February 6, 200719 yr I was at a teach-in today, I will redo EVERYTHING on this post. Sorry guys, this was a 2 hours teach-in and I learned alot, alot more than I knew. So, wait for tomorrow, and it will me totally re-done EDIT: The only question I need answered is, what was the problem with the goverment originally (both Uganda and Sudan) that made the Rebels and such turn against them, and then the government go after the Rebels and such? So, what was wrong with the government? Me doing staff.
February 6, 200719 yr Author I was at a teach-in today, I will redo EVERYTHING on this post. Sorry guys, this was a 2 hours teach-in and I learned alot, alot more than I knew. So, wait for tomorrow, and it will me totally re-done Good, than you can answer my questions about the crisis in 'Uganda'. Yes, ok, let me answer your question quickly. There is a diffrent rebal movement going on in sudan. Sudan is acutally something like Iraq, they electe people to goverment that would favor what they would want them to do. Acutally it started with Britin, who took control, and then let them go during World War 2, it basically all started like this. For example.. There is 1,000 colts fans(good) There are 10 Bears fans(bad) The bears want to take over the colts fans. What they do is they elect themselfs to inside of the colts, and start turning other people into bears fans. That's a bad example, but I hope it works. People say that the Sudan has nothing that people want. Acutally their is quite a lot of stock invested in them. China supplys Helicopters to the 'good' side. Also russia supplys military wepons. They have huge investments in oil, although it was all started by Canada. OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, and with Sudan, a good thing is, there isn't children abdutions, for soilders that is. Young girls are taken for rape, which is bad, but there are not child soilderns, like there is in Uganda. Uganda: Uganda is bascially self explaitory if you watch the Video. I asked about this, becuase I was very confused, they said that acutally, the name slipped my mind of the Sudan rebal force, is acutally aganist the Ugandin force. Well, thats about the most I have ever typed I DONT CARE IF I AM HORRIBLE AT SPELLING, JUST LIVE WITH IT :lol:
February 6, 200719 yr So, this is what I've concluded, tell me if I'm wrong: Sudan: The Janjaweed work for the government and fight against 'black' rebel groups like the SLA, SLM, and JEM. They figure they must kill all the 'black' people so they will not take over. Uganda: The government is bad, dictator maybe? So rebels fight against it by abducting children to make an army to abduct more children and eventually take over? Their objective is confusing, since they're killing their own people. They are both two different events, and the movie should advertise itself against Uganda not Sudan. They never went to Sudan. Now, what's up with Kenya? Me doing staff.
February 6, 200719 yr Author So, this is what I've concluded, tell me if I'm wrong: Sudan: The Janjaweed work for the government and fight against 'black' rebel groups like the SLA, SLM, and JEM. They figure they must kill all the 'black' people so they will not take over. Uganda: The government is bad, dictator maybe? So rebels fight against it by abducting children to make an army to abduct more children and eventually take over? Their objective is confusing, since they're killing their own people. They are both two different events, and the movie should advertise itself against Uganda not Sudan. They never went to Sudan. Now, what's up with Kenya? They just stopped in Kenya I think. I may change my title to stop genocide in sudan AND uganda. BTW THEY ARE ALL ISLAMIC. Basically you got it right, don't quote me on that.
February 6, 200719 yr So, this is what I've concluded, tell me if I'm wrong: Sudan: The Janjaweed work for the government and fight against 'black' rebel groups like the SLA, SLM, and JEM. They figure they must kill all the 'black' people so they will not take over. Uganda: The government is bad, dictator maybe? So rebels fight against it by abducting children to make an army to abduct more children and eventually take over? Their objective is confusing, since they're killing their own people. They are both two different events, and the movie should advertise itself against Uganda not Sudan. They never went to Sudan. Now, what's up with Kenya? They just stopped in Kenya I think. I may change my title to stop genocide in sudan AND uganda. BTW THEY ARE ALL ISLAMIC. Basically you got it right, don't quote me on that. The Rebel groups are Islamic? That makes it 10x more confusing. Then why are they killing all the blacks? They're tribes, so they're Animist. Me doing staff.
February 6, 200719 yr See what happens when you bring religion to tribals? Proud founder of the Myriad
February 6, 200719 yr See what happens when you bring religion to tribals? OMF.G...take religion out of this conversation. They are not Islamic, they may say that they are, but they arn't, Islam is a very peaceful religion and condemns all actions such as this...Your going way out of line and hurting your arguments by saying that. Keep_it_Real, that was a very ignorant comment; The Islamic religion has nothing to do with this genocide, Joseph and his rebels have made their own cult, not religion, terrible unique in it's own. Islam is not the same. ~ Clicky for the blog of No Cb Skils ~
February 6, 200719 yr See what happens when you bring religion to tribals? OMF.G...take religion out of this conversation. They are not Islamic, they may say that they are, but they arn't, Islam is a very peaceful religion and condemns all actions such as this...Your going way out of line and hurting your arguments by saying that. Eh, then why do you think they killed, kill, and are killing each other for? It's more than just some whacko named Joseph. It's always got more to do than a 'corrupt' goverment. Proud founder of the Myriad
February 6, 200719 yr See what happens when you bring religion to tribals? OMF.G...take religion out of this conversation. They are not Islamic, they may say that they are, but they arn't, Islam is a very peaceful religion and condemns all actions such as this...Your going way out of line and hurting your arguments by saying that. Eh, then why do you think they killed, kill, and are killing each other for? It's more than just some whacko named Joseph. It's always got more to do than a 'corrupt' goverment. Religion is just a frame behind which factions and dictators work in Africa. There are christians, muslims, orthodox, jews, natural religion... etc all over the continent. A dictator just picks the appropriate religion to his country, pretends to be a god-fearing fellow farmer, and turns his coat when he gets into power and absorbs the country out of money and oil; causing hundreds of thousands of deaths. The problem is, many african countries aren't truly democratic. Nobody will get into power unless they are mafioso or millionaires. Look at south africa, it's on a higher democratic level than some eastern european countries. They stopped apartheid. Their economy is rising, they have normal citizens in power. The only reason is because ordinary people in SA can actually get an education. In Sudan or Uganda, they are lucky if they get to stay alive with farming.
February 6, 200719 yr Author So, this is what I've concluded, tell me if I'm wrong: Sudan: The Janjaweed work for the government and fight against 'black' rebel groups like the SLA, SLM, and JEM. They figure they must kill all the 'black' people so they will not take over. Uganda: The government is bad, dictator maybe? So rebels fight against it by abducting children to make an army to abduct more children and eventually take over? Their objective is confusing, since they're killing their own people. They are both two different events, and the movie should advertise itself against Uganda not Sudan. They never went to Sudan. Now, what's up with Kenya? They just stopped in Kenya I think. I may change my title to stop genocide in sudan AND uganda. BTW THEY ARE ALL ISLAMIC. Basically you got it right, don't quote me on that. The Rebel groups are Islamic? That makes it 10x more confusing. Then why are they killing all the blacks? They're tribes, so they're Animist. Yes is is confusing, the rebals and the people getting attacked both are.
February 7, 200719 yr lets keep this post high on the list, it deserves the spot more than "yahoo or google?" 8-) Say what you mean and mean what you say because those that matter don't mind, and those that mind don't matter.
February 7, 200719 yr EDIT:: MUSLIM IN SUDAN The leader of Uganda LRA is very into Witchcrafttake religion out of it, seriously, your being very ignorant. Learn something about the religions before speaking, MUSLIM = ISLAM And Islam does not believe in any witchcraft, so that disproves your little theory. and Islam does not believe in killing, infact they believe in the full old testiment, all joseph is doing is using the lords name in vein (to kill) and claiming that he is right, ask any 'actual' Islamic (meaning educated) and they'll tell you that their religion has nothing to do with Joseph at all, it is the mislead Islamic people that kill in God's name. Again, just by your previous post you showed that you know nothing about that part of the argument. I recommend leaving religion out or the subject will change completely to 'is Islam good or bad' and I'll tell you that you'll continue to look like an idiot as you wont be able to find any credible facts, while I'll defend the religion. Here's a resource I would like you to look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim#Oth ... for_Muslim Here's how things are: Islam != Bad Joseph == bad (!= means 'not equal to' and == means 'equal to' ...just some Java...) ~ Clicky for the blog of No Cb Skils ~
February 7, 200719 yr this is such a cool post. not that what is happening is cool. Say what you mean and mean what you say because those that matter don't mind, and those that mind don't matter.
February 8, 200719 yr Author EDIT:: MUSLIM IN SUDAN The leader of Uganda LRA is very into Witchcrafttake religion out of it, seriously, your being very ignorant. Learn something about the religions before speaking, MUSLIM = ISLAM And Islam does not believe in any witchcraft, so that disproves your little theory. and Islam does not believe in killing, infact they believe in the full old testiment, all joseph is doing is using the lords name in vein (to kill) and claiming that he is right, ask any 'actual' Islamic (meaning educated) and they'll tell you that their religion has nothing to do with Joseph at all, it is the mislead Islamic people that kill in God's name. Again, just by your previous post you showed that you know nothing about that part of the argument. I recommend leaving religion out or the subject will change completely to 'is Islam good or bad' and I'll tell you that you'll continue to look like an idiot as you wont be able to find any credible facts, while I'll defend the religion. Here's a resource I would like you to look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim#Oth ... for_Muslim Here's how things are: Islam != Bad Joseph == bad (!= means 'not equal to' and == means 'equal to' ...just some Java...) .... I am saying that religon SHOULD be taken out of it. In Sudan BOTH sides GOOD AND BAD are Muslim, so religon has nothing to do with, and skin color is about the same. In Uganda, BAD PEOPLE=WITCHCRAFT GOOD PEOPLE=MUSLIM. If that's what your question was.
February 8, 200719 yr Umm...OK, must have misinturpreted that :? ~ Clicky for the blog of No Cb Skils ~
February 8, 200719 yr From the pictures it doesn't look so much like a genocide (I think of the Armenian genocide by the Ottomans and the Holocaust by the Nazis when I think of genocide) but like a famine. I'll look into it more though.
February 8, 200719 yr From the pictures it doesn't look so much like a genocide (I think of the Armenian genocide by the Ottomans and the Holocaust by the Nazis when I think of genocide) but like a famine. I'll look into it more though.I'd say he uses thoes pics more as advertising to tell the truth :roll: ... But if I was to defend his putting up the pictures you could say that the deaths of all of these children's parents and the disappearences of these children is causing a famine in the rest of the population... But watch the video, that's a lot more accurate than his pictures ;) ~ Clicky for the blog of No Cb Skils ~
February 8, 200719 yr Hmm, I was at work yesterday. (First day on the job.) and I met this nice fellow from Sudan. I asked him as to how's Sudan these days. It's amazing that he said that it's nice there. He said that there are kidnappings, like the video mentioned, just not as much. Proud founder of the Myriad
February 8, 200719 yr ignorance is bliss i care about me and people who can benifit me im selfish but i dont care... it gets you further in life
February 8, 200719 yr ignorance is bliss i care about me and people who can benifit me im selfish but i dont care... it gets you further in lifeI'm selfish BUT dont care? I believe that would be "I'm selfish AND dont care"... And you come back and tell me that when you get a bit more educated, you'll learn something new after age 12, I promise :) Sorry, but idiots like this are the reason the world is the way it is today; chaotic. ~ Clicky for the blog of No Cb Skils ~
February 8, 200719 yr Author Hmm, I was at work yesterday. (First day on the job.) and I met this nice fellow from Sudan. I asked him as to how's Sudan these days. It's amazing that he said that it's nice there. He said that there are kidnappings, like the video mentioned, just not as much. Hmm, that doesn't sound right, plus, thats Uganda in the video. Sudan is very bad. He probley wasn't near the bad part. :-k
February 9, 200719 yr Hmm, I was at work yesterday. (First day on the job.) and I met this nice fellow from Sudan. I asked him as to how's Sudan these days. It's amazing that he said that it's nice there. He said that there are kidnappings, like the video mentioned, just not as much. Hmm, that doesn't sound right, plus, thats Uganda in the video. Sudan is very bad. He probley wasn't near the bad part. :-k The bad part? Wait, someones trying to overthrow a goverment and he's only stealing children from a certain side of the country? That makes no sense! Proud founder of the Myriad
February 9, 200719 yr Author Hmm, I was at work yesterday. (First day on the job.) and I met this nice fellow from Sudan. I asked him as to how's Sudan these days. It's amazing that he said that it's nice there. He said that there are kidnappings, like the video mentioned, just not as much. Hmm, that doesn't sound right, plus, thats Uganda in the video. Sudan is very bad. He probley wasn't near the bad part. :-k The bad part? Wait, someones trying to overthrow a goverment and he's only stealing children from a certain side of the country? That makes no sense! I was just throwing something out there. I am pretty sure it is pretty bad if 2million+ have been killed, unless that is normal for him :-s
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