February 10, 200719 yr This video really touched my heart and made emotion come out, I cried when Jacob talked about his brother, because earlier he was telling us how he never allows himself to cry. Another point is those children look so talented and so much potential, that it makes me sad looking at the yobs we have here in England who take everything for grant age. Saying that I realise now i do take life for grant age, seems so unfair how some people live and are born into this world with no opportunity. A friend to all is a friend to none.
February 10, 200719 yr ignorance is bliss i care about me and people who can benifit me im selfish but i dont care... it gets you further in life Maybe it does get you further in life, but so what- you came into this life with nothing and you will leave it with nothing. A friend to all is a friend to none.
February 10, 200719 yr Author This video really touched my heart and made emotion come out, I cried when Jacob talked about his brother, because earlier he was telling us how he never allows himself to cry. Another point is those children look so talented and so much potential, that it makes me sad looking at the yobs we have here in England who take everything for grant age. Saying that I realise now i do take life for grant age, seems so unfair how some people live and are born into this world with no opportunity. You basically said the words that I wanted to say at the beggning post=)
February 10, 200719 yr I hope you know when those kids are older they're going to want to kill us Your name is "bet you fail", and you're starting a business with your mom? I'm not even going to touch that.....
February 10, 200719 yr I think that people are really misunderstanding the facts here, including the OP. There are three (possibly more) completely different issues here that are being discussed, and I have seen many instances where the three are, intentionally and unintentionally, being combined. 1. The Second Sudanese Civil War which "officially" took place in Southern Sudan from 1983 until the peace treaty was signed in 2005, whereby the Southern Sudan rebels and the Sudan government agreed to: -=The south will have autonomy for six years, followed by a referendum on secession. -=Both sides of the conflict will merge their armed forces into a 39,000-strong force after six years, if the secession referendum should turn out negative. -=Income from oilfields is to be shared 50 to 50. -=Jobs are to be split according to varying ratios (central administration: 70 to 30, Abyei/Blue Nile State/Nuba mountains: 55 to 45, both in favour of the government). -=Islamic law is to remain in the north, while continued use of the sharia in the south is to be decided by the elected assembly. This conflict was essentially a continuation of the First Sudanese Civil War which occured from 1955 to 1972. There were approximately 1.9 million civilians killed in this war and an estimated 4 million civilians displaced in the Second Sudanese Civil War. This is, reportedly, the most civilian deaths since WWII. 2. The conflict between Lord's Resistance Army and the Ugandan government, led by Joseph Kony, where the LRA was until 2006 engaged in a violent campaign to establish a theocratic government in Uganda. (Kony's "religion" reportedly a mesh of several different beliefs, including Christian, Islam and Witchcraft). In 2005, the ICC issued arrest warrants for several leaders of the LRA for crimes against humanity and war crimes, including murder, sexual assault, sexual slavery, and enlisting of children as combatants. In August 2006, the LRA and Ugandan government declared a unilateral cease-fire. 3. The Darfur Conflict, which has, in reality, been ongoing since the 1970s, but was reignited in February 2003 (some say as early as June 2001, however). The primary combatants in this conflict are the rebel JEM, SLA and recently numerous Darfur Arab group against the Sudanese Armed Forces and the Sudanese government backed Janjaweed militias. The Janjaweed have been accused of systematically targeting the Fur, Zaghawa, and Massaleit ethnic groups in Darfur, killing men, women and children and burning villages. An estimated 450,000 have been the victims of the genocidal attacks with an estimated 2.5 million more displaced. Darfur is in the western/northwestern part of Sudan and all involved parties are Muslim. Those are the facts. If you are willing to get behind this movement to stop the atrocities in Darfur, you should at least know the related facts. Watching a video, while emotional, will likely not give you all of the facts and will not enable you to successfully convey the reality of the situation to curious parties. Believe it or not, resources like Wikipedia (which I used as a source for my information here), while not always totally accurate, have a pretty good system in place for citing sources and letting the user know what type of article they are veiwing and whether it may be biased or not. Yes, the atrocities are real and yes, they are horrific and yes, something needs to be done. Even if it means invading the Sudan, it needs to be stopped. Something is being done, however, and it has been for a few years now. The problem with diplomacy is that it involves bureaucracy, and that takes time. While it would be much easier for the President of the US to send in 25,000 Marines (which he technically does not need the approval of Congress to deploy) and wipe out these Janjaweed, I would imagine, that while diplomatic means appear to be working (including plans for a 17,300 man UN peacekeeping force to supplement the 7,000 man AU force currently there), then that will be the first method used. The trajedy is that people are still dying while the bureaucrats talk.
February 11, 200719 yr I saw Hotel Rwanda, one of my favorites. Saw Hotel Rwanda--Now one of my Favorite movies Really?
February 11, 200719 yr Author I am going to start a book called 'Problem from Hell' it looks pretty good.
February 13, 200719 yr Author I wrote to Oprah, and got a response... Sudan here I come?? :thumbsup: :ohnoes:
February 13, 200719 yr I think they need to take care of their own problem. If they are being slaughtered then they have nothing to lose by stepping up to the plate. We don't need to go in there and lose our own men and women. I'm not going to say anything else since I'm not a nice person. Rose Are you being serious? I think it's kinda hard to step up to the plate if you get killed, I really don't think I would. So what your saying is if your people, your friends, family, were being slaughtered around you, and you knew eventually your time would come, you wouldn't take a stand? Kind of hard to step up to the plate if you get killed? Well first of all, if your talking about what I said, then that means they already stepped up. Second of all if you aren't, then are you not going to die eventually to the same thing? I would NOT for a SECOND think about fighting, they are too powerfull. It would turn into another rebal movement if they started to get more people to join the "good" force. So why not get togethor a force? If I lived there and I thought we needed to take a stand then that pretty much guarantee someone else does too. I bet thousands of people think they need to take a stand, they just don't communicate. You are a MORON becuase YOU would be CONDEMNING yourself to DEATH by NOT stepping up. Sure you could die by stepping up. Hell, you probably would die. But they DO stand a chance. And if some people fight back, others will too. And eventually the citizens, the ones who were being killed daily, will defeat the rebels.
February 14, 200719 yr I think they need to take care of their own problem. If they are being slaughtered then they have nothing to lose by stepping up to the plate. We don't need to go in there and lose our own men and women. I'm not going to say anything else since I'm not a nice person. Rose Are you being serious? I think it's kinda hard to step up to the plate if you get killed, I really don't think I would. So what your saying is if your people, your friends, family, were being slaughtered around you, and you knew eventually your time would come, you wouldn't take a stand? Kind of hard to step up to the plate if you get killed? Well first of all, if your talking about what I said, then that means they already stepped up. Second of all if you aren't, then are you not going to die eventually to the same thing? I would NOT for a SECOND think about fighting, they are too powerfull. It would turn into another rebal movement if they started to get more people to join the "good" force. So why not get togethor a force? If I lived there and I thought we needed to take a stand then that pretty much guarantee someone else does too. I bet thousands of people think they need to take a stand, they just don't communicate. You are a MORON becuase YOU would be CONDEMNING yourself to DEATH by NOT stepping up. Sure you could die by stepping up. Hell, you probably would die. But they DO stand a chance. And if some people fight back, others will too. And eventually the citizens, the ones who were being killed daily, will defeat the rebels. in the end, you would most likely die. :? Say what you mean and mean what you say because those that matter don't mind, and those that mind don't matter.
February 14, 200719 yr "I am William Wallace. And I see a whole army of my countrymen, here in defiance of tyranny! You have come to fight as free men. And free man you are! What will you do without freedom? Will you fight?" "Two thousand against ten?" - the veteran shouted. "No! We will run - and live!" "Yes!" Wallace shouted back. "Fight and you may die. Run and you will live at least awhile. And dying in your bed many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one cahnce, to come back here as young men and tell our enemies that they may take our lives but they will never take our freedom!"
February 15, 200719 yr Honestly, I don't see why you care... They're just a bunch of chemicals... Do you care that much about geese droppings in Kansas? Because they're made of about the same things. Life is pointless, and the only reason why everyone isn't depressed is because evolution is so selfish that it decided to program a reason to live into our brains... Losers...Are you blind or ignoring me on purpose?Even though I sometimes side with religious people in some debates, I no longer consider myself religious.
February 15, 200719 yr Honestly, I don't see why you care... They're just a bunch of chemicals... Do you care that much about geese droppings in Kansas? Because they're made of about the same things. Life is pointless, and the only reason why everyone isn't depressed is because evolution is so selfish that it decided to program a reason to live into our brains... Huh?? Honestly, I think you posted in the wrong thread.........
February 15, 200719 yr Honestly, I don't see why you care... They're just a bunch of chemicals... Do you care that much about geese droppings in Kansas? Because they're made of about the same things. Life is pointless, and the only reason why everyone isn't depressed is because evolution is so selfish that it decided to program a reason to live into our brains... hmmm, randommmmmm...... :shame: Say what you mean and mean what you say because those that matter don't mind, and those that mind don't matter.
February 15, 200719 yr Honestly, I don't see why you care... They're just a bunch of chemicals... Do you care that much about geese droppings in Kansas? Because they're made of about the same things. Life is pointless, and the only reason why everyone isn't depressed is because evolution is so selfish that it decided to program a reason to live into our brains... just because you have no life doesn't mean that the rest of us don't...life is only as fun as you make it...maybe you should try having more fun in life, life is definately not pointless...
February 18, 200719 yr Author Bump. I can't belive this thread has slown down SOOOO much. Someone PLEASE start up a topic.
February 18, 200719 yr I did. I quoted the Braveheart speech because what he said to those men is directly applicable to the people being killed in this situation. That is why I would support arming the people being murdered. They need the chance to win their freedom the same way the Western Culture nations had to fight to win their own freedoms.
February 19, 200719 yr Author I have changed my title, becuase it seems like no one cares about this. I mean it would be nice if you started up a convo. I have tired. Well, here goes ONE last shot. What do you think the goverment should do?
February 19, 200719 yr I have changed my title, becuase it seems like no one cares about this. I mean it would be nice if you started up a convo. I have tired. Well, here goes ONE last shot. Just let it die already, you aren't supposed to bump topics in OT.
February 19, 200719 yr Just let it die already, you aren't supposed to bump topics in OT. I don't think this topic should die.
February 19, 200719 yr I'm reading this amazing book about the war in Sierra Leone, and what happened there in the early 90's is similar to Uganda, with the Rebels and child soldiers and such. It's called "A Long Way Gone' by Ishmael Beah. Me doing staff.
February 19, 200719 yr Author I'm reading this amazing book about the war in Sierra Leone, and what happened there in the early 90's is similar to Uganda, with the Rebels and child soldiers and such. It's called "A Long Way Gone' by Ishmael Beah. Wait, How long is it? I am reading a few books for a paper. "Problem from Hell' 'Machtee Season' Machtee season is ok, becuase the killers of Rwanda speak. I think that it is pretty cool, well in a bad way. They talked about how killing became so natural, it didn't even matter if they did it. They said they acutally sometimes cut off peopels legs and arms, just to let them die slowly. At the end of the day; they thought they did nothing wrong. Again, let me rephrase my question "What do you think the goverment should do??"
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