China Downs sattelite.

[rocketman089]

Anyway, what was the real reason for it? Were they sending some kind of message or was it some scientific reason? I read all of this and couldn't get a clear reason why.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Leverage.

[assassin_696]

I ponder why it's "nothing to worry about" to you? If a country shoots a missile and downs a satellite, it obviously isn't to solve world hunger.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Scientific advancement and space research? The US have tested hundreds of nuclear weapons but we haven't been plunged into a nuclear war yet. They're just flexing their muscle and testing the water.

[Tigra00]

 

I ponder why it's "nothing to worry about" to you? If a country shoots a missile and downs a satellite, it obviously isn't to solve world hunger.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Scientific advancement and space research? The US have tested hundreds of nuclear weapons but we haven't been plunged into a nuclear war yet. They're just flexing their muscle and testing the water.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Cough* The USA dropped two nukes on Japan once upon a time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I could see if they just wanted the satellite destroyed 'cause it was useless, but this should be considered an act of "war advancement", not...Uhh, space research. However you figured that. :P

[Faux]

Nuclear war involves the use of nukes from both sides. Only one side using a nuke isn't nuclear war, that's just pure ownage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But yeah, it seems like China is preparing for something though <<

[dusqi]

Firstly, China has more money than it knows what to do with (over a trillion dollars of foreign currency reserves), so it's plunging lots of it into space research. It doesn't mean that it's imminently about to declare war, or even that it just wants leverage over the short term. I consider it more as "this might come in handy some day".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Secondly, the US only last October/November rejected attempts to set up a treaty banning space weaponry, so it really can't complain.

[Buckeyemange]

Well, if you want to get picky, it was really two ATOM bombs that the United States used on Japan, though I'm not sure of the differences...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And second, what ever happend to the amazing idea "Star wars"? For those of you who don't know, it was going to be a series of lasers that could be used to make a kind of protective dome over the U.S.A, to protect from weapons from space or the USSR.

[Obsessive_Passion]

Well, if you want to get picky, it was really two ATOM bombs that the United States used on Japan, though I'm not sure of the differences...

 

 

 

Apart from the different geographical locations (Hiroshima, Nagasaki), from memory, the bombs were different. They had the same effect, but the method was different. "The Hiroshima bomb achieved [its enormous burst of energy] by firing one piece of fissile material (uranium-235) into another; the Nagasaki bomb 'imploded' an outer casing of TNT onto the fissile material" (Guiness Encyclopaedia, 1990).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for China...

 

 

 

"Regarding having conducted the test, China has already notified other parties and has also notified the American side," foreign ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao told reporters.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"But China stresses that it has consistently advocated the peaceful development of outer space and it opposes the arming of space and military competition in space.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"China has never, and will never, participate in any form of a space arms race."

 

 

 

'China confirms anti-satellite weapon test, says nothing to fear', Beijing (AFP). Retrieved [24-01-07].

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think these tests were a great demonstration to the United States that China is, indeed, a 'sleeping giant' (just as the US was during WWII).

[Giordano]

God that was dumb, think about the debree flying around space now :-k it could hit other satellites or fall down to earth.

 

 

 

You wouldn't believe how many space debree there is right now. :P How do you think the a Apollo rocket went from a huge rocket to a tiny capsole. :XD: Plus much, much more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nuclear war involves the use of nukes from both sides. Only one side using a nuke isn't nuclear war, that's just pure ownage.

 

 

 

China has nukes... :uhh: (Not sure if you knew that or not :? )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And second, what ever happend to the amazing idea "Star wars"? For those of you who don't know, it was going to be a series of lasers that could be used to make a kind of protective dome over the U.S.A, to protect from weapons from space or the USSR.

 

 

 

Ahh yes, America would be a huge droidieka protecting us from Chinese Star Destroyers. Better watch out for Darth Chang Mee Lee! :ohnoes:

[rocketman089]

You wouldn't believe how many space debree there is right now. :P How do you think the a Apollo rocket went from a huge rocket to a tiny capsole. :XD: Plus much, much more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not tryin to be a rocket [bleep] but none of the Apollo stages stayed in orbit.

[aaron1120]

Nuclear war involves the use of nukes from both sides. Only one side using a nuke isn't nuclear war, that's just pure ownage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But yeah, it seems like China is preparing for something though <<

 

 

 

I doubt it. China has said that it was just a scientific test. Just to remind you, it was a test in space, not on the earth. People haven't tested destructive weapons in space before, so China probably wanted to try it out.

[rocketman089]

I doubt it. China has said that it was just a scientific test. Just to remind you, it was a test in space, not on the earth. People haven't tested nuclear weapons in space before, so China probably wanted to try it out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This was not a nuclear weapon

[trapical]

I really don't see the worry about China. They plan to get a chinaman on the moon in 2010. Wow, so there like what, 40 years behind the US?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fact: If China declared war on the tiny island of Taiwan they wouldn't win. Well they wouldn't loose, but it would be a stalemate. China has the man power but technologically it's stone age. They don't have the Patriot missile system, the Aegis Radars, they use aging Jets bought from the USSR in the 70s. They don't have rail guns, they don't have a missile defense system, they don't have a significant amount of special forces. Most notably they don't have

 

 

 

- Trained Nuclear submarines

 

 

 

- No Stealth Planes

 

 

 

- No Aircraft Carriers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This isn't the 1200s, more men doesn't mean you can win a war. Better technology does. And as far as military tech goes, China isn't even remotely close to the US.

 

 

 

-Russia and Japan? A bit closer.

 

 

 

-The European Union? Closer still, but arguable not quite there.

 

 

 

-China? Lol. :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wake me when they start launching F-22s equivalents and have a fleet of 12 nuclear aircraft carriers. Then I would start thinking they might pose a threat.

[rocketman089]

Trapical, wasn't it that kind of thinking that got us into trouble with the Japs? Who'da thunk that a country that was hardly discovered a few generations ago would come to whoop our butt out of nowhere? Always better to be proactive than reactive.

[aaron1120]

Trapical, wasn't it that kind of thinking that got us into trouble with the Japs? Who'da thunk that a country that was hardly discovered a few generations ago would come to whoop our butt out of nowhere? Always better to be proactive than reactive.

 

 

 

We are being proactive in reagards to that test...

 

 

 

President Bush signed an order in October tacitly asserting the U.S. right to space weapons and opposing the development of treaties or other measures restricting them - a move some analysts speculated may have helped spur the Chinese test.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bush has also pushed an ambitious program of space-based missile defense and the Pentagon is working on missiles, ground lasers and other technology to shoot down satellites.

 

 

 

Although this is lagging behind a bit with the enormous budget that is used to fund Iraq and Afganistan, there is still work being done none the less.

[Giordano]

 

 

 

President Bush signed an order in October tacitly asserting the U.S. right to space weapons and opposing the development of treaties or other measures restricting them - a move some analysts speculated may have helped spur the Chinese test.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bush has also pushed an ambitious program of space-based missile defense and the Pentagon is working on missiles, ground lasers and other technology to shoot down satellites.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let me get this straight? Bush just made space weapons legal through him although treaties and documents state otherwise?

[unknownmasterofnothing]

Well, if you want to get picky, it was really two ATOM bombs that the United States used on Japan, though I'm not sure of the differences...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And second, what ever happend to the amazing idea "Star wars"? For those of you who don't know, it was going to be a series of lasers that could be used to make a kind of protective dome over the U.S.A, to protect from weapons from space or the USSR.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It was a stupid idea really. Rockets that intercept their attacks. It does not have a good success rate. Try throwing a ball to someone and have them try to throw a ball to cancel it. It has to intersect at the exact time and position calculated.

[indy500fan]

It was a stupid idea really. Rockets that intercept their attacks. It does not have a good success rate. Try throwing a ball to someone and have them try to throw a ball to cancel it. It has to intersect at the exact time and position calculated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But when you have supercomputers calculating how to throw the ball...

[Celt23]

Sounds like an absaloutly pointless waste of ammunition. Go China!

[unknownmasterofnothing]

 

It was a stupid idea really. Rockets that intercept their attacks. It does not have a good success rate. Try throwing a ball to someone and have them try to throw a ball to cancel it. It has to intersect at the exact time and position calculated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But when you have supercomputers calculating how to throw the ball...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

still margin of error is too bad, also they couldn't get it to work.

[assassin_696]

 

 

I ponder why it's "nothing to worry about" to you? If a country shoots a missile and downs a satellite, it obviously isn't to solve world hunger.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Scientific advancement and space research? The US have tested hundreds of nuclear weapons but we haven't been plunged into a nuclear war yet. They're just flexing their muscle and testing the water.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Cough* The USA dropped two nukes on Japan once upon a time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I could see if they just wanted the satellite destroyed 'cause it was useless, but this should be considered an act of "war advancement", not...Uhh, space research. However you figured that. :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And look how quickly they surrendered? :P

 

 

 

It actually was a useless satellite but that wasn't really the purpose of the test. What i'm saying is that countries have tested weapons for years and yet suddenly because it's China everyone's worried.

[BlueLancer]

I really don't see the worry about China. They plan to get a chinaman on the moon in 2010. Wow, so there like what, 40 years behind the US?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fact: If China declared war on the tiny island of Taiwan they wouldn't win. Well they wouldn't loose, but it would be a stalemate. China has the man power but technologically it's stone age. They don't have the Patriot missile system, the Aegis Radars, they use aging Jets bought from the USSR in the 70s. They don't have rail guns, they don't have a missile defense system, they don't have a significant amount of special forces. Most notably they don't have

 

 

 

- Trained Nuclear submarines

 

 

 

- No Stealth Planes

 

 

 

- No Aircraft Carriers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This isn't the 1200s, more men doesn't mean you can win a war. Better technology does. And as far as military tech goes, China isn't even remotely close to the US.

 

 

 

-Russia and Japan? A bit closer.

 

 

 

-The European Union? Closer still, but arguable not quite there.

 

 

 

-China? Lol. :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wake me when they start launching F-22s equivalents and have a fleet of 12 nuclear aircraft carriers. Then I would start thinking they might pose a threat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... na/h-9.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

. If this H-9 enters service before 2010, it is unlikely that China would embark on serial production of the JH-7A attack aircraft. The H-9 is said to be similar to the American F-117 in terms of overall performance, and perhaps even physical configuration.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And that's just one example. Not do they only have more military equipment and vehicles than the United States, most of it is even more advanced than the technology the US possesses. I have no idea where you got the claims from.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, China could very easily invade Taiwan if it wanted to; It's only restrictions are international pressure against itself should it choose to do so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/navy.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They have a massive navy, including nuclear submarines, torpedo boats, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. They have trained nuclear marines

 

 

 

2. They have stealth planes

 

 

 

3. They have aircraft carriers.

[Ambassadar]

This is important because the US military and commercial infrastructure rely very heavily on satellites. Our tanks, certain guided bombs, aircraft, etc all rely on GPS systems to navigate. Blow the GPS satellites out of the air and suddenly those guided bombs don't work. Then we are back to Gulf War 1 technology in guided bombs where you have to use a laser to paint the target that can be interfered with by smoke or clouds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Blow the communication satellites out of the air and it messes up a lot of stuff at home as well as military communications.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Along with this they have been using lasers to try to temporarily(too difficult to get a powerful enough laser beam yet for permanently frying one) disable satellites by blinding them and are also constructing a high frequency radar array in Antarctica that can disable satellites.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As to people treating China like a third rate country that poses no threat and isn't really developing themselves to try to take control as a superpower check out these developments they have developed recently.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

New Fighter Jet

 

 

 

http://www.washtimes.com/upi/20070106-011857-2606r.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

New Aircraft Carrier

 

 

 

http://www.kommersant.com/p715509/China ... rs_export/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Expanding Submarine Fleet

 

 

 

This includes stalking US ships

 

 

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national ... -3317r.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Expanding Blue Water Fleet

 

 

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7243349/site/newsweek/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nuclear Bomb drills and massive underground bunkers that hold 200,000+ people... (Why would they do this unless they were planning on a war one day where they expected to be nuked? I know no western countries would be wanting to start a nuclear war with China since it would be pointless for us so this implies they could see themselves starting a nuclear war one day. This also falls in line with my next post about the Chinese General threatening to preemptively attack the US with nukes if we defended Tawain )

 

 

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5230778.stm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then we have the whole matter of their spies continually stealing US military secrets. That is a highly aggressive act.

 

 

 

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... 19656.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is another interesting site I stumbled across while looking for some sources to link to when referring to new Chinese capabilities. It's contributers include input from MIT and Los Alamos National Labratory.

 

 

 

http://www.missilethreat.com/archives/i ... detail.asp

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Too many questionable things going on for me to just blow them off. I seriously question their motives. Feels like the beginning of an arms race like there was between the European powers before World War 1. Hopefully that isn't the case but I do feel uneasy with how the situation is progressing. Especially with the way China isn't reigning in North Korea and keeps making rumblings about Taiwan.

[Ambassadar]

One other thing is a Chinese General about a year ago said China would nuke the US if the US honored our alliance with Taiwan and helped defend Taiwan if China attacked it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese general warns of nuclear risk to US

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jonathan Watts in Beijing

 

 

 

Saturday July 16, 2005

 

 

 

The Guardian

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A senior Chinese general has warned that his country could destroy hundreds of American cities with nuclear weapons if the two nations clashed over Taiwan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Major general Zhu Chenghu, a dean at the National Defence University, said he was expressing a private opinion, but his comments, the most inflammatory by a senior government official in 10 years, will fuel growing concerns in Washington about the rise of China.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Article continues

 

 

 

Speaking at a lecture arranged by the foreign ministry and attended by several foreign correspondents on Thursday, Mr Zhu said China was prepared to initiate non-conventional warfare over Taiwan. "War logic dictates that a weaker power needs to use maximum efforts to defeat a stronger rival," he was reported as saying by the New York Times.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"If the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition on to the target zone on China's territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Echoing threats last made in 1995, Mr Zhu, who has a reputation as a hawk in Chinese military circles, said his country was ready to sustain heavy casualties in Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou and other heavily populated areas.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"We Chinese will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all of the cities east of Xian," he said. "Of course, the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Although Mr Zhu said war was unlikely, his proposal that China should adopt a first-strike nuclear option against the US will alarm the Pentagon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0 ... 54,00.html

[trapical]

 

I really don't see the worry about China. They plan to get a chinaman on the moon in 2010. Wow, so there like what, 40 years behind the US?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fact: If China declared war on the tiny island of Taiwan they wouldn't win. Well they wouldn't loose, but it would be a stalemate. China has the man power but technologically it's stone age. They don't have the Patriot missile system, the Aegis Radars, they use aging Jets bought from the USSR in the 70s. They don't have rail guns, they don't have a missile defense system, they don't have a significant amount of special forces. Most notably they don't have

 

 

 

- Trained Nuclear submarines

 

 

 

- No Stealth Planes

 

 

 

- No Aircraft Carriers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This isn't the 1200s, more men doesn't mean you can win a war. Better technology does. And as far as military tech goes, China isn't even remotely close to the US.

 

 

 

-Russia and Japan? A bit closer.

 

 

 

-The European Union? Closer still, but arguable not quite there.

 

 

 

-China? Lol. :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wake me when they start launching F-22s equivalents and have a fleet of 12 nuclear aircraft carriers. Then I would start thinking they might pose a threat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... na/h-9.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

. If this H-9 enters service before 2010, it is unlikely that China would embark on serial production of the JH-7A attack aircraft. The H-9 is said to be similar to the American F-117 in terms of overall performance, and perhaps even physical configuration.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And that's just one example. Not do they only have more military equipment and vehicles than the United States, most of it is even more advanced than the technology the US possesses. I have no idea where you got the claims from.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, China could very easily invade Taiwan if it wanted to; It's only restrictions are international pressure against itself should it choose to do so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/navy.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They have a massive navy, including nuclear submarines, torpedo boats, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. They have trained nuclear marines

 

 

 

2. They have stealth planes

 

 

 

3. They have aircraft carriers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ah, I didn't know about the H-9. However those aren't even out yet and they the Chinese are hoping they will be as good as the 20 year old f-117.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I still say their Navy lags behind massively.

 

 

 

I don't know where you're getting your info that the Chinese have their own active aircraft carriers. They bought one from Russia but it is nonoperational. They are studying trying to develop their own 40,000 ton one, expected to be built by 2010. The US currently has ten carriers, at 100,000 tons each, with another being built. They also have a new larger and steath carrier being built, with three of those already paid for for and under construction.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WikiPedia:

 

 

 

Presently worldwide aircraft carriers are capable of carrying about 1250 aircraft. US carriers account for over 1000 of these; the second leading country, France fields around 72 aircraft.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So China doesn't have the naval air power. Okay, thats settled. When it comes to other ships like I said they don't have systems as advanced as those on the Aegis Cruisers, and while they may have a few nuclear subs they pale in comparison to the number that the US has.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WikiPedia:

 

 

 

However, despite these advances, China's newer vessels are still outnumbered by older ones that it has to keep in service out of necessity. Thus the PLAN still lags behind other navies in the region such as the United States Navy, the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force and the Republic of Korea Navy in terms of overall unit quality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Korea? Honestly now, if they "greatly" lag behind the quality of a navy from a country the size of South Korea, I don't think the US has much to worry about... for now

[Ambassadar]

They also have a new larger and steath carrier being built, with three of those already paid for for and under construction.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cool, didn't know about that. As to the Chinese navy I never said it is a US caliber navy. I never said all their systems are top of the line. What I am pointing out is a trend towards offensively based doctrine and equipment. Combined with their aggressive and active pursuit of US technology through any means possible including espionage then what this is telling us is as soon as they can design (or steal) something like an AEGIS system they will.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A kick butt navy isn't built overnight. Their first carrier won't be great. The key is to look at the overall scheme of things. What are they doing? Where are they putting the focus on their development? Why are they developing all these things? How does this focus fit into possible strategic situations? They are taking the steps to become an offensively based military. How does what they are doing reflect with what they are saying?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They want Taiwan. They threaten about Taiwan. They threaten nukes against the US if we interfere with their taking Taiwan. With all these new military developments in such a short time what are they up to? It sure doesn't appear like they are spending all this money just to cruise the South China Sea and get a tan.