January 31, 200719 yr Yes. If used wrongly. Even if severely abused, it's impossible to achieve many of the effects the government says that you can achieve by using marijuana. Marijuana became illegal because of racist claims that black people used it to rape white women, and a large dis-information campaign by Randolph Hearst, who also helped launch the Spanish-American war by manipulating the press, saying that marijuana led to insanity, murder, and death. Interestingly, existing industry (such as newspapermen, who helped fake the dangers of marijuana) had much to lose by leaving marijuana legal, as hemp was set to revolutionize the paper (as well as textile, energy, and health) industry. You can get three times as much paper from hemp plants as you can from the materials we currently use to create paper. Existing industry had much to lose by letting the hemp industry revolutionize almost every field of modern manufacturing techniques, which is why marijuana and hemp became illegal. Marijuana was just the device used by the corporations to make hemp illegal. Alcohol is a much more dangerous drug, and it is still legal. http://www.jackherer.com/popmech.html
February 1, 200719 yr There is a huge distinction between bickering, and debate. Bickering is the constant repeating of similar facts along with complete denial of the possibility of any other option. On the other hand, debating involves citing evidence, and claims, and writing responses to others' arguments for or against! It is not a shout fest, it is a logic fest. Both can be degraded, but in any scenario bickering is worse. At this point I've clarified my point, but, I've to note I'm being oversensitive this thread still has a wealth of information gathered, but is still a weak discussion. Edit: And, no! Quoting one tiny part of anothers' response refuting it is not debate! It's nitpicking on their flaws- which is good- but unreasonable if you avoid a mountain of stone [pun not intended ;)] difficult or nonsupporting of your cause information.
February 2, 200719 yr I heard Chronic (Top-notch weed in thewest coast, which is the kind I'm reffering to) isn't as bad as marijuana. I don't smoke anything (Except other people in any sort of game : ) so I wouldn't know, could I get some help on this one? okay well im going to teach you all the terms of weed or to say the different kinds please dont bash me on this as i am a formal user and no longer use and i have a storie to tell in the end Types of Weed well there are many many many different kidns of weed and the one mentioned above i will mention first 1. Chronic --CHRONIC IS WEED - very bad type of weed usually laced with coke or other hard drug - cost a fair amount of $ 2. Dank - little bit stronger than the type i posted below - costs about $40 for 3.5 grams 3. Mids - now this is where pretty much all users start out...its the basic kind of weed most common and pretty much the cheapest with about $20 per 3.5 grams and is not very strong 4. Hydro - intense high - costs about $55 to $70 per 3.5 grams the high lasts about 3 hours and when i smoked this type i started to see things and i passed out once.... there are many many other different kinds but those except for the top and and bottom types are the most common type of weed you will find in a school or mostly anywhere..and the top and bottom and hard to find. and now to my story well one night me and 2 of my friends was smoking hydro (intense high) and we smoked about 35-50 grams total during the night...and if you dont no how much that istake ur pointer and ur thumbs on both hands and put the points together and raise them about 1 to 2 inches and thats about 3.5 grams...anyways back to my story...so by the time we get done partying a what not (no alcohol was drank this night) my eyes where a solid dark red :shock: which is insane and we all decided to go driving to get some food (roads are icy) and we are driving along the road and a deer runs in font of us...i swerve out of the way and do a complete 540 of some sort and roll the car into the ditch..... each of us have broken bones and i didnt even where i was for a second...but the point of the story is if i was not high none of this would of happened because A. WEED MAKES YOU HUNGARY and if we was not high we would not be mad hungary therefor this accident would of never of happened... well for all of you saying i smoke this and that..i suggest you quit before you do somethign stupid like i did....just think of this....i could of killed 2 of my best friends because i decided to go driving while high :shock: if anybody has stories to tell or ask me any questions feel free to pm me in the game Phycopathic Retired Stoner
February 2, 200719 yr I heard Chronic (Top-notch weed in thewest coast, which is the kind I'm reffering to) isn't as bad as marijuana. I don't smoke anything (Except other people in any sort of game : ) so I wouldn't know, could I get some help on this one? okay well im going to teach you all the terms of weed or to say the different kinds please dont bash me on this as i am a formal user and no longer use and i have a storie to tell in the end Types of Weed well there are many many many different kidns of weed and the one mentioned above i will mention first 1. Chronic --CHRONIC IS WEED - very bad type of weed usually laced with coke or other hard drug - cost a fair amount of $ 2. Dank - little bit stronger than the type i posted below - costs about $40 for 3.5 grams 3. Mids - now this is where pretty much all users start out...its the basic kind of weed most common and pretty much the cheapest with about $20 per 3.5 grams and is not very strong 4. Hydro - intense high - costs about $55 to $70 per 3.5 grams the high lasts about 3 hours and when i smoked this type i started to see things and i passed out once.... there are many many other different kinds but those except for the top and and bottom types are the most common type of weed you will find in a school or mostly anywhere..and the top and bottom and hard to find. and now to my story well one night me and 2 of my friends was smoking hydro (intense high) and we smoked about 35-50 grams total during the night...and if you dont no how much that istake ur pointer and ur thumbs on both hands and put the points together and raise them about 1 to 2 inches and thats about 3.5 grams...anyways back to my story...so by the time we get done partying a what not (no alcohol was drank this night) my eyes where a solid dark red :shock: which is insane and we all decided to go driving to get some food (roads are icy) and we are driving along the road and a deer runs in font of us...i swerve out of the way and do a complete 540 of some sort and roll the car into the ditch..... each of us have broken bones and i didnt even where i was for a second...but the point of the story is if i was not high none of this would of happened because A. WEED MAKES YOU HUNGARY and if we was not high we would not be mad hungary therefor this accident would of never of happened... well for all of you saying i smoke this and that..i suggest you quit before you do somethign stupid like i did....just think of this....i could of killed 2 of my best friends because i decided to go driving while high :shock: if anybody has stories to tell or ask me any questions feel free to pm me in the game Phycopathic Retired Stoner I know a guy whose brother killed two girls when driving stoned. It's good to hear you and your friends weren't killed.
February 2, 200719 yr I know a guy whose brother killed two girls when driving stoned. It's good to hear you and your friends weren't killed. I'm sad to hear that. I recently lost a friend to drunk driving. It's harsh. :( But marijuana isn't inherently as dangerous as alcohol is; I've been in cars with somebody stoned driving literally thousands of times, and I've never felt at risk. I actually feel safer than when I'm in a car with a driver who hasn't smoked some pot. I find that the majority of baked drivers drive slower and more carefully, and are much more "Defensive" drivers than usual. On the other hand, some people have their bad driving skills or aggresive attitudes exacerbated by smoking weed, and can drive extremely poorly or recklessly. The bottom line is some people drive just as well, if not better, when they are stoned. Know your driver, and always wear your seatbelt.
February 2, 200719 yr Its best off for everyone that it stays illegal. It does more harm to your body than good. Not that I'm forgetting that a lot of legal stuff does that these days (Cocca Cola, Sugary Food etc.) though its far worse marijuana.
February 4, 200719 yr whereas all you have done is spout vitriol about "Stoners". All ive done is seen someone perfectly normal one year then locked up the next for their inability to distinguish reality from fantasy. I know what the Doctors have told us and your all welcome to come with me nexttime. Now you're just showing ignorance. No I was ignorant when I voted to legalise it personal expirience has taught me otherwise. ~Dan64AuSince 27 Aug 2002
February 5, 200719 yr Author whereas all you have done is spout vitriol about "Stoners". All ive done is seen someone perfectly normal one year then locked up the next for their inability to distinguish reality from fantasy. I know what the Doctors have told us and your all welcome to come with me nexttime. That's only one case. Obviously the person who you are talking about couldn't just use marijuana responsibly. It's not that hard, I've used it a lot and never done anything too stupid. People just need to be able to be responsible and use it just for fun and in safe places and at safe times. im level 76 and IM NOT A NOOB 30- is a noob
February 5, 200719 yr whereas all you have done is spout vitriol about "Stoners". All ive done is seen someone perfectly normal one year then locked up the next for their inability to distinguish reality from fantasy. I know what the Doctors have told us and your all welcome to come with me nexttime. That's only one case. Obviously the person who you are talking about couldn't just use marijuana responsibly. It's not that hard, I've used it a lot and never done anything too stupid. People just need to be able to be responsible and use it just for fun and in safe places and at safe times. You see, the problem there is the drug can't be used responsibly by everyone, much the same as alcohol. I think you should analyse that bold text a bit as well.
February 5, 200719 yr Author whereas all you have done is spout vitriol about "Stoners". All ive done is seen someone perfectly normal one year then locked up the next for their inability to distinguish reality from fantasy. I know what the Doctors have told us and your all welcome to come with me nexttime. That's only one case. Obviously the person who you are talking about couldn't just use marijuana responsibly. It's not that hard, I've used it a lot and never done anything too stupid. People just need to be able to be responsible and use it just for fun and in safe places and at safe times. You see, the problem there is the drug can't be used responsibly by everyone, much the same as alcohol. I think you should analyse that bold text a bit as well. Haha, that irony you pointed out actually made me laugh at how stupid my statement was. "never done anything stupid" I was referring to doing things while I was high, not the actually act of smoking. I know it really isn't that smart a thing to do, but I feel that I can act responsibly while "under the influence" of marijuana. I have proved that also. I've been offered harder drugs while I was high and refused. I know my limits and I think that if someone doesn't, they shouldn't smoke. If you can do it responsibly, it isn't a big deal. It only becomes something very bad when you act stupidly or just can't handle the responsibility that comes along with using it. Too many people can't control themselves while smoking. im level 76 and IM NOT A NOOB 30- is a noob
February 5, 200719 yr Shouldn't this be in the Debate Forum...? Fun with paint. Drink night cough medicine, take pills for sleeping, or just start playing with your Pokeman balls! In your Gameboy SP that is. =P~
February 6, 200719 yr Author Shouldn't this be in the Debate Forum...? It isn't a debate about runescape, so no. im level 76 and IM NOT A NOOB 30- is a noob
February 7, 200719 yr Pot is like alcohol. Some people can be responsible with it. Others can't. I personally don't care much for it. I've seen some people giggle like girls and just get annoying and others hold it together and act fine while baked. Same with alcohol. I don't know about it being a gateway drug because I started out doing painkillers after high school at around 19 and never smoked pot until I was like 22 or so. I'm for pot legalization. It's not as bad as everyone thinks. It's alot better than a good dope addiction. I just woke up from several nightmares, drenched in sweat from my body heat going crazy with my skin crawling and it's not going to get better until I get dilaudid in me. As much fun as doing painkillers are, I'd never recommend ANYONE getting an addiction from doing it every day. I handled things well when I was single and snorting oxycontin but now supporting 2 needle habits (me and my girlfriend) while paying rent and utilities is brutal. Not much fun most days. I hope the above isn't seen as bragging. Just a forewarning for anyone thinking of going down that road. Panix - /server -j #runescape irc.efnet.org-NOT EVEN DOOM MUSIC
February 8, 200719 yr i say u wanna smoke it go ahead i have friends that do and nothigns wrong with them alos i think to die from it ud have to breath it straight until u pass out from lack of oxygen from what ive heard it wotn kill you
February 8, 200719 yr I would legalise all drugs, and certainly marjuiana. There are many reasons for this. For me the most important reason is that we are members (most of us) of liberal democracies and should have the right, as much as possible, to live the way we want to live, so long as it does not impinge on others. If we look at the precedent set by alcohol which can be said to have some effects that may impinge on others, such as loutish behaviour etc, we can limit these by applying laws to the consequence not the act. Thus allowing us to live and let live.
February 8, 200719 yr The chemicals and stuff, for lack of a better word, in an average joint is more harmful for you then a cigarette. BUT Who the hell do you know that smokes 20 joints a day? :-k I used to smoke pot a lot back in my early years of high schools, but now I get mild anxiety when I do, so I only smoke occasionally at parties and only in little amounts. And I can tell you from expeirience, that smoking cigarettes is way worse then smoking pot. I've been smoking cigarettes for around a year and a half now and it's horridly inconveinient to quit, and it eats up your cash like there's no tommorow. Vienna Raszyn Warsaw Klushino
February 8, 200719 yr I think it should stay illegal from personal experience. It made my cousin go into depression and bad things happened. Maybe if it wasn't so addictive it could be legal, but because it's addictive-no.
February 9, 200719 yr Author I think it should stay illegal from personal experience. It made my cousin go into depression and bad things happened. Maybe if it wasn't so addictive it could be legal, but because it's addictive-no. Let's read the articles before we post. Marijuana has been proven time and time again to be one of the least addicting, if not the least, illegal drug out there. It's all in your mind. It makes you want to smoke, but there is no physical drive to smoke. im level 76 and IM NOT A NOOB 30- is a noob
February 9, 200719 yr i dont know if anyone has said this yea, i dont feel like going through 10 pages.... but i guarantee you, if we did not have drugs, or mary jane... like bill hicks once said.... You see, I think drugs have done some good things for us. I really do. And if you don't believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor. Go home tonight. Take all your albums, all your tapes and all your CDs and burn them. 'Cause you know what, the musicians that made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâæ rrreal [bleep]ing high on drugs. The Beatles were so [bleep]ing high they let Ringo sing a few tunes. and for those who say it can cause depression... it does not. A main reason people start to do drugs[hard drugs] is BECAUSE of depression, and are hoping it will help ease their suffering.
February 9, 200719 yr i dont know if anyone has said this yea, i dont feel like going through 10 pages.... but i guarantee you, if we did not have drugs, or mary jane... like bill hicks once said.... You see, I think drugs have done some good things for us. I really do. And if you don't believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor. Go home tonight. Take all your albums, all your tapes and all your CDs and burn them. 'Cause you know what, the musicians that made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâæ rrreal [bleep] high on drugs. The Beatles were so [bleep] high they let Ringo sing a few tunes. and for those who say it can cause depression... it does not. A main reason people start to do drugs[hard drugs] is BECAUSE of depression, and are hoping it will help ease their suffering. What a coincidence, I'm watching Hicks on youtube right now. :thumbsup: A great piece of comody from one of the greatest songs of all time in my opinion.
February 9, 200719 yr One law I hope that needs to be passed is that there should be a warning on anything with any type of drug in it, and also make it illegal to give someone a drug without their consent and knowledge. Me? I'm anti-drug to the max, actually bothering to read the ingredients not accepting any beverage that wasn't opened under my eyes, unless I can't (restaurants). Quite a few of my friends drink, but I'd made it clear that I'd stay drug free, for life. And honestly, banning drugs didn't seem to do much good. What would actually do good: informing people about the dangers of drugs and helping them make the choice not to do drugs. I do agree with constraint laws, you cannot do drugs in certain areas. Second hand smoke is a major problem, and this will help solve it. Ditto with the "No drinking and driving laws". Some of us who do not do drugs have our lives affected in very negative ways by the ones who do. So final words: Yeah, it's bad for you, but making it illegal didn't do much. However, legalizing isn't going to fix anything. Informing people about drugs is a far better campaign. Or maybe slowly banning tobacco and alcohol. As in "IF you were born after *some year after 2007*, you cannot use tobacco or alcohol" I'm sorry if I didn't make sense. I'm attempting to do my homework, and I keep losing my train of thought. LAG!!!!!!! Thank the world for spell checkers.
February 9, 200719 yr i'm pro pot. been smoking pot 2 and a half years now recreationally (no im not trying to brag, im trying to prove a point). it has not affected my grades, social life, or work ethic one bit. i hate anti drug commercials because they usually make no sense and have no effect. the only reason why pot isnt legal yet is because the government cant find a way to tax it like Holland has. cigarettes should be illegal rather than pot. honestly. pot even has medical uses for god's sake. MEDICAL. i mean here is our own government, saying its horrible, and then they themselves scientificly cross breed and test the cannibis plant for the medicinal purposes...but yeah...that same government tries to even give a flying [bleep] about us. they make stupid commercials that pretty much waste their and our time. 90% or more of the population of America alone age 13 and over have all tried illegal drugs. [bleep] the government. they have their heads up their own [wagon]. alcohol has proven to be at least 2 times as bad as marajuana with over 1,000 alcohol related deaths a year
February 9, 200719 yr The best argument in favor of legalization is the statistic that a lower percentage of teens in the Netherlands smoke pot as compared to teens in the United States.
February 10, 200719 yr Author The best argument in favor of legalization is the statistic that a lower percentage of teens in the Netherlands smoke pot as compared to teens in the United States. This goes along the lines with having a lower drinking age. It is statistically proven that if people use alcohol at a younger age, they don't do as many stupid things with it as adults. If it is started at a younger age, people learn to respect it and do it responsibly. im level 76 and IM NOT A NOOB 30- is a noob
February 10, 200719 yr Personally, I think it is a better alternative to tobacco because of not being able to be addicted(at least in 99% of cases). The reasons why it wouldn't be as good, is simple, it is illegal. In my opinion, it is safer for me to smoke marijuana than to drink, or smoke cigarettes. Pretty much sums up my opinion, not to mention marijuana actually affects you mentally, and you can mantain control even while completely blazed.
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