1_man_army Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Prison is a place for dangerous people, not dishonest people. Bingo! Also, a large proportion of the people in prisons have mental health problems. They need to be moved to the NHS and cared for, rather than punished for something that they had little control over. This would free up lots of prison space. Its true that people with mental health problems should be given the help that they need. However, many prisoners with mental health issues also have violent tendancies and need to be sent to secure mental health units to be treated to ensure that they're no risk to the very people who are trying to help them. Unforunatly, places secure mental health units are few and far between and the system is very underfunded. He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 My theory is, you kill someone, than you die. If it can be proven you're guilty, and you took someone else's life, than you deserve to die in a very crucial manner. I've been thinking iron maidens would be a good idea. Those or the things they use to chop off your head, they're more entertaining and more painful than normal suicide. You kill a man/woman/child, than you are DEAD. End of story, this kind of thing should be simple, you whack a man, he whacks you back. But in this day and age, I have absolutley no faith in the justice system. Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malo2 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 the justice system in the U.S. is screwed up, you get 20 years for stealing money, and 2 years for molesting a child. Whats more important?! our children or our money? But at least it isn't as bad as in Mexico. There, two border patrol officers shot a drug dealer who had a weapon and was trying to illegally cross the border... The officers were sued and one got 10 years in prison, the other got 12, the drug dealer had no charges against him, WTF!? The solution to having less overcrowded prisons would be to reduce crime in the first place. How can we do that? Well, we could have prisons be centers of reform that educate inmates and teach inmates how to survive out there in the real world in a crimeless lifestyle. That would reduce crime. But we're too hellbent on having "justice served" (aka revenge crimes - putting someone in a cage, having them commit slave labor, executing them, etc - exactly what our current "justice system" is) to do that. i dont know what kind of idealistic world you live in, but in the REAL world, it's been proven over and over that the majority of times, this doesn't work.works very well actually, statistics show that in average prisons, about 75% (not positive about numbers) of criminals return to committing crimes once they're out of prison, in educational prisons, that number is cut down to about 25%. But the problem is that these prisons are very expensive, but I personally wouldn't mind to have some extra tax money drop into it if that means I have a 50% less chance of getting murdered. Lastfm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 I think this debate revolves around whether or not you believe that people can surrender certain rights and liberties that they are born with by doing certain things. If you believe that no one can ever surrender their right to life, no matter how heinous the crime, no amount of logic or reasoning is going to convince you otherwise and you will always view capital punishment as some sort of "revenge" or "blood lust." If, however, you believe that certain acts of injustice can cause you to forfeit your right to life then capital punishment is not about revenge, but about justice. The first group of people will always view "justice" as a euphemism for "revenge" and the second group will always wonder why the former cannot understand the difference between "justice" and "revenge." Logic and reason will do nothing in this debate because it is pure belief about what constitutes one's right to life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 the justice system in the U.S. is screwed up, you get 20 years for stealing money, and 2 years for molesting a child. Whats more important?! our children or our money? Corporate America says: Your/Our money!! :!: Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragen Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 IMO, the justice system should be in place to prevent crime. If it does this by rehabilitation, brilliant. If it does it by stopping crime in the first place, even better. Locking people away for 20 years, not so good but sometimes it has to be done. There are exceptions to this though, the people who do crimes that can only be described as 'sick' such as Torture murder or the killing of innocents for no other reason than pleasure, they should be put to death. There is no place in the world for someone who has commited such atrosities. Thanks Venomai for this super sig and Kwimbob for the awesome avatar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
None2None Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 I wont go totally in depth on my beliefs, but I will say that no, it should be brought back... Killing someone for killing is hypocritical (in my opinion)...A life for a life, an eye for an eye. Killing is killing reguardless the reason. Think what you want, but that's what I have to say on the issue. :) Also keep in mind, some (insane) people are willing to give their own life for a "cause"...and personally, I life in prison seems a hell of a lot worse than an immediate death...assuming I would be going to heaven...if I thought I'd be going to hell...I'll admit, death is more intemidating, but I dont think people see how insane and convinced some people are that they're killing and possibly dying for a just cause, being it killing their wife, or going on a killing spree for fun...The same goes for the hell-sent plane hijackers of 9/11. ~ Clicky for the blog of No Cb Skils ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Militaris Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 works very well actually, statistics show that in average prisons, about 75% (not positive about numbers) of criminals return to committing crimes once they're out of prison, in educational prisons, that number is cut down to about 25%. But the problem is that these prisons are very expensive, but I personally wouldn't mind to have some extra tax money drop into it if that means I have a 50% less chance of getting murdered. Maybe feel good made up stats show that. In New Zealand prisons which does all of these feel good education reintergration programs 83% of male, and 73% of female prisoners are re-offenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Sorry if this is already a topic, I did search, but no luck. Due to the recent news in the Uk, A man who was arrested for downloading child [Forbidden] was not sentanced to jail. Why? Because there simply isn't enough room to put him away. This is outrageous, Why should a convicted pedophile be allowed to walk the streets? This needs to be seriously sorted out, Bring back capital punishment, Kill the serious offenders [Murderers, Terrorists, Attempted Sucide bombers etc..] And make room for the minor offenders. Views? Source to my opinion: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6300565.stm Instead of your hiter-esque approach, why not just build more jails? I don't agree with killing people because they take up too much room. I'm not against capital punishment, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 If you killed someone you deserve no mercy; you gave no mercy to your vitcim why should we give it to you? I believe if you killed someone you sentenced to death automaticly. Not just a quick death, but an painful, torturious death. This inculeds rapists and sexual abusers as well. It seems if the justice systems looks too much on the criminal and not on the viticm. "The cry of the poor is not always just, but if you never hear it you'll never know what justice is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celt23 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 I-iiss reshponsable for the moral decay of the United Queendom! No seriously, the death penalty is pointless. All it's doing is satisfying the human instinct of revenge. If the law gets based on human instincts you got one terrible law system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Instead of your hiter-esque approach, why not just build more jails? Oh, I don't know, maybe it's because jails cost MONEY!! Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Instead of your hiter-esque approach, why not just build more jails? Oh, I don't know, maybe it's because jails cost MONEY!! Of course they do, but I was merely making the point that it is kind of evil to kill people because they take up space in a jail cell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Instead of your hiter-esque approach, why not just build more jails? Oh, I don't know, maybe it's because jails cost MONEY!! Of course they do, but I was merely making the point that it is kind of evil to kill people because they take up space in a jail cell. If someone killed someone very close to you, would you want that person locked up and living, or dead? Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Instead of your hiter-esque approach, why not just build more jails? Oh, I don't know, maybe it's because jails cost MONEY!! Of course they do, but I was merely making the point that it is kind of evil to kill people because they take up space in a jail cell. If someone killed someone very close to you, would you want that person locked up and living, or dead? Thats beside the point I was making. I would rather they rot in a jail cell for life, but thats just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionheart_0 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Sky scrapper jails perhaps? Could work, but my main point is that we shouldn't kill people, its a waste of a life, and a waste of a productive person of society. If we have killers or such, we should put them to work for the rest of their lives. They get food, water, and a place to sleep, in return, they work for the rest of their days (Till their too old of course). This way we don't have people dying uselessly, and instead, can perhaps remake that money back we spend to keep them all. Sig by IkuraiYour Guide to Posting! Behave or I will send my Moose mounted Beaver launchers at you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknownmasterofnothing Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Bring back slavery! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knives669 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Sky scrapper jails perhaps? I'd like to see someone on the top floor try to escape! :lol: I definitely think that the death penalty should be used more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celt23 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/dp_qa.html This is Amnesty International's views on the death penalty. I am a great deal conservative and I find them very convincing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigra00 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 I stopped reading Amnesty International's reason after the first sentance. It's a denial of human rights? Uhhh, yea? And the people it is imposed upon are denied their rights because they denied other human's their rights. Eye for and Eye...Sometimes, two wrongs do make a right. Anyone who had someone they loved killed by some psycho would immediately want the guilty party to be killed. If you do not; Congratulations, you are Jesus Christ incarnate. For the rest of us who are not water-walking deity's, we'll surely want justice. Personally, I feel them sitting in prison and rotting is MUCH more harsh, but it also costs me money (Prisoner's cost $100,000/year to keep, coming from taxes), so I'd rather that person be killed. The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonpost Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 I stopped reading Amnesty International's reason after the first sentance. It's a denial of human rights? Uhhh, yea? And the people it is imposed upon are denied their rights because they denied other human's their rights. Eye for and Eye...Sometimes, two wrongs do make a right. Anyone who had someone they loved killed by some psycho would immediately want the guilty party to be killed. If you do not; Congratulations, you are Jesus Christ incarnate. For the rest of us who are not water-walking deity's, we'll surely want justice. Personally, I feel them sitting in prison and rotting is MUCH more harsh, but it also costs me money (Prisoner's cost $100,000/year to keep, coming from taxes), so I'd rather that person be killed. It costs 2-6 times more to kill someone than to imprison them for life. Runescape Name: "unbug07"Expand your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionheart_0 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Personally, I feel them sitting in prison and rotting is MUCH more harsh, but it also costs me money (Prisoner's cost $100,000/year to keep, coming from taxes), so I'd rather that person be killed. Hence we use my idea, and put them to work.... Sig by IkuraiYour Guide to Posting! Behave or I will send my Moose mounted Beaver launchers at you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 It costs 2-6 times more to kill someone than to imprison them for life. Really? I'm extremely curious as to how. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLancer Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 It costs 2-6 times more to kill someone than to imprison them for life. Really? I'm extremely curious as to how. Just as an example, in North Carolina, the average execution costs $2.16 million dollars, as opposed to a fraction of that by keeping a prisoner in a prison. They don't just chop off their heads with a guillotine. California also spends more money on capital punishment than on keeping prisoners (annually). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 It costs 2-6 times more to kill someone than to imprison them for life. Really? I'm extremely curious as to how. Just as an example, in North Carolina, the average execution costs $2.16 million dollars, as opposed to a fraction of that by keeping a prisoner in a prison. They don't just chop off their heads with a guillotine. California also spends more money on capital punishment than on keeping prisoners (annually). The cost comes from the extensive trial process to make certain they aren't going to kill an innocent person. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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