it when I was less experienced at barrows. It works fine, Slayer Dart is better, though. If you plan on doing barrows a lot I'd suggest getting 55 Slayer sometime in the future.

[compfreak847]

I'm working on slayer like crazy - went form 42 slayer to 50 in 2 days lol. I guess slayer dart is the way to go. I'll have to try chaos gauntlets sometime, though.

[chenw]

I just realized fire bolt with chaos gauntlets might be a good idea - I can buy fires from guild, and weild fire staff. Anyone have comments about how this works?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you dont have slayer dart, this is the next best thing after it. Very cheap and good damage too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From what i can see, you should NOT be using 3 p pots per trip at your prayer level, at the max you should be using only 1 (maybe 2 if you are unlucky). What i suggest is you try maging guthan and Torag in melee armor (rune plate, kite and legs) without prayer. this way they wont hit often and you wont need to pray on them to survive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you insist on praying, use Monk robes instead, they are better. If you absolutely have nothing else to use, use mage outfit. Mage outfit is next to useless in barrows because their mage def is so low that anything higher than +10 doesnt make much of a difference.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also NEVER try maging verac without using a melee armor, the will take too much of your food.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I suggest also that you level your Ranged (kills ahrim quicker), Prayer (better prayer restored per dose) and Defence (so guthan, torag and Verac can hit you less)

[meb]

Off topic-I saw someone hit 18 with slayer dart

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It hits 10+ the first digit of your magic level. I hit 18 with it, because the first digit of my magic level is an 8. People wth 94 for example would hit 19.

[compfreak847]

Chaos gauntlets seem to be a better idea; they hit 1 less on average then slayer dart at my level, but cost half as much. However, I don't know much about slayer dart. Does it tend to hit higher/more often then other spells?

[compfreak847]

Bump - dosen't anyone have info on slayer dart?

[chenw]

Slayer dart is only better than Chaos Gauntlets when your mage is 70+, decisively better at 80+.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you dont have 70 mage, stick to Chaos Gaunts.

[compfreak847]

My mage is 70 exactally - I think i'll go for fire bolt.